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Character Exploration Thread - Day 79: Axel Stone (Streets of Rage)

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How about a classic mode? I’m not sure what has or hasn’t been done yet but a route against duo characters, avatars, or sci-fi characters like Xenoblade and Metroid could be cool.
Maybe something representing each Legion? Here's mine:

Legion of Legions
Round 1:
:ultchrom:on :frigate:
Round 2: :ultdarkpit: on Venom
Round 3: :ultwolf: on Corneria
Round 4: :ultincineroar: on :norfair:
Round 5: :ultsimon: on Moray Towers
Round 6: The Howard of the opposite costume
Final Round: Galleom
 

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How about a classic mode? I’m not sure what has or hasn’t been done yet but a route against duo characters, avatars, or sci-fi characters like Xenoblade and Metroid could be cool.
They're a cop so criminals like Wario, Ridley, Wolf, K Rool, Bowser Jr and Ganondorf could play a part, you could even go for characters who have canonically been locked up in prison which would then entail Mario and Sonic. The boss could probably be Marx. If DLC characters could be in other classic modes then Joker and Kazuya are also obvious choices.

Oh and of course, they'll finally get Yoshi for tax evasion :4pacman:
 

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Maybe something representing each Legion? Here's mine:

Legion of Legions
Round 1:
:ultchrom:on :frigate:
Round 2: :ultdarkpit: on Venom
Round 3: :ultwolf: on Corneria
Round 4: :ultincineroar: on :norfair:
Round 5: :ultsimon: on Moray Towers
Round 6: The Howard of the opposite costume
Final Round: Galleom
They're a cop so criminals like Wario, Ridley, Wolf, K Rool, Bowser Jr and Ganondorf could play a part, you could even go for characters who have canonically been locked up in prison which would then entail Mario and Sonic. The boss could probably be Marx. If DLC characters could be in other classic modes then Joker and Kazuya are also obvious choices.

Oh and of course, they'll finally get Yoshi for tax evasion :4pacman:
These are both awesome ideas. It makes me wish they used Galeem and Dharkon in at least a few classic modes instead of limiting them to just World of Light.
 

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If Officer Howard was in Smash I would like them to go all in on the Sci fi Anime Cop schtick.

Mix of baton and blaster strikes for their normals while using legions for specials. If they had to be limited to 1 legion it should absolutely be the dog aka a K9 unit. I actually wrote a moveset concept for this character Here

Their stage should be the cool sci fi city.

Their classic mode should be about catching criminals.
 
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Not yet; If you want you're free to start nominating it. You have five noms by default; By posting stuff related to a game's content (Movesets, stage concepts, etc.), you can gain more for the next character.
Great!
Beyond the moveset, I also have extraneous content for other aspects of Astral Chain:

Moveset said:
Music said:
01 Savior
02 Emergency
03 Awakening
04 Central City (Combat Phase)
05 Invaders from Another World
06 Astral Plane (Combat Phase)
07 Maison Forest (Combat Phase)
08 Ark Mall (Combat Phase)
09 Homonculus A
10 Harmony Square Station (Combat Phase)
11 Legion Assault
12 Zone 09 Daytime (Combat Phase)
13 Suspense
14 Holy Order of the Digital Hermit
15 Hermit training
16 Chimera Takedown
17 Homonculus B
18 Homonculus Y
19 Jena Anderson
20 Jena (Rebellion and Salvation)
21 Jena (Catastrophe)
22 Grand Avenue (Combat Phase)
23 Rush!!
24 Zone 09 Night (Combat Phase)
25 Ark Sewer Mangement (Combat Phase)
26 Madness
27 Sector V Night (Combat Phase)
28 Case Trial
29 Dark Hero (Male)
30 Dark Hero (Female)
31 Aegis Research Institute (Combat Phase)
32 The Only One
33 Yoseph Calvert
34 Noah Core
35 Noah Prime
36 The Answer
Alternate Costumes said:
Stage said:
The Ark and Astral Plane
A shifting stage that starts on the neon blue city rooftops of the Ark which then transitions to the somber red tones of the Astral Plane:

Nominations: Shin Megami Tensei Rep x (However many this stuff gets me)
 

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Great!
Beyond the moveset, I also have extraneous content for other aspects of Astral Chain:






Nominations: Shin Megami Tensei Rep x (However many this stuff gets me)
That is an extremely impressive move set. I love all the work you put in making a GIF for each attack. It is a bit of a shame it is limited to just the sword legion but I totally get why. The Sword Legion is the first you obtain and is most prominently featured in promotional art. Their move set is already very complex with just one legion, never mind trying to incorporate all of them in one set.

Here’s a question inspired by this move set: How would everyone feel if Officer Howard could only summon the Sword Legion? Does anyone have any other ideas how to incorporate the other Legions?
 

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That is an extremely impressive move set. I love all the work you put in making a GIF for each attack. It is a bit of a shame it is limited to just the sword legion but I totally get why. The Sword Legion is the first you obtain and is most prominently featured in promotional art. Their move set is already very complex with just one legion, never mind trying to incorporate all of them in one set.

Here’s a question inspired by this move set: How would everyone feel if Officer Howard could only summon the Sword Legion? Does anyone have any other ideas how to incorporate the other Legions?
That's right. I wanted to avoid a Byleth situation where it was just the most basic attacks of every weapon in order to cram them all in a moveset where there's only 23 potential slots at minimum. Any more and you'd just... be making multiple characters and cramming them into one person.

I'd personally be down with just sword legion as they are my favorite design-wise and the one associated with the protagonist specifically since that was the first legion that was theirs only.
 

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Not sure what’s up today but…

 

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Alrighty then, assuming we've shifted over by now, I'll start things off with the big question: just who is Illidan Stormrage? I'm not familiar with the character at all, tbh

Noms: Axel Stone x5
 

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So...Illidan.

For those who don't know, Illidan Stormrage is an anti-hero Demon Hunter who is basically demonic Night Elf Lu Bu. He served as the main antagonist of World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade, and was a highly important collaborator in Legion. He was once a sorcerer, but he basically betrayed his own race to join a massive army of demons called the Burning Legion but was actually forming a secret rebellion from the inside. He leads a faction of demon hunters known as Illidari, sending forces of corrupted elves to slay whole hordes of demons that attempt to invade Azeroth. I am skipping over a lot of details because I'm a little headache-y at the moment and can't be bothered to spend too much energy to write down his whole backstory at the moment.

Now although a Demon Hunter like Illidan is a really interesting idea, I can't help but ask: why him over Arthas? Death Knights are just as much unique as Demon Hunters, if not more, and Arthas himself is by far one of THE most popular characters Blizzard has ever created. So why Illidan? What else does he have that Arthas doesn't appeal-wise?

Noms:
All in on Geolyte.
 
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So...Illidan.

For those who don't know, Illidan Stormrage is an anti-hero Demon Hunter who is basically demonic Night Elf Lu Bu. He served as the main antagonist of World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade, and was a highly important collaborator in Legion. He was once a sorcerer, but he basically betrayed his own race to join a massive army of demons called the Burning Legion but was actually forming a secret rebellion from the inside. He leads a faction of demon hunters known as Illidari, sending forces of corrupted elves to slay whole hordes of demons that attempt to invade Azeroth. I am skipping over a lot of details because I'm a little headache-y at the moment and can't be bothered to spend too much energy to write down his whole backstory at the moment.

Now although a Demon Hunter like Illidan is a really interesting idea, I can't help but ask: why him over Arthas? Death Knights are just as much unique as Demon Hunters, if not more, and Arthas himself is by far one of THE most popular characters Blizzard has ever created. So why Illidan? What else does he have that Arthas doesn't appeal-wise?

Noms:
All in on Geolyte.
I didn't nominate Illidan but I can answer your question because I've had this exact conversation with a friend before. We were discussing dream Smash fighters and she says Illidan and then I says the same thing you said, "why not the Lich King who is one of the biggest villains in gaming?" The answer was that Illidan has a better capability for a fighting game moveset. Especially in terms of the up special, which almost any Warcraft representative would struggle with. The other main point she gave was Illidan's more interesting weapons of choice, compared to the Lich King using a fairly normal sword by Smash standards.

That all said, as a WoW fan myself I have come to the conclusion a while ago that there is no "perfect" Warcraft representative for Smash. There's hardly a protagonist, and the people important to the story change wildly by the year. I tend to like putting in the player character in before side characters in my dream Smash rosters, but that doesn't work with Warcraft when the player character varies super wildly. There's just a lot who'd work just as well as each other. The Lich King is one of the most important villains in gaming, like I said, and the ice aesthetics would be kind of unique. Illidan has a good moveset potential and his importance in the series lasted quite a long time. I'd also like to throw Thrall in there because orcs specifically are very important to the Warcraft franchise. That guy has slowly become my main squeeze pick for Warcraft rep over the time I've been a fan, mostly because Thrall would probably play the most like an actual player character.

Anyways, tiny Greninja team as the Murloc spirit battle has to happen. #LeeroyJenkins4LegendSpirit

(my 10 noms to Black Mage pls pls)
 
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Reminder that Illidan is blind, not deaf!

Here's some abilities he had in Warcraft III. Mana Burn, which burns an enemy target's mana, removing it while also doing the same amount of damage to them. Since Smash don't really do mana (Hero notwithstanding) Mana Burn would have to work a tad differently. There's also Immolation, which would deal damage to nearby enemies for as long as it's in effect. That'd have some interesting gameplay potential actually. Evasion, which gives him passive, well, evasion chance against attacks, and wouldn't really work as a Smash special move because everyone can already dodge. His ultimate WC3 ability, Metamorphosis, transforms him into a demon with a ranged attack and extra hit points. If translated directly to Smash, I assume it'd change his neutral attacks and buff his weight, but could just as easily be a final smash instead.

I can't speak about any possible gameplay potential from him in World of Warcraft because I only reached level 20 or so before I decided that WoW didn't really hook me.
 

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So...Illidan.

For those who don't know, Illidan Stormrage is an anti-hero Demon Hunter who is basically demonic Night Elf Lu Bu. He served as the main antagonist of World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade, and was a highly important collaborator in Legion. He was once a sorcerer, but he basically betrayed his own race to join a massive army of demons called the Burning Legion but was actually forming a secret rebellion from the inside. He leads a faction of demon hunters known as Illidari, sending forces of corrupted elves to slay whole hordes of demons that attempt to invade Azeroth. I am skipping over a lot of details because I'm a little headache-y at the moment and can't be bothered to spend too much energy to write down his whole backstory at the moment.

Now although a Demon Hunter like Illidan is a really interesting idea, I can't help but ask: why him over Arthas? Death Knights are just as much unique as Demon Hunters, if not more, and Arthas himself is by far one of THE most popular characters Blizzard has ever created. So why Illidan? What else does he have that Arthas doesn't appeal-wise?

Noms:
All in on Geolyte.
That was an excellent summary, I don't think I could have said it any better myself. It's a bit funny that I was the one who nominated Illidan but I've never played World of WarCraft. Because of this, I don't think I'm even the most knowledgeable person about Illidan on these threads since most of what I know came from WarCraft III. I was a huge fan of WarCraft III back in high school and used to play that all night during my summer vacations. I was never really very good at it but I just loved the lore and characters so much. I played through the campaign multiple times and I used to spend countless hours on fan games like Hero Arenas.

Honestly, Arthas would probably be just as good a fit for Smash as Illidan and would be awesome in his own way but I mostly picked Illidan out of personal bias. I love Arthas as well but Illidan has been one of my favorite video game characters ever since I was in high school. There's something about his design that really appeals to me. I think it would be great if Smash were to get some more nonhuman characters, and Night Elves like Illidan really stand out. Illidan also has very unique weapons where Arthas is another heavy sword wielder, although a very unique one at that. That being said, you can't really go wrong with any character from WarCraft since they are all awesome in their own way.


Illidan Stormrage

Illidan (Jeremy Sun).jpg

Art by Jeremy Sun​

As far as Illidan goes, I came up with a moveset for him recently that I'd love to share here:

Moveset



Alternate Outfits

Illidan has some options for alternate outfits from Heroes of the Storm, although I think just the default model with palate swaps would work fine. Here are some examples:


Illidan_The_Betrayer (1).jpg
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Illidan_Void.jpg
Illidan_Felblood.jpg
Illidan_Betrayer.jpg
Illidan_Betrayer_Fel.jpg
Illidan_Shan'do.jpg
Illidan_Shan'do_Nightmare.jpg


Stage - The Frozen Throne

Speaking of the Lich King, Arthas, I think the Frozen Throne area from the Icecrown Citadel would make an awesome stage regardless of which character is chosen. It is definitely much more closely tied to Arthas than Illidan but I think it is a great stage to represent WarCraft overall. I think it would be really cool to have Arthas sitting atop the throne watching the battle similar to Shao Khan in Mortal Kombat 2. Potentially, Arthas could occasionally rise up from his throne and launch an attack.

Frozen Throne.jpg
 
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I used to be really into WoW, but fell off it for multiple reasons of varying severity. As someone who pretty much only played Enhancement Shaman (using melee weapons alongside the four elements), I'd prefer Thrall as a fighter, but Illidan seems pretty neat too.

If Illidan was playable, I assume Outland would be the stage? Or would they want to stick to something on Azeroth to better reflect Warcraft as a whole?
 

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Yeah, for the stage, I opted to represent WarCraft as a whole rather than Illidan specifically. There are a ton of really great locations to choose from. Since I'm almost equally interested in Arthas as a playable character, I decided to at least give him some spotlight in the stage.

I'm also fine with other characters being chosen instead of Illidan. While Illidan is my personal favorite, I just love the character designs overall from most of Blizzard's games so you can't really go wrong no matter who you choose. Arthas would be amazing with his ice powers and necromancy and Thrall would really stand out with his brute strength and massive size. Sylvanas is another cool option for a villain with her focus on archery.
 
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I could imagine Illidan being more of an opposite to Sephiroth than Kazuya in a way as far as the reveal goes: despite being a man with relatively evil powers birthed from the Legion, he's still fighting for a good cause. He's also more demonic than Kazuya as well, arguably, and is extremely powerful, to boot. Seeing Illidan do to Dharkon as he did to Gul'dan in a similar trailer would be hella badass.
 
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Does anyone have any good recommendations for music that could come with a WarCraft character? Despite playing it a ton as a teen, I don't remember a whole lot of the music and haven't really heard any music from WoW. I'm more familiar with StarCraft music, especially the amazing Terran themes.

Oh and before I forget, I'll list my nominations:

x20 Fulgore
x10 Velvet Crowe
 

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I could imagine Illidan being more of an opposite to Sephiroth than Kazuya in a way as far as the reveal goes: despite being a man with relatively evil powers birthed from the Legion, he's still fighting for a good cause. He's also more demonic than Kazuya as well, arguably, and is extremely powerful, to boot. Seeing Illidan do to Dharkon as he did to Gul'dan in a similar trailer would be hella badass.
Unless you're talking about a different incident, it'd be kinda weird to choke out a floating eye.

Who would Illidan's Spirits be? Would it stick only to RTS characters, or would they pick from the enormous cast of WoW?
 

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Unless you're talking about a different incident, it'd be kinda weird to choke out a floating eye.

Who would Illidan's Spirits be? Would it stick only to RTS characters, or would they pick from the enormous cast of WoW?
I think it would make sense to just pick the most iconic characters, regardless if they came from the RTS games or World of WarCraft. Some examples I'd love to see are Arthas, Thrall, Sylvanas, Garrosh, Jayna, Uther, Deathwing, and Kil'jaeden.
 
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All I really know for Warcraft stuff these days beyond the Horde and Alliance thing is that Sylvanas does a whole bunch of stuff and now they're trying to redeem her or something
Also that Illidan would always show up as the first custom character whenever I was browsing other people's Create a Soul in Soul Calibur 6 until a couple months ago.

I guess Illidan would also have a really damn cool trailer if they decide to emulate how Blizzard does them too.

Anyway

20 noms on Master Chief
 

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All I really know for Warcraft stuff these days beyond the Horde and Alliance thing is that Sylvanas does a whole bunch of stuff and now they're trying to redeem her or something
Also that Illidan would always show up as the first custom character whenever I was browsing other people's Create a Soul in Soul Calibur 6 until a couple months ago.

I guess Illidan would also have a really damn cool trailer if they decide to emulate how Blizzard does them too.

Anyway

20 noms on Master Chief
I'd love to see an Illidan vs Sephiroth battle in a reveal trailer. A battle between a heroic demon and a villainous angel just seems epic to me. They are both among my favorite video game characters ever and would make for an amazing cinematic fight. Kazuya would fit right in too since the two are so similar in many ways.
 
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Y'know, Illidan would be interesting because I don't think we really have a proper "Western fantasy" series in the vein of Lord of the Rings and Dungeons and Dragons represented in Smash. It's all either Eastern fantasy drawing from (And including) Dragon Quest or science fantasy of varying degrees. I think the closest to a Western fantasy style would be Zelda, but I'm not sure if it fully fits the feel. I've kinda been eyeing more Western-styled games lately but haven't really jumped in yet, so characters like this are kinda interesting.

Nomination: Ryza x15
 

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They can also pull moveset from Illidan raid boss fight. Not to mention Demon Hunter class skills. I think his Final Smash should be Metamorphosis. We can finally get another transformation type Final Smash.

If it's Illidan, the stage would most likely be the top of Black Temple. Still, it's hard to pinpoint to Warcraft location for stage. While Stormwind and Ogrimmar are iconic locations, they don't belong to Illidan.

Nom: Ryza x Max
 

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They can also pull moveset from Illidan raid boss fight. Not to mention Demon Hunter class skills. I think his Final Smash should be Metamorphosis. We can finally get another transformation type Final Smash.

If it's Illidan, the stage would most likely be the top of Black Temple. Still, it's hard to pinpoint to Warcraft location for stage. While Stormwind and Ogrimmar are iconic locations, they don't belong to Illidan.

Nom: Ryza x Max
I had Metamorphosis as a temporary power up state similar to One Winged Angel and Arsene. Most Final Smash attacks these days are either cinematic or just a single attack. I like the idea of actually controlling his demon form. Check out my move set if you haven’t seen it yet.

Since I haven’t actually played WoW myself, I had to get a little creative with the Final Smash. I ended up going with Parasitic Shadowfiends, a cinematic attack where Illidan summons a horde of shadow warriors to attack his opponents and drain health.

Here’s my full set again for anyone who hasn’t seen it. I’d love to hear some feedback on it to see how accurate it portrays him since I haven’t played WoW:


If we are going with a stage to represent Illidan specifically, I think the Black Temple is a great choice. Here are a few images that can help people get an idea of what it looks like:

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Illidan wouldn't be my first choice for a Warcraft rep, That would be Arthas, but Illidan would still be based.

I was thinking about a stage and the Black Temple or Argus could be Cool



The Black temple could either take place on the peak where you fight illidan or it could travel through the building and you see the other bosses and buildings



Argus could be another travelling stage where you see the many different places in Argus from the Antoran Wastes and Mac'aree to the Argus the Unmaker boss room.

Azeroth as a whole could be another fun stage, you travel between the most iconic zones on each continent like The Barrens to Elwynn Forest to the Vale Of Eternal Blossoms etc. etc.

Nominations: Estelle Bright x5
 

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Now let's get some things out the window: the Spirit Board and the Classic Mode.

Illidan's Classic Mode could probably be about betrayer characters, probably. Though, I don't know how many base roster characters fit that description.

Meanwhile, the Spirit Board could probably involve other Raid Bosses in WoW (Like Ragnaros, the Old Gods, the Lich King, etc).
 

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I'm not going to lie, in spite of playing Heroes of the Storm quite a bit when I was younger, my very dumb brain somehow mixed up Illidan with Sylvanas. I have 0 idea how, but I was prepared to discuss Sylvanas today...

So, uh, Illidan! Who is not Sylvanas...

So, how far would people want Illidan content to go? We can cover all of Warcraft, but do we include stuff from Hearthstone? Have a couple non-Warcraft spirits a la how SNK was handled? Do we get a Diablo stage cameo? Is Raynor a Mii Costume? Do we get to throw back to that day Tracer became the #1 topic on Twitter as people were pre-emptively salty about the idea of her being included?
 

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I'm not going to lie, in spite of playing Heroes of the Storm quite a bit when I was younger, my very dumb brain somehow mixed up Illidan with Sylvanas. I have 0 idea how, but I was prepared to discuss Sylvanas today...

So, uh, Illidan! Who is not Sylvanas...

So, how far would people want Illidan content to go? We can cover all of Warcraft, but do we include stuff from Hearthstone? Have a couple non-Warcraft spirits a la how SNK was handled? Do we get a Diablo stage cameo? Is Raynor a Mii Costume? Do we get to throw back to that day Tracer became the #1 topic on Twitter as people were pre-emptively salty about the idea of her being included?
Better count your blessings on that one. I've heard nothing but bad things about Sylvanas's recent characterization...
 

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I'm not going to lie, in spite of playing Heroes of the Storm quite a bit when I was younger, my very dumb brain somehow mixed up Illidan with Sylvanas. I have 0 idea how, but I was prepared to discuss Sylvanas today...

So, uh, Illidan! Who is not Sylvanas...

So, how far would people want Illidan content to go? We can cover all of Warcraft, but do we include stuff from Hearthstone? Have a couple non-Warcraft spirits a la how SNK was handled? Do we get a Diablo stage cameo? Is Raynor a Mii Costume? Do we get to throw back to that day Tracer became the #1 topic on Twitter as people were pre-emptively salty about the idea of her being included?
I would be totally welcome to content from other Blizzard IPs getting in with a WarCraft character. I think the majority would focus on WarCraft properties like the RTS games, WoW, and Hearthstone but the other games could totally have music and Miis. I would love to see a Tracer and Jim Raynor Mii Gunner along with an Arthas and Diablo barbarian Mii sword fighter. I would also love some StarCraft music, namely the awesome Terran themes, along with some of the top songs from other games.

The funny thing about WarCraft is, despite being Blizzard’s biggest IP, it is also the only one never to appear on a Nintendo console. It’s hard to say which property Blizzard would choose for a playable character in Smash since they all have a strong case.

WarCraft - Blizzard’s oldest and biggest major IP but has no Nintendo presence. It has revolutionized multiple genres including RTS, MMORPGs, online TCGs, and even has a movie.

StarCraft - Hugely popular in Korea and revolutionized competitive gaming. It was also Blizzard’s first major IPto appear on a Nintendo console. It is the only one notcurrently active however.

Diablo - Almost as old as WarCraft and has been getting new games. It made an appearance on the Nintendo Switch and the remaster of Diablo II will as well.

Overwatch - Blizzard’s newest IP and was hugely popular. It is also on the Switch. However, being the newest also means it doesn’t quite have the legacy and history of the others.
 
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Hey, does anyone have any tips to improve my build's RDPS? I'm currently just throwing noms at things.






It feels weird to say this to the person in charge of the thread, but Ryza's already locked in for discussion! Where shall we put your noms instead?
Aight, let's move the noms over to Klonoa
 
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