Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[CT Chia]

Sorry, my mistake. With the suspicion I had on him I thought I also voted.

Vote Pierce

For time zone at this point, going to 1000AD really doesnt make sense imo, and following it blindly based on the game doesn't seem right (what if no one here rememebered that's where the Chrono Doll was? Flavor in mafia isn't supposed to determine that much). Pierce's decision on the time play seems largely different than yesterday, and if we want to do the same again, almost seems like we should avoid the first pick.

I'm torn between picking Dark or Middle Ages and staying in Pre Historic. Going to Dark or Middle can help us find the Doll, but it's a shot in the dark esp if it's in the future with that being blocked off. However afaik nothing bad happened to us here in the Pre Historic times so it might be beneficial to stay here for the time being until we can learn more about everything. I'm leaning towards Pre Historic for now, just not ready to lay my vote down yet.

And the fact that Adum was the only one "attacked" feels odd. It is VERY BENEFICIAL for anyone else who got targeted at night to say so as if we find out that is the case, then it essentially clears Adum.

 

[Pierce7d]

YesterDay, we had no reason for any destination, nor did we have a reason to trust any particular time zone. ToDay we are hunting for a Chrono Doll, which can bring Shadowlink back to life.

Also, nothing "bad" happened to us in 1000 A.D. either. However, I've already stated that I'm fine with going somewhere else, but I wasn't taking my chances with Rajam at l-2. Until the new suspicion rose upon me, it looked pretty solidly like a Rajam lynch, considering he was at l-2 and that was before I even put my vote down.

I don't see how you could NOT want to force a claim on Rajam. Half of town thinks he's scummy. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it you Chibo who thought at first though I was scummy for wanting the town to back my vote, and now I'm scummy for sensing a general backing, but not explicitly saying?

How about this, who here DOESN'T want to go to 1000 A.D.?

I want Rajam gone first, but Chibo continues to seem more suspicious to me. I'm glad he's actually scumhunting though, now let's see if he'll redirect this toward actual scum instead of me.

 

[Pierce7d]

unvote
vote: Rajam

 

[CT Chia]

point out specific scumtells from rajam to me. hes playing more dumb townie imo, this is his first game right? i had my vote on him a while back and was iffy on him, and I would have found some of his things scummy from a normal player (used to playing in dgames and LoD), but lets face it, from someone like him these odd posting habits are more signs of inexperience imo. im not really against a claim per se with how close he is to getting canned, but providing its not a obvious BS claim, I'm against the lynch of him and I won't hammer or vote.

how does the chrono doll change where we go? it hardly does. we only have one lead, which is that chrono died in 1000AD. Because of this, I find it highly unlikely that the doll could be there. Could it? Yea, i suppose it could, but I'm ready to believe that it's somewhere else. It could also be in the future, but we cant go there. also, what if like scum chooses where to put it? dmg kind of announced to the world that he was gonna block the future yesterday, so they could have put it there to stall us.

we don't know 1000AD is safe, we haven't experienced a night there yet.

What I think is best that we spend one more night here (since everything seemed t ogo more or less fine last night), then travel to the future tomorrow. and DMG, don't block the future lol. Trust me on this one.

Travel: Pre-Historic

 

[DMG]

My only thing against 1000 AD is that people seem to assume that the doll will be there based on flavor. It's just as likely at this point, unless something is revealed, that the doll could be somewhere else. That, and we have already been to that period so I'm not sure what we would gain info wise from going back.

If we are right, and the doll is there, we gain the doll but nothing new. If we are wrong, we are in the same period as before with nothing new.

Now if it is in another time period, and we guess right, we get the doll and see what the new period brings. If we guess wrong, we don't get the doll but we learn some more.

Basically I'm in favor, but cautious, of traveling to other time periods. I don't think I like 600 AD, but how do you guys feel?

 

[DMG]

Ah, read your post Chibo. Why do we need to go to the Future? Are you someone you believe will benefit from going there based on flavor? If you are, then speak up.

Actually whoever is Robo, claim yourself. This could be very important for town. Yes I am dead serious, whoever is Robo go ahead and make a claim. I will explain later.

 

[CT Chia]

i wouldnt say claim then explain lol, u should prob explain cause thats a pretty brash thing to do. rolefishing is not good.

the way i see it is that the doll is either in future, middle ages, or the dark ages (with a possibility of present i personally doubt it). so with those 3, if the scum have any control of where it goes (unless its just randomly decided by the mod perhaps?) then it would be smart for them to put it there since were barred from voting there today. but theres another option, what if SL chooses where to put the doll? as a sign he could have put it where he voted for day 1, which was future right? so in my eyes, theres an equal chance of future middle or dark, but considering these things, i personally think its the future, which is where i would want to visit next. however, since we can not go there yet, i would think its best to stay where we are since nothing bad happened last night to our knowledge.

 

[CT Chia]

btw im against robo claiming, not trying to cause confusion from the first line of my last post

 

[DMG]

If you are not Robo, who are you and why do you want to go to the Future so bad? You voted for that period Day 1, before those reasons you listed were even a part of the game yet.

Give me a reason you feel that we should go to the Future, aside from those reasons listed. Why did you want to go there Day 1? If you believe your character will benefit from that time zone based on Flavor, but you aren't Robo, then I am curious who you are and why you feel that way.

 

[CT Chia]

Since when do I want to go to the future so bad? I already explained my reasons for voting there Day 1 like a million times. Your rolefishing is crazy bad, and it hurts more knowing that it's coming from a confirmed townie.

I have listed every reason for voting where I did. Also people need to not be so focused on getting any ability boosts if they have them. There's a whole town here ready to reap the advantages from whatever time period I assume. Look at ShadowLink, he was Chrono. Why would Chrono want to go to the future? And yet he voted it asap.

You're set on the idea that I'm voting on time periods based on my own gain which is completely wrong.

 

[DMG]

What do we have to gain from going there over a different timezone?

 

[CT Chia]

I don't even understand your last question.

 

[Rajam]

Vote: adumbrodeus



That's nothing too unusual, there could be a role-blocker who got lucky and blocked the mafia killer, or there was a doc who protected the victim the mafia chose, just going by more common roles.

Also: LOL at the lynch. That's kinda hilarious, but also good since we got 2 indies (despite unintentionally).

.joel, you said later that you voted for adumbrodeus because you keep the suspicious on him from day 1. Would you detail this a little more? I haven't really checked adumbrodeus, so I'd like to see what are some suspicious aspects of him

About time zones... (avoiding all flavor)

Did anyone notice anything wrong with this time period? Do people believe it's safer to stay in pre-historic if we believe nothing wrong happened, or do we travel to do things like find the Chrono doll?

We shouldn't stay here. The doll hasn't been found, and reviving Chrono is important. Also, OS Titles suggest: Find Lavos, and Lavos is hiding (Perhaps that means Lavos isn't in this Period?). Chibo, idk what you mean when you suggest there is something wrong with this Time Period, maybe this? (The doll isn't here and OS Title says Lavos is hiding?)

@Chibo

To be honest, this seems safe so far, and to be honest, it occurred to me that the person who was to be lynched gains protection in this period. I do think we should travel though, because Chrono will have super important information. Also, we're not going to lynch him again, so he's VERY dangerous for the independants. I'm actually really mad I lead the lynch on a person with anti-kill ability, but kinda upset that he decided to drop from the game, because it's likely he would have claimed before letting us -2 town. Fortunately, we only -1ed town, and hit two independents. Also fortunate that the player we killed can be resurrected.

I'm in favor of seeking out the Doll.

What happened at the end of day 1 + night 1 was very lucky given the circumstances. SL played bad; we could've easily lost three town members so far. At least we know Chrono is an anti-kill town (question: does that mean he can't be killed by Mafia right?), and if SL is going to be replaced (and even if not), reviving Chrono is a priority along with scum-hunting. I'm not so sure about going back to present anymore, and I'd like to change my time suggestion. I haven't checked still what times have been people voting for, but I think it's either 12000 BC or 600 AD, just for the sake of going to a new era, gather more info, and also because I think that the doll being in Present is flavor.

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I also don't like DMG asking Robo to claim himself. What would you tell him anyways? I don't think is wise to point out to Mafia who is who, specially since we can't prove our roles anyways

My personal suspicious list is Pierce (lol I'm still with the EoT thing from day 1), Shaya (not voting at all in day 1 seems to me an anti-scum-hunting attitude more than cautious town) and Edreeses (just bad feeling, I currently don't have an specific thing to point out). I also think DMG is town, but I'll try to do not convince myself 100% of that, opening a small suspicious window is wiser I guess.

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Too tired by now, I was all day out. I'll continue with the post checking tomorrow

 

[Red Arremer]

.joel, you said later that you voted for adumbrodeus because you keep the suspicious on him from day 1. Would you detail this a little more? I haven't really checked adumbrodeus, so I'd like to see what are some suspicious aspects of him

No, Rajam, I'm NOT going to explain my suspicions on him in every single post I make. I have explained this NUMEROUS times, including the huge discussion I had with him on Day 1, and the talk I had with Pierce yesterday (real time), so if you want to read my reasons, read my god**** posts. I'm really tired of getting ignored like I wouldn't explain my points at all.

As for the Chrono Doll:
Yes, we are going by flavor here, HOWEVER, it's the only lead we have. Of course it can be anywhere in any time, but the doll being in 1000 AD is just as likely, so going back there makes just as much sense.

 

[Red Arremer]

Also, to add into the last paragraph:
I think that there are roles that have the ability to find the doll and/or revive Chrono once it's found.

 

[CT Chia]

its not even a lead...

a lead would be all the things i mentioned

 

[EdreesesPieces]

IN CHRONO TRIGGER, YOU CAN COLLECT THE CRONO DOLL IN 1000 AD EVEN BEFORE CHRONO DIES. TO ME THIS SUGGSTS ITS NOT IN 1000D BECAUSE WE ALREADY WENT THERE AND WE DIDN"T A CHRONO DOLL. HENCE I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK SOEMWHERE ELSE

Just wanted to state that solidly so nobody misses it. Flavor to me, suggests the Chrono Doll ISN"T in 1000AD, and even if it is, we apparantly don't know how to get it so we might miss it anway, so I'm totally against going to 1000D just for the sake of getting the doll, since I don't think it will be there.

If you go by flavor, u can get the chrono doll in 1000 AD before chrono dies. Hence it's not in 1000 AD since we didn't get it.

If you don't go by flavor, there is no reason to search 1000AD for the chrono doll versus other time periods.

Hence I'm for going to a time period we haven't been to. 600 AD or 12000 BC. Anyone on board with this logic?

Anyway more thoughts on some players:

Pierce and Joel - I get the feeling either both are town or both are mafia. Most likely both town at this point, but they are playing a similar type of game - very emotional and driving of their points. This is in contrast to Joels play last game where he remained aloof most game, probably as to not arise anyone's anger.

I'm basically looking for those "aloof" players who don't have that emotional drive in their scumhunting. the only exception is DMG because of his proved claim. The people I consider possible plays for the day are Rajam, Shaya, and Chibo, but most likely I'd just rather stick to Rajam. dude isn't contributing anything, he's not going to help town either way so I think it's best we take our chances on him being mafia since most agree. Is there anyone that feels there is a good reason NOT to lynch Rajam? Speak please, other it will be assumed you had no problem lynching him, so if you have a town read on Rajam post and explain yourself

I know Pierce has good things to say about me as a townie, and while as I posted and Chibo supported me on, I am suspicious of his hasty vote on 1000AD. Despite this I get really good town feelings on Pierce, and I'm not afraid to admit it even though he's saying the same about me, so go ahead and note that we both have good reads on each other, I'm confident in my read and it'll only show good things should either of our identities be revealed through either death or any other means. (this is in response to shaya's note that we have some "sort of possible connection"

I think it'll help you guys to take alook at FF6 mafia and Shaya's play. Dude is playing the exact same way, and he was town last game. I get weird vibes from his blending skills and his patterns, but there's a good chance he's town and that's just his posting style, because that's what happened last time. However Shaya, I feel like you are not reading everything that is going on. You missed OS's post about the doll being hidden, and you claim I voted shadowlink early - but you fail to mention I was one of the view against bangwagoning Shadowlink despite suspicions towards the end of Day 1, and he turned out to be town.

BTW DMG, mafia might fake claim to be Robo. Not sure if asking Robo to claim is beneficial to town. We don't want mafia to get any more info than they have. We want them to be completely in the dark when making any night kills, as to decrease the chances of them killing stronger/useful town rules and increases the chances of them being forced into random kills. That's the strategy for town, since that's more or less what town has to do the first couple of days' lynches.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

As I read Chibo's last few posts I feel more positive about him. Showing a lot more caution on the time vote, starting to scumhunt better. Perhaps you were indeed in a slump.

Also, I can understand some of joel's suspicions on adumb. I am still neutral on adumb, I'm having difficulty understanding how to take his claims on being attacked and the voteblocked fallout. I think it will all clear up the next day though, so I will take a sit and wait approach on him. He has slightly improved his scumhunting from day 1 though.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Actually, I am kind of in favor of Chibo's idea that we should stay in 65 mil BC. I think if Mafia doesn't get a night kill again here, we gain serious information on what time periods do , and heck even avoid any chances of night kill at all?! That actually seems tooooo easy..so maybe not. Food for thought as I decide on what to vote for.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Overswarm can you aswer this - was the chrono doll hidden when the game started or was it hidden after shadowlink's death? If you can't answer, just state you can't answer. Thank you.

 

[Red Arremer]

@Edrees:
I will pick up the line I posted earlier on this page:
It is possible that finding the Chrono Doll is a NIGHTSKILL. I'm not saying that this IS the case, HOWEVER, we must consider the possibility. You have to keep in mind that Night 1 was pre-historic and NOT 1000 AD, which means that IF someone is able to find the doll in the night, they were NOT able to.

 

[Shaya]

If that's the case .joel, scoping out for the person is very dangerous for town.

Edrees, as I said, Rajam's best defence may be that he has no one defending him at all. He is still a likely candidate for a lynch though. On another point, I did read that post - I just honestly must throw out tired/late night johns for it. And you not wanting to lynch SL is good, I did say "I think". My thoughts on a connection are you were one of the only people still saying "strong town reads" from Pierce. What are your thoughts of him suggesting you may be Lavos? (along with chibo and myself)

I may be convinced to go to 1000AD at this point.

 

[Pierce7d]

At this point, I doubt Ed is Mafia. I also don't think .joel is Mafia. Rajam is playing better, but I'm still uncomfortable with him in the game. I'm not sure about Chibo, but he seems more likely to be Mafia than anyone else atm. DMG, you're bad at playing town.

Also, WTF, Chibo calls me out on voting early, but then votes to stay here, which almost no one wants to do, and gives us the LEAST POSSIBLE CHANCE OF FINDING THE CHRONO DOLL. Then he claims he wants to go to the future next, which is reasonable, but still kinda random, and is shifting away from what has been the general consensus thus far (I was of the mindset that 600 A.D. was more popular). What the hell are you playing at!? To be honest, I was kinda starting to feel your play since I thought it was odd that no one was remotely suspicious of me, but now this feels a LOT like Mafia trying to distract us and lead us in a bad direction.

If I could lynch in order it would go:

Rajam
Chibo

Shaya
DMG

Edrees
.joel
Adum

Pierce

I wish Adum wouldn't have left his laptop cord at my house, because it's making him inactive and it's harder to get a better read on him. I like the way Edrees and .joel have been playing.

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, I do not support ROBO claiming, unless Raj is ROBO, and I would still like to force a claim on Raj. His play has improved, but obviously Mafia shifts playstyle when under pressure, and I'd rather NOT forget all the questionable things he's done. Noob or not, he's clearly intelligent, and his posts say some good things, but haven't help find any scum really, and hence I'm still suspicious. He frequently points out things already said, and does not post often. I don't see how anyone can question that it's dangerous to take him into LYLO.

 

[Red Arremer]

If that's the case .joel, scoping out for the person is very dangerous for town.

I'm not saying that we should try to find the person, as you said, it would be dangerous. But if the player who can find the doll is still alive, they most likely would use their ability to find it, anyway, so all we got to do is to find the right timezone.

 

[DMG]

The Robo claim is fine.

Also, here's how events occurred. We started in 1000 AD. Shadowlink, Omni, and Scamp were killed there BEFORE we came to this period. There was no night kill in 1000 AD, not Prehistoric. We've not had a night in Prehistoric yet. So the assumption that it's safe to stay here because there are no night kills might be inaccurate or mislead.

 

[Shaya]

Umm, I was under the impression we spent last night in prehistoric?

 

[DMG]

Nvm, says you travel there for Night and the following day. Kinda odd that you would travel before people are to be night killed/given potential buffs or debuffs, or maybe you travel to that period and the effects are noticed only the following day, but whatever.

There's no guarantee that this period is actually safe, but if people wanna stay a day here then sure I can back that.

 

[Pierce7d]

Time Travel occurs before night events DMG.

We spent Day 1 in 1000 A.D.
We spent Night 1 in Prehistoric
We spend Day 2 in Prehistoric
We'll spend night 2 where ever we vote to go.

 

[DMG]

Yeah that's kinda weird I guess. I would have whatever period you attend hold all events, and then you travel afterwards, but meh.

 

[Rajam]

question to everyone (specially to those who believe I'm scum): If I were Mafia, then I'm obviously not working alone, someone else has to be Mafia (and therefore my partner(s)). The question is: who do you believe is Mafia besides me? Who do you think I'm working with?

I ask this because I think most of you are proceeding in a wrong way trying to find individual Mafia members as if they were working alone. They're a team that works as a team, and that mean we should focus on player interactions rather than a single player like if that player is Mafia alone. Now, what are common scum strategies in this issue? I guess those strategies are intelligent/"invisible" bandwagon on Town, point out their partners as scum but in a weak way, that is, in a way that even so the accused player won't be lynched anyways, or because there is a more scummy player at the time, and finally just not scum-hunt each other. There is also the sacrifice strategy, but I guess in this game it won't happen. Why? In the last Mafia game (FF6?) the distribution with 15 players was: 2 indies, 3 mafia, 10 town. Now, in this game, there are 11 players, and 2 confirmed indies. I strongly suggest the distribution of players is 2 indies, 2 mafia, 7 town. I pointed before I thought there could be 3 or 4 mafia, but I had no idea there were indies, which change my thoughts on the distribution issue. Now, with 2 Mafia members, a sacrifice strategy is the most risky thing ever, and I think it's safe to discard that strategy

Please answer my first question of this post. If I'm Mafia, who else do you think is with me? Again, please focus more on player interactions, and try to discover Mafia as a team, not as individual working b themselves. I'll answer the questions addressed to me and addressed to everyone that are in previous posts, I'm not avoiding anything.

 

[Rajam]

Another question: ok, I'm a noob at Mafia games, and until now I've tried to follow OS advice and not leak any info about my role and habilities. I don't know though, what are some possible bad consequences if everyone claims their roles?

Possible Roles:
Chrono
Lavos
Marle
Lucca
Robo
Ayla
Magus
Masa
Mune
???
???

Masa and Mune: confirmed indies. I think it's safe to assume Lavos is Mafia, and the heroes are Town. I also have no idea who the last 2 roles could be. I also think it's safe to assume that there are not indies left, and even if Omni/Scamp revive somehow, we know they're indies and therefore shouldn't be a major problem. So, it would mean we're in a pure Mafia vs. Town war. Again, if everyone starts to claim their roles, what could be possible bad consequences for town? And yes, I suggest we actually start to claim our roles (and note: only roles, not habilities). If someone is highly against this idea, please I'd like to hear your reasons. I'm still learning and by the time I think revealing our roles is more benefitial for town than not, but I guess someone has a good reason for opposing this idea; I'd like to hear those reasons

 

[Rajam]

one ???: Frog

Who do you think is the last role?

 

[Pierce7d]

Raj, if you're Mafia, it's not at all far-fetched to guess that Shaya who initially pointed this out, is Mafia, or that Chibo, who is not targeting you, is Mafia. If Chibo were voting for you, then I'd actually consider you less likely to be Mafia. However this isn't the case, and at this point, I feel that if we were to let you go now, and you turned out to be Mafia, that's INFINITELY worse than lynching you now, and you turn out to be town.

Your behavior is kinda more town now, but that's not until you got severely called out, and furthermore, you weren't even the first person to propose this theory of you not working with part of a team. SHAYA was the first person to point that out. This adds on to my previous accusation that instead of bringing new material to the table for us to think about, you just fancily something that someone else already said.

You say that we're scumhunting wrong, but you yourself are new to Mafia. Additionally, you haven't yet suggested any "teams" of Mafia. You still are suspicious to me, and I personally want you out of the game. As I've said before, even if you are scum, I don't want you at LYLO.

Request Votecount

 

[Pierce7d]

What you are referring to is a mass roleclaim, and more information on this tactic can be found here:

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mass_Roleclaim

(Yes, I've been reading up)

However, I don't feel like we've a need for such a desperation tactic, especially this early in the game. Furthermore, in a game with this many flavor elements, including even a unique time travel feature, I don't think it's the best idea yet. I'm not going to completely discard the idea even though it's coming from a scummy source, but I'm against it for now. I'm not liking all this flavor talk emerging, especially when we've got so much going on right now. Seems like distraction tactics to me.

ALSO! Kinda scummy that you want to do a mass role-claim when I've already explicitly stated that I want to force a claim on you specifically. And ALSO, didn't Chibo explicitly go against this sentiment saying that he didn't want to force a claim on you, the most popular lynch target between day 1 AND 2? (Obviously not counting Chrono)

 

[Pierce7d]

Right now, I'm not into all this role-fishing. I want to force YOU specifically to claim, then decide whether we should lynch you or Chibo first. Then see where people stand from there. I'm glad you're talking now, because lynching you will give a lot of information with you suggesting such radical measures as mass role-claim, even if you flip town.

 

[Overswarm]

rajam (3) - edreesespieces, .joel, Pierce7D
Chibo (1) - DMG
Pierce7D (2)- Shaya, Chibo

Time periods
Present: 1000 A.D. - Pierce7D, .joel
Pre-historic: 65,000,000,000 B.C.- Chibo


Not voting:
Adumbrodeus
Rajam

A deadline is set for Monday, June 7th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Rajam]

I never wanted to vote someone as purely for bandwagoning (like DMG did); and I constantly asked town (and Omni answered. From last game and this one he played a leadership role for town; I had no idea he was independent - even though finding out he was masoned with Scamp makes some really small odd statements make sense) whether I should place a vote on DMG/SL to take it to l-1 because they'd be at l-2 when I would look back. I would have been SL's last vote if when I had refreshed Omni hadn't have done it himself.

I don't know what happened in the night. I don't like what you're saying with the second question either, perhaps you should tell us why you're implying I could night kill?
Asking questions on why things happened as they did for too long only results in going around in circles or be anti-town (because no one would want to say something that would indicate they're doctor/role-blocker).

? If I'm accusing you of being scum, I'm obviously implying you can night kill as well, I don't understand why would you ask that

And I'm still upset you didn't vote in day 1 at all. There was no need to bandwagon as you said, you could had always presented a new name on the table. Also if you suspected DMG/SL, I see no problem bandwagoning them as long as your motives are fine

Adumbrodeus claims he can't vote in this day. It's possible the same condition affected someone in day 1 as well. Scamp and Shaya didn't vote day 1. Sadly, no one claimed to have their vote option restricted, so there is no way to confirm this. What happened in day 1 anyways? It seems no one activated any hability at all, but it would be weird to have been in a day where nothing happened

A thing that bugs me a lot is why wasn't DMG the target of Mafia in night 1. Shouldn't have been him the number 1 target? Also, although I'm happy for it, it's really weird how a possible doctor/role blocker got it right and saved adumbrodeus from a night 1 kill. I'm still wondering who would target adumbrodeus as well... maybe .joel?

Finally, who the hell voted for staying in 65,000,000,000 again?? Chibo? The doll isn't here, and suggesting that Mafia couldn't kill because of this era is pure flavor. You just voted and didn't even waited for much oppinions on the issue. Putting the fact that the doll isn't here, contrasted to the flavor idea that we should remain here because Mafia can't kill... I think at this point, staying here is even worse than going to EoT. Retrieving Chrono's doll should be priority along with scum-hunting as well

 

[CT Chia]

rajam - u have no idea how bad I want this guy out of the game lol. especially with the ridiculous wtf wifom, some rolefishing, etc. the problem is that my thoughts on him havnt changed. I can't peg him as scum. if this was any skilled player, id get him out of here asap, but rajam? the way he talks and progression of things (like getting angry @ my time vote recently) makes me think he's town. I'm not writing him off yet, but I feel we can do better elsewhere.

dmg - rly has me thinking. I'm starting to doubt this whole confirmed townie business. he could easily have a lucca safeclaim, which semi matches his power. let's look @ things here... why would a townie have the power to straight up limit town stopping us from going places? doesn't lavos eat time? it almost seems like a power lavos' is more bound to have. this awful awful horrible rolefishing really has me worried about dmg wanting robo to claim asap. it seems to me like he wants to kill robo tonight before ppl r able to visit the future again. not rdy to vote for him yet, but my suspicion on him is largely increased.

glad to see edreese can see my logic and somewhat agree with me

 

[Rajam]

Also, I don't want to go back to present anymore. I guess the doll is just found by going to the right time; does someone has a strong suggestion that it is not that way?. I'd like to go to 600 AD or 12,000 BC, but is anyone else supporting me? I guess not since I'm the scummiest player by the time ._. I don't want to go to EoT either...