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Why not use these^ characters for matchup discussion?
That would be a good idea, as of right now Charizard's dsmash is pretty pathetic. I'd either like to see it's startup speed buffed or making the hitbox larger. Charizard's dsmash reminds me of slightly better version of Jigglypuff's dsmash. But I think we should stop discussing buffs.
zard does well against kirby as long as u di kirby's ridiculous combos. I have a couple vids i will upload.
At the same time though Charizard can outrange the IC's and Rock Smash does wonders with separating the two. Especially when each is going to be hit with different amounts of shards for different damage; the more separation in their percentages the easier it is to separate them. And once you get Nana offstage, she is easy pickings for Zard's gimp game.
Had to quote myself for emphasis. Only way charizard will beat kirby is if you space like hell and don't let him get in. Cause once he does it's too easy for kirby to whoop some ***!!
I had the same trouble too, even with thunder jolts. Fair and rock smash are ****.
Rock Smash>Uthrow>Uair=TOO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
... that's a joke, right?
Nair is good, but not that great either. Only the tail, tail flame and the bottom part of his belly (yeah... I said "belly") are hitboxes, so it's not a staple, reliable move. I don't see how it can punish rolls or spot dodges, unless your opponent does so in a stupid, haphazard fashion.
Granted, Flamethrower is best when used as an edgeguarder, but it also has great use onstage. Mix it up with short hops, full hops, and b-reversals, and you're sure to find this move as a very good damage racker.
Sadly, Fsmash is just one of those moves you can just randomly throw in to mix it up on your opponent and maybe throw 'em off... And unless your opponent has ****** DI or the reflexes of a two-year old, you won't be landing this move off of Rock Smash.
no. Considering how suspect zard is to combos His fair is fine. It's the only way to space himself from chars faster then him.Have u played zard vs fox? I **** near quit the game after that lol.(Then i went to peach and ***** lol)
10% knockback increase is not much, especially to warrant Charizard's still-least-effective throw "****" status against Ivy. You're better off doing a side throw to fair (this applies to most matchups, actually).
Good players need to see the move only once to have a solid grasp of dthrow's easy timing and trajectory.
Which is why dthrow is still Charizard's worst throw.
i'm gonna have to disagree there, although it can't kill, with the damage increase and the fact that it throws people off stage and set them up for a spike makes me think it's one of his best.
No dthrow is def his worst. Both b and f throw can be followed up with a fair and uthrow at low percent can lead to about 2-3 uairs. There are no follow ups out of dthrow and i cant think of any situation as to where u would use dthrow over fthrow. I mean it can lead to a spike if angled right but zard has way better spike setups then dthrow. I have a vid ill upload tonight where i did this sick combo ending in a spike.
I think he means for towards higher percents.
Granted, the throw itself is the most damaging, but the throw just doesn't allow for follow-ups. And uhhh, in no scenario should dthrow ever lead to a spike; the move naturally sends the opponent at an upward angle (50 degrees-ish), so being able to spike right after a dthrow would be very poor DI on your opponent's account.
). But his other throws are just far better overall.