Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Rajam]

@ Pierce, post 800:

I don't like that at all. Are you saying that you're playing by instinct? Your instinct already deceived you when you voted to lynch SL day 1... You've also said that this is like your 2nd or 3rd time playing Mafia, so if we're to follow someone's instinct, why don't we follow .joel or Edreeses then, since they've tons of experience in Mafia games? I guess neither you or me highly suspect of any of them as Mafia anyways, so it should be safer... But of course not. You can't pretend to people support you just because, everyone needs to arrive to their own conclusions. Also btw, why do you want to lynch me, like... as fast as possible? What are your accusations, besides "Rajam looks scummy"? Please point specific things, I'd like to see what attitudes of me make me look seriously scummy, because I guess most if not all of them are justified by my noobness, like my stupid play at the beginning of day 1, and my rookie's questions and suggestions sometimes

Also I don't understand why do you want only me to make a claim. If you suspect of Chibo and Shaya too, shouldn't you pressure them as well to make claims? I don't want to point out my role to Mafia, even less my abilities. Anyways, I'll make a weak claim now:

claim: I'm one of the main 6 heroes

So basically I'm not Chrono, of course I deny to be Mafia or a bad guy of Chrono Trigger's story, and I'm not a random like Nu, Queen Zeal, Gaspar, etc.

I also want to propose again the idea to make claims. I don't care if this is game-breaking or doesn't follow the spirit of the game; I also suck at scum-hunting, so if Edreeses, joel or adum is Mafia I'm screwed since I can't find solid scummy attitudes on them. Also, based on what I've observed so far, it seems good guys are Town, and bad guys are Mafia; I'm willing to claim first, and if someone's else claim my role too, I'm willing to take the lynch now; you'll be able to lynch the fake next day later. So, again, what do you think?

Also I won't make more claims unless the claim idea is accepted; I won't even claim if I'm at l-1. If I'm lynched because of Pierce and if I prove to be town after my death, please lynch him too next day because he will prove to be as bad town player as me (the very reason why he wants to lynch me now), or he is Mafia, so it will be a win-win situation anyways

 

[CT Chia]

Just posting to remind everyone not to hammer before I post more again (I dont know the current votecount). I'm in class now and will read and post when I get to work.

I caught that claim though Rajam in your last post. Wtf thats not how you claim. You just essentially told us you have a PR without telling us who. The damage is already done.

What character are you?

 

[Rajam]

Not making more claims until everyone agrees on the massive claim idea

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Uh, even if he's one of the 6 main heroes, it doesn't necessarily mean he has a power role, Chibo.

I'm liking Rajam's last post, he makes a good point on pressuring Chibo as well. I've done my part to try to pressure Shaya, but it seems Pierce is a little too focused on Rajam. Good town play involves pressuring as many players as possible. The fact that Rajam is telling us to go pressure other people a lot of us consider Mafia suspects is an improved sign.

However, it doesn't excuse a lot of your past scummy behavior, Rajam. Your play has improved bigtime from earlier and I'm trying to decide if it's because ur changing ur style to save ur *** from lynch (being mafia) or because you just plain can see how the game works now. I won't rule out the possibility that ur scum partners are PMing you what to say either. If I was mafia, and one of my mafia friends it was their FIRST game, I'd PM them ideas on what to say, what not to do ,etc as well...but it could also be that u just plained improved urself over time, which does happen. Your suggestion to mass claim is flat out terrible though..that would cause chaos here, bickering over who is actually what role, and whether we are lying or telling the truth, and would create a huge cloud preventing us from pressuring players into slips and posting tons of information - ie useful scumhunting.

Also I am not experienced. This is only my 2nd game and I'm playing another right now, making it 3 games total for me. lol. However, I adapted fast because I've played many many real life mafia games.

I'd like to see Pierce's response to Rajam's post above before I move Rajam to lynch -1. Until then, I have questions for Chibo.

Right now, my top suspects are

1) Shaya
2) Rajam
3) Chibo

However, I have a plethora of information on Rajam. I'd like to get the same on Shaya and Chibo through the day. Chibo can you answer some questions for me?

1) Who do you want to lynch the most?
2) Who would you lynch last at this point?

 

[Pierce7d]

LMAO

Ah, Raj, you make me smile.

First, I said I was going to trust my scumtell reads and instincts. That doesn't mean I'm playing the whole game off guesswork broski. Every single post where I've accused someone of something, I've used a logical path to justify my thoughts and accusations. Also, I'm also following Edrees lead as well, but I trust myself over everyone because I KNOW FOR A GUARANTEED UNALTERABLE FACT of my own town alignment. If Ed flips scum, and I trusted him, GGs Pierce. Now, granted, you have to trust someone sometimes, which is why I'm listening to Ed, and slowing things down. I'm suspicious of Shaya, but he's not scummy persay, just fishy, so I'm listening to him a bit too. Chibo I just want dead.

Mass Claim would not be good for us right now. It's a desperation tactic, and we're not even close to desperate yet. Assuming there's two Mafia and no more independents, we outnumber them 6 to 2, with a chance of reviving a townie. That's not too bad odds, all considering. Lynching me for leading a lynch on one of the weakest and more suspicious players in the game makes little sense. I could see if I randomly turned and decided that I hated .joel enough to put him as my primary lynch target, and he flipped town, now we're getting kinda suspicious.

I have every single intention of pushing Chibo to a claim. However, considering that you were already sitting at l-2 and have been a main suspect since day 1, I figure I'd get to you first. Seems like an awful waste of time to try and get everyone to put Chibo at l-1 to get him to claim, THEN put all the votes back on you.

Also, I know you don't want scum knowing your ability, but if you're scum, that's kind of a moot point, isn't it? If I were accused I'd DEFINITELY claim before I was able lynched, since my information will be revealed anyway, AND I'D BE DEAD. I wouldn't want town to lynch me, because I'm town. Refusing to claim when on the hot seat is actually not a good play for scum or town, but unfortunately it's really anti-town to just take a lynch without claiming, even if you are town. This type of play is why I keep you on the hotseat. If you were to have claimed and demonstrated the likeliness that you're not bluffing, I would have BEEN moved onto Chibo by now. As I've already stated, he's replaced you as my number one scum target. However, it's to the point where I'd rather lynch you, find you to be town, and draw information off of that, then not lynch you, and find you flip mafia.

Even Chibo realizes that if he's at L-1, and I'm holding my vote saying he better claim, he's going to claim. All this "I'm scared of mafia" garbage is just bad for town. Mafia can lynch any of us, we still gotta scum hunt. DMG was under suspicion, he claimed, and at least now, we know where he's standing.

To recap, I don't want to lynch you as fast as possible. That's impossible anyway needed 5 of 6 votes to lynch you before time-out. I want you to claim, to determine whether I should lynch you now, later, or miraculously not at all.

Hitting Shadowlink was a mediocre play. As much as I suspected him, it was day one. I would have to be a god to hit scum on day one of my first full game of Mafia. He DID act scummy though, and was working for Dairy Queen inventing all new types of flavor, so I don't feel bad about my play. It was a reasonable play, I was just wrong, it happens. Doesn't mean I start crying and stop scum hunting. It was day one, and I really didn't want to take him into LYLO like that. I also don't want to take YOU into LYLO.

Another thing is, even though I'm might be the most active in this game, I'm AT LEAST SCUM HUNTING. Perhaps, if I'm not hitting scum, it's because town isn't playing towning, or helping me scum hunt enough. You know how many times it's crossed my mind, that it's possible that you, Chibo, DMG, and Shaya are just the most suspicious townies I've ever had the curse to play with, and that I'm going to get to LYLO, and DMG is going to emerge as Lavos with Ed laughing at me as Magus, and we lose the game. I'd obviously be upset for this to go down this way, but if that's the case, I am not SOLELY responsible for the rest of town letting Mafia blend so smoothly, and no one else picking up scumtells, etc. I only have but one vote. I have only pointed out things that are available for all of us to see. I don't just snap my fingers and then, BAM, you're lynched (or you'd be dead already). It's a team effort. Blatently refusing to claim when you're at l-1 is NOT playing with the team. What if we NEED YOU? What if your ability is IMPORTANT TO TOWN, AND WE'RE ABOUT TO LYNCH YOU, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING?!?!!? This is what I'm talking about when I refer to BAD TOWN PLAY. It's not my fault if I want to lynch you, when you do things like refuse to claim at l-1 and then you turn out to be town.

Lynching an active scum hunter, because he lynched a HORRIBLE town player is not a win-win situation for town.

Also, if I suspect you to be scum, WHY OH WHY would I want EVERYONE to put their ability in the open for Lavos to potentially know all, when I could just kill you, and leave town at a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE? Refusing to claim and hence leaving town with less information to make an educated decision is anti-town behavior! Claiming that you don't want mafia to know your ability when you're ABOUT TO DIE is the STUPIDEST THING I'VE HEARD SO FAR.

Also, if we mass claim and you claim first, NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO CLAIM YOUR ROLE, UNLESS YOU'RE LYING, WHICH IS THE POINT OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY CLAIMING IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! There's no need to go through the roles of every other person in the game.

Other players, please let me know if I'm not making good sense. Also, please let me know if anyone else supports the idea of mass claiming. I, obviously, am against it.

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Rajam I wouldn't suggest it.

Since OS just was talking about how a lot of GMs accidentally leave ways for mass-claiming to reveal all scum in code Geass, I doubt he would leave a similar weakness in this game.


I will not let scum get their pick of PRs to attack without knowing for sure it will benefit us.



Rajam, in all probability, if you do not claim now, you will die very soon. I'd prefer we have a chance to evaluate you before you die. Nobody is gonna support a mass-claim, period.

rajam (3) - .joel, Pierce7D, DMG
Pierce7D (2)- Shaya, Chibo
Shaya (1) -edreesespieces,
Chibo (1) - Rajam

Time periods
Present: 1000 A.D. - Pierce7D, .joel
Pre-historic: 65,000,000,000 B.C.- Chibo


Not voting:
Adumbrodeus

A deadline is set for Monday, June 7th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.

Os if you confirmed I can't vote it's not fair to only let Shaya see it.

Oh and I'm not sure if I buy this lost power chord theory for Adumb, can u post more or give us some more lately? So for now

FoS: Adumbrodeus

If you don't believe I was there, ask pretty much any ZB member or anybody watching the livestream right before we packed up (me and Pierce marth ditto'd for the last match of the night). I also got more yoshi experience then I would ever want...


As for the fact that I actually left my cord there... well aren't you wondering why I have like zero activity outside of the thread? Come on, you know I'm generally extremely active. Also, put the same johns in the code geass game, and I'd be happy to link you guys to the mafiascum game I replaced out of because of this (explicitly stating this is the reason).

I'm down with that Ed, but I think it's more likely that their specific target was protected by either time, Doc, or some other factor. I highly, highly doubt we're totally immune to night kills here. That would be broken.

I'm wondering about the possibility that Mafia has soon other mechanic that's balancing that, and they're functioning based on something other then NK.


Ex. Culting, that's what really worries me honestly.


I'm hoping that it's they can only kill in certain time periods, but they've gotta have some hardcore protections in order to do it.





@Shaya: I'd like an answer to my question.


Here's another one, who are the top 3 scummiest players in the game at the moments in your opinion?

Who are the top 3 least scummy players at the moment in your opinion?

Yes, I recognize you did blurbs on players, but it's a little out of date.


I'm not liking your passivity, you're active, but I don't see any real pushes from you, you promised a case though, I have yet to see it.

 

[Pierce7d]

And this is why I frikken like Ed. Ed, even if you flip scum, we must play more mafia together later.

Raj, if you're blatantly going to refuse to claim no matter what, I'm probably going to want to lynch you today no matter what. As I stated before, I'd rather lynch Chibo first, but this is ridiculous.

I do agree that Rajam's heavily inconsistent play is making me pressure him exclusively. I'm going to back up my claim of wanting to lynch Chibo first. I didn't want to pull my vote off Raj before he claimed, but seeing as he says that's not going to happen, I'm simply going to move on, and do what I said I was going to do.

Unvote
Vote: Chibo

Request Votecount

 

[adumbrodeus]

At this point I'd like to say, even though the posts are good, try to condense them, Lord knows I've been guilty of this, but brevity is pro-town, cause there's less to sift through to get to the important points.



Also, Edreese and Pierce, I want them at lylo unless they show scumtells.

 

[Pierce7d]

Unvote
Vote: Shaya

I realized that since Ed is already trying to put pressure on Shaya, he's online now, and Adum is also suspicious, I'd just hop on this bandwagon first, and get to Chibo later.

 

[Pierce7d]

lol, I'm sorry Adum, I was getting a little frustrated at lack of progress.

 

[CT Chia]

Not at work yet and I haven't had a chance to catchup, just a quick thing I noticed while scrolling down the page..

MASS CLAIM RAJAM HAVE YOU GONE MAD!? wtf man, this has gotta be one of the worst ideas lol, mass claiming on day 2 with 8 people left and only one townie down in a flavor game lol

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Adumb - Alright, I believe you. to be honest I did believe you about it but just in case I had to comment about it, since you weren't posting much. I'm over it though. Good contribution there, i like ur play in that post, i'm glad you agree with me on Shaya's lack of push.

And thanks for the props Pierce, lol. Definitely looking forward to playing more mafia games with you too.

Joel - Would u prefer to pressure Chibo, Shaya, or someone else?

Here's Shaya's last post for a bit of dissecting

Okay.

Edrees, if we decided to vote Rajam I would. I believe he's useless for lylo even though for a bit at least, I believe he's town.

Do you mean to say you don't think he is scum, but he might be, but that even if he isn't he'd be useless later so you wouldn't oppose lynching him? if u don't think he's scum, I don't think u should vote for his lynch JUST because he wouldn't be good in lylo. you should focus ur lynch vote on someone who you think is really scummy, IMO. however, I do understand ur reasoning if you can't seem to find anyone particularly scummy, and have to settle on lynching players who'd just be bad in lylo. So do u mean to say that you can't seem to find anyone too scummy, so you don't mind voting Rajam since he'd be bad in lylo? is this a safe representation of your point? If not I'd appreciate clarification, thanks.

Pierce asked me to vote for him Edrees, even though I've kept my vote on him because I have been putting pressure on him.
Now when it comes to Chibo, Rajam points out something. Chibo indeed voted me weakly day 1 and that really really pissed me off, I -so- would have wanted to lynch him day 1 over SL. He's placed a vote on Pierce after me and said he forgot to after his original "I would be fine too blah". Yet again Chibo is annoying me because he hasn't really said anything about Pierce at all, just threw a weak vote on top. I've been building a case/suspicions of Pierce, which should at least stop people saying "hes a perfect towny"; anyone saying that perplexes me.

Yes, fair enough. This is agreeable.

You can vote rajam, as can I. I can hardly put the words "suspicious" or "potential scum" on him any more though, I really can't. I would back a lynch for lylo purposes though, or perhaps he would flip scum, he isn't completely clear.

Like I said, I can understand if u'd vote for him, even when u think he's probably not scum, because you think he'd be useless in lylo. However, I can only agree with this IF YOU do not find anyone else scummy at all. You just stated twice that you don't think rajam is scummy, just that you'd throw in ur vote in support of his lynch if that's what town wants, because he wouldn't be useful in lylo. I say, why not try to convince the rest of us why we are wrong about Rajam being scummy, and point out someone else who is acting scummier, so you don't have to "settle" like this?

I originally was satisfied with that post, but something about it doesn't sit with me now.

 

[Overswarm]

rajam (2) - .joel, DMG
Pierce7D (2)- Shaya, Chibo
Shaya (1) -edreesespieces, Pierce7D,
Chibo (1) - Rajam

Time periods
Present: 1000 A.D. - Pierce7D, .joel
Pre-historic: 65,000,000,000 B.C.- Chibo


Not voting:
Adumbrodeus

A deadline is set for Monday, June 7th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Pierce7d]

Seriously OS, read through your ****

Raj is clearly at two votes.

 

[Rajam]

ok I take away my proposal of the massive claim. I'll also claim if I'm left at l-1, because I guess Pierce is right, I don't want to be the useless town and even less the useful-for-mafia town lol. Just be careful to do not leave me at l-1 with the current Time votation; if I'm left at l-1, Mafia could take the last vote and at the same time, vote for Pre-historic for going to EoT. Even if that would unmask a Mafia member, there could be a chance that Mafia is willing to take that shot. I'm still wanting to go to 12,000 BC or 600 AD, but if there is more people agreeing on going to present, I'll vote for going back to present as well too.

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, I think it's pretty interesting that Chibo has yet to vote for Rajam, even though he stated that he'd love to get the guy out of the game, and also agrees that Mass Roleclaim is scummy as hell. Chibo/Raj team looks ever more likely right now. Chibo not voting for Raj also significantly slows down the lynching process, might I remind you all.

Also, something else occurred to me. If the time is preventing Adum from voting, I want outta here now. I'm not necessarily trying to use this as a case against Chibo, but I do have to note it.

 

[Pierce7d]

Rajam, you could simply fix that by voting for 1000A.D. right now. Shaya has already stated he's kinda feeling the play, and I don't believe Ed is expressively against it. Also, since both me and .joel have already backed it, it's the safest play for now. I admit to screwing up by locking it out without a bit more discussion, I thought it was clear to be the play of the day, considering the Chrono Doll situation. As it stands now, I THINK I'm still accurate on that regard.

Still, good play, I like what you did there. You could just, you know, claim now, to save us time.

Also, if Shaya doesn't vote tomorrow, that will say something very interesting.

 

[Pierce7d]

DMG not being active as usual. *sigh*

 

[Rajam]

Travel: Present 1000 AD

Please vote if you want to make me claim. I won't even wait to be at l-1. If 5 players agree I should claim, I'll do. I guess 5 is an ok number since, if there are 2 Mafia (most likely I guess), at least three people voting for that would be town, so I'd be doing it because of Town's best interests. Just for being clear, I'd suggest using this command:

(player name): claim (bolded pls)

(ie. Chibo: claim) .If you do not want me to claim, or want to change your vote, just use (player name): unclaim
Btw I'm not voting for myself. I do not want to claim.

 

[Pierce7d]

I can agree to those terms for now.

Rajam: Claim

 

[Pierce7d]

Adam, don't forget you can also make that type of vote

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Rajam: Claim

 

[CT Chia]

He's placed a vote on Pierce after me and said he forgot to after his original "I would be fine too blah". Yet again Chibo is annoying me because he hasn't really said anything about Pierce at all, just threw a weak vote on top. I've been building a case/suspicions of Pierce, which should at least stop people saying "hes a perfect towny"; anyone saying that perplexes me.

I certainly did explain my reasons for voting Pierce. Did you miss them? tbh at the time I didn't even know you were voting him, I put the vote on because I honestly thought before that I did.

My primary suspect right now is Chibo, and then you and DMG are fishy in a more subtle type of way. Your activity is sketchy as hell. I like what you're saying, but it's not coupled with enough activity or scum hunt for me to get a good read on you, and that makes me not trust you. Same with DMG, AND DMG's power smells fishy as hell. Between the 4 of you, if I don't hit one scum, I'll just admit I'm horrible at playing town.

I find it interesting that you suspect me when you think DMG's role is fishy when I'm the first and only person to bring up that thought here in this game.

Also, I think it's pretty interesting that Chibo has yet to vote for Rajam, even though he stated that he'd love to get the guy out of the game, and also agrees that Mass Roleclaim is scummy as hell. Chibo/Raj team looks ever more likely right now. Chibo not voting for Raj also significantly slows down the lynching process, might I remind you all.

Also, something else occurred to me. If the time is preventing Adum from voting, I want outta here now. I'm not necessarily trying to use this as a case against Chibo, but I do have to note it.

Did you need read what I said recently? I said give me time to read through everything (so I can lay down any votes appropriately without missing some things). The things your saying like me not liking some of the Rajam things are quick comments I had from posts I noticed while scrolling down the page, and specifically said that. I'll be voting in this post now that I'm caught up.

If the time is the reason that Adum can't vote then that's reason to not be here, but lets think of something here. Is there any kind of town role you can think of that would not be able to vote in pre historic times? (side note: how do we know its time related?) I can think of one major role: Lavos. Lavos didn't exist in Pre Historic times yet. Perhaps it could be a sort of unvoteable but also bulletproof power he gets when he's in this time period...

I'd also prefer to move to EoT before staying here again, and I'm very against the idea of going to EoT, but at least in EoT, there is a chance to find Chrono's doll

At this point, I agree that I've been playing poorly. For the same reason, everyone should be against me, like everyone was against SL day 1, and because of my poor playstyle, I guess is in the best of the interests of Mafia to keep me alive until lylo, since they must think that because I'm a rookie I won't be able to be useful for Town as the game reaches an end. Note how Pierce has been against me since the beginning of day 2, and note how Chibo and Shaya are voting for him, who I'm thinking more than ever that he is town now (he is the most active scum-hunter this day, he has searched info from Omni who was the top scum-hunter day 1 -we should do the same too btw-). Because of that, I think Chibo and Shaya are Mafia partners: They are voting for Pierce, the top scum-hunter day 2. Note how Shaya didn't vote day 1, and also Chibo did a poor vote for Shaya day 1 (I think just for distract us, SL was gonna get lynched anyways), and Chibo based his vote on 65,000,000,000 BC on flavor

These two posts especially stand out to me on Rajam recently that I don't feel have been thoroughly explained.
1. Rajam is now suggesting we get to EoT which I'm against. Call it my own personal thought or not, but I just don't see it being beneficial to us.
2. Saying all of these things in the second quote like mafia wanting to keep him around till lylo, true or not just seems really awkward, this isnt the kind of talk you normally here from people in mafia. What exactly does it mean? That we SHOULD lynch him?
and of course more
3. Suggesting a mass claim? MASSIVE rolefishing. There's no way we will do that, it's ridiculous.
4. The way you're hinting that you have a major role (so we dont want to lynch you) but not giving specifics (so people cant counter claim you?) makes NO sense to me.

Unvote
Vote: Rajam


Now with the interesting tidbit about the vote blocking and this being prehistoric brings something interesting. I think we should do one of two things...
1. Lynch someone (Rajam imo) and move to 1000AD (I would suggest another time but with 2 votes on 1000AD and 3 votes total out, I don't want to risk anyone trying to get us to EoT.
or
2. No Lynch and stay in Pre Historic time. If this is Lavos we're dealing with and because of the time can not vote, kill, and stuff, then we learn HUGE information. It's just taking a risk at night with the nightkill, then again we didn't get a nightkill last night so there could be a good chance of us being safe.

Which does everyone think is a better option?

 

[CT Chia]

ffffuuuu rajam voted for 1000ad when i was typing that. that decreases the chances of option 2 happening, still possible though. but it means 3 of the remaining 4 have to vote pre historic and I dont want to get close to EoT shenanigans

 

[Rajam]

Btw my suspicious list, in order:

Scummy Class:
1. Chibo: I guess his most scummy acts have been his travel votes. His day 1 vote was scummy, but I think it's somewhat understandable the explanation he gave later. Now, I completely disapprove his vote for remaining in Pre-historic, not only because staying here is like unuseful, but mostly because he didn't consulted it really, and he repeated the same mistake of day 1 by voting hasty again

2. Shaya: I think that with Chibo, these two are Mafia partners. Shaya is too quiet, doesn't pressure through votes. I'm upset he didn't vote at all day 1

No Idea
3. .joel: I really have no idea. He has grown a little inactive though

Town?
4. Edreeses: He is willing to cooperate a lot. The only thing "scummy" is that sometimes he is like, too friendly lol. idk if that can even be cataloged of scummy though. I think he scum-hunts well

5. Pierce: As I've said million of times, the only thing that upsets me of Pierce is what he said in day 1 about going to EoT early. Other than that his gameplay in day 2 has been strongly agree with Town's interests

6. adumbrodeus: I would put him in the same category as .joel if it weren't by his claim of "attacked but survived" and the fact that nobody is really suspecting of that. I don't have strong reasons to suspect of that claim neither

7. DMG: Ability 95% confirmed. Role and side mmm I'd say 70% ~ 75% confirmed. He should be more active though

 

[CT Chia]

You think I'm scum almost entirely based off of a single vote in day 1? Are you kidding? And voting quickly for a time? There was a full reason for staying here and I presented yet another one. And you're saying it's bad to vote hastily???? !?!?!?!? Need I remind you of you day 1? Wow.

And DMG's ability is 95% confirmed? lol what? Role and side 70%? Where are these arbitrary numbers coming from? How has he confirmed his role and side AT ALL!?

Wow Rajam needs to go.

 

[Rajam]

? Am I at l-1? The last count isn't very clear... (it says I have three votes, but only shows two names)

Request votecount

 

[CT Chia]

And what is this claim command your trying to make up? Too many new useless command things people are trying to make up. This one however is the worst, it seems like a way Rajam is trying to delay his claim even further.

 

[Rajam]

You think I'm scum almost entirely based off of a single vote in day 1? Are you kidding? And voting quickly for a time? There was a full reason for staying here and I presented yet another one. And you're saying it's bad to vote hastily???? !?!?!?!? Need I remind you of you day 1? Wow.

And DMG's ability is 95% confirmed? lol what? Role and side 70%? Where are these arbitrary numbers coming from? How has he confirmed his role and side AT ALL!?

Wow Rajam needs to go.

I'd say your vote of day 1 affects about 15% ~ 20% of my total suspcious on you. The most important factor is your vote on day 2 and the context of that vote. I'm also trying to find Mafia as a whole, and I think Mafia is you and Shaya. You two voting for Pierce makes it even more suspicious

 

[Red Arremer]

I'm reading everything posted here, don't worry. I have posted this morning, and currently suffer from an insane migraine. I doubt I'd be able to give out a good post this evening, so I'm just keeping with reading until I feel better, my thinking process isn't clouded by headache and I'm able to articulate the thoughts properly.

 

[Rajam]

These two posts especially stand out to me on Rajam recently that I don't feel have been thoroughly explained.
1. Rajam is now suggesting we get to EoT which I'm against. Call it my own personal thought or not, but I just don't see it being beneficial to us.

No, I didn't say that. I'm highly opposed to going to EoT. What I meant is that if I'm to pick between EoT or staying here again (only those 2 options), I'd pick EoT, because at least there, there is a chance of finding Chrono's doll

2. Saying all of these things in the second quote like mafia wanting to keep him around till lylo, true or not just seems really awkward, this isnt the kind of talk you normally here from people in mafia. What exactly does it mean? That we SHOULD lynch him?
and of course more
3. Suggesting a mass claim? MASSIVE rolefishing. There's no way we will do that, it's ridiculous.
4. The way you're hinting that you have a major role (so we dont want to lynch you) but not giving specifics (so people cant counter claim you?) makes NO sense to me.

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Vote: Rajam


Now with the interesting tidbit about the vote blocking and this being prehistoric brings something interesting. I think we should do one of two things...
1. Lynch someone (Rajam imo) and move to 1000AD (I would suggest another time but with 2 votes on 1000AD and 3 votes total out, I don't want to risk anyone trying to get us to EoT.
or
2. No Lynch and stay in Pre Historic time. If this is Lavos we're dealing with and because of the time can not vote, kill, and stuff, then we learn HUGE information. It's just taking a risk at night with the nightkill, then again we didn't get a nightkill last night so there could be a good chance of us being safe.

I guess you haven't read the part yet where some of us suggest how broken that would be (that is, Mafia unable to night kill would be broken). Suggesting it can happen along with some Town debuffs is pure flavor. The fact is that Chrono's doll isn't here, so let's get out of this time

Which does everyone think is a better option?

Answers in light green bolded

 

[Rajam]

There are two answers. Please don't miss the one that isn't in light green

 

[Rajam]

Also Chibo why are you complaining about the command, and if you want me to claim, just use it lol. I've already stated that I'll claim if it's in Town's interests (I guess 5 votes is a minimum for that), and that's why I invented the command, or if I'm at l-1. How many votes do I have???

Requesting vote count again lol

 

[Pierce7d]

.joel, I hope your head feels better.

.joel, Chibo, Adum, can you please type

Rajam: Claim

so we can get this over with already.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

cuz OS is major fail right now

rajam (3) - .joel, DMG, Chibo
Pierce7D (1)- Shaya
Shaya (2) -edreesespieces, Pierce7D,
Chibo (1) - Rajam

Time periods
Present: 1000 A.D. - Pierce7D, .joel, Rajam
Pre-historic: 65,000,000,000 B.C.- Chibo


Not voting:
Adumbrodeus

Rajam to Claim: (2): Edrees, Pierce

A deadline is set for Monday, June 7th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Red Arremer]

fine fine

Rajam: Claim

there you go, this'll be my last post for today, i will post tomorrow when my migraine hopefully is gone.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

thanks, good luck w/ ur migraine

 

[EdreesesPieces]

cuz OS is major fail right now

rajam (3) - .joel, DMG, Chibo
Pierce7D (1)- Shaya
Shaya (2) -edreesespieces, Pierce7D,
Chibo (1) - Rajam

Time periods
Present: 1000 A.D. - Pierce7D, .joel, Rajam
Pre-historic: 65,000,000,000 B.C.- Chibo


Not voting:
Adumbrodeus

Rajam to Claim: (3): Edrees, Pierce, .joel

A deadline is set for Monday, June 7th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Adumb - Alright, I believe you. to be honest I did believe you about it but just in case I had to comment about it, since you weren't posting much. I'm over it though. Good contribution there, i like ur play in that post, i'm glad you agree with me on Shaya's lack of push.

I'll post when I can, but I've seen similar plays with passivity in other games where people do empty analysis without scumhunting, it's generally an attempt to stay below the radar because people with no contributions get noticed as surely as those with many.

Generally a survivor or scum tactic.

Do you mean to say you don't think he is scum, but he might be, but that even if he isn't he'd be useless later so you wouldn't oppose lynching him? if u don't think he's scum, I don't think u should vote for his lynch JUST because he wouldn't be good in lylo. you should focus ur lynch vote on someone who you think is really scummy, IMO. however, I do understand ur reasoning if you can't seem to find anyone particularly scummy, and have to settle on lynching players who'd just be bad in lylo. So do u mean to say that you can't seem to find anyone too scummy, so you don't mind voting Rajam since he'd be bad in lylo? is this a safe representation of your point? If not I'd appreciate clarification, thanks.

Yes, fair enough. This is agreeable.



Like I said, I can understand if u'd vote for him, even when u think he's probably not scum, because you think he'd be useless in lylo. However, I can only agree with this IF YOU do not find anyone else scummy at all. You just stated twice that you don't think rajam is scummy, just that you'd throw in ur vote in support of his lynch if that's what town wants, because he wouldn't be useful in lylo. I say, why not try to convince the rest of us why we are wrong about Rajam being scummy, and point out someone else who is acting scummier, so you don't have to "settle" like this?

I originally was satisfied with that post, but something about it doesn't sit with me now.

I have some commentary on this, but it might mess up Shaya's answers so I will refrain for now.

Also, something else occurred to me. If the time is preventing Adum from voting, I want outta here now. I'm not necessarily trying to use this as a case against Chibo, but I do have to note it.

I doubt it, from the flavor I was given, it seems very unlikely, but I do suppose it's possible.



Ok then... I suppose this claim thing shows "I'm willing to lynch you if you don't claim", so it works.



Claim: Rajam



Ok, Chibo you made your case, how about some scumhunting?


Your idea of lavos being immune to something but being unable to vote and NK is interesting to say the least, but if so, why the penalty of death on it?



Regardless, similar to shaya, you seem to be willing to analyze, but little active scumhunting.


Who do you think is scum?





@Joel Sorry man, feel better.

 

[Pierce7d]

considering Shaya's time zone, it'll be a while before he posts Ed. Are we waiting for that? We can definitely pressure Chibo a bit more in the meantime.

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Vote: Chibo