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Dark Dawn had glowing reviews, believe it or not. Fan reaction was mixed. The game was NOT a failure, but it didn't sell nearly as well as the first two games. We don't have exact sales numbers, but it likely hit 500k tops. Again, though, we don't have exact sales numbers, so it could be less than that. (VGChartz says 700k; I doubt its THAT high, which is why I usually estimate 500k).
Yeah, I kinda doubt Tanooki Mario and Cat Peach would have done as well if sold on their own, and I think they will do a similar thing like Mario Kart 8 with any other potential semi-clones they may want to include as DLC. Bundle them up with any more unique or popular characters along with some other stuff such as new stages, music etc and try to make them stand out a bit compared to their parent character and they are more or less good to go imo, they are bound to be used at least once by most players and some may even grow a liking to them too and perhaps even main them if they are good. But that's just my opinion.
Isaac as a character isn't much different from Link, of note. When he's not the protagonist he starts to show his personality and gets some character development, but in the first game he basically acts as an avatar for the player. Isaac is the most important character in the series, though, he's the most recurring main character and is the original "main" character of the series, so naturally he's the first brought up.
Well said Burrnuni, well said.Smash has stood for one concept: Creating a living tapestry of Nintendo's history, with some liberties of character integrity, to allow for a party-style fighting game experience that nobody else is able to properly encapsulate.
Ever since 64, we've had characters whose moves didn't really match what they've done in the games, characters many Nintendo fans probably haven't seen before
But it was such a fresh idea that rocked the gaming wold back in the late 90s. At the time, the fighting genre was dominated by either arcade-style fighters the likes of Street Fighter or Marvel V.S. and the beat-em-up side scrolling adventures like Double Dragons or Battle Toads.
Smash came out and said "Why not reinvent so many of our iconic characters and put them all into a game to settle the argument of who'd win a fight?" While this premise sounds similar to the Marvel V.S. series, take into consideration that unlike Comics, games rarely had crossovers to this level.
Smash has stood for showing off all of their biggest and brightest against some less known characters with intense fans.
There will always be the factor of clones in the roster.
There will always be the characters we question why THEY got to be in
But there are always the big additions that make the child inside of you cheer on from years past.
Indeed. In fact, besides cut veterans, semi-lone newcomers are the other type of additional characters I expect. I can see a hypothetical pack that has, say, Lucas and Wolf as the main selling point and as a bonus include someone like Toon Zelda.
1. and 2. are obvious, but character popularity is just a relatively small part of the newcomer process, it doesn't really make him more likely, just in the possibility of consideration.
Which can either mean a good thing or bad thing, and I'm sure there's a reason for certain AT removals.
Vaanrose pointed it out before, but composers pretty much have the freedom to any song from any game they wish, it doesn't really make them more likely.
Yes these are true, but these don't really help Isaac's chances more than one bit, especially with point #8.
Currently relevant with the relatively unsuccessful installment which didn't reach good expectations, unlike Xenoblade and Punch Out Wii. Which is a nail in the coffin for GS to get a character.
He's the most iconic and the most recurring in GS franchise you are right but does that mean he can be considered more likely for that very reason? I don't think Sakurai would be easily convinced that he should be added just because he's the main character.
You flip flop on popularity so much I can't tell what you think anymore.
And... What's the reason for Isaac exactly?
Music doesn't make him more likely, I agree, but on the other hand, it is new content which means someone's thinking of the series which is comforting.
Those were counters to arguments. Not arguments themselves.
You're forgetting just how badly the Tellius games bombed. And boy did they bomb as awesome as they were. And if you're going to use this argument then bye bye Lucas. (Leaving room for error, VGCharts isn't reliable but it's always in the ball park.) Not to mention the first two games leaving Xenoblade in the dust which will be remembered.Um... Your logic here is questionable. If he is the main character, then he should be added. I think you're twisting the arguement into something is not.
This coming from the guy who thinks
, Bayonetta and a freaking character from Bravely Default is more likely than Isaac?, Dixie and/or K.Rool and that's it. Maybe if we're lucky.
He was relatively.
Look into the history of Xenoblade Chronicles, specifically Operation Rainfall.
Yeah, a good number of people wanted Xenoblade over in the US at least. No offense, but it kind of baffles me that Operation Rainfall was successful yet several years later Mother 3 still has not gotten an official release outside Japan. The former part may have helped Shulk's chances of getting in while the later part undeniably hurts Lucas's at the same time. While I support Lucas for DLC with a passion, more than any other character, I just don't think he's likely without a worldwide release of Mother 3 at this point.
?I agree. I just said that Isaac was probably more well known.
Yeah. This was after he was leaked twice. Before that he really was pretty small.
Reggie actually said they had planned on releasing the Operation Rainfall games already.
Oh. I did not know that. It makes more sense now, as opposed to Nintendo releasing Xenoblade worldwide due to fan demand while Mother 3, despite fan demand is kept in Japan. I just hope for a Mother 3 worldwide release. Heck, a remastered Mother 1 worldwide release would be good too. May be Ninten would get in if that happened? Just hope they can make him unique enough if he does...
I'm comparing Isaac to Shulk. What does Mac have to do with them?
Punch Out!! ain't getting anything soon.
: The great "core" racing game IP of Nintendo.: Niche but extraordinary and beloved JRPG: Still have a unique playstyle even if RosaLuma shares the same kind of premise.: Had two games on the NES of a niche SRPG series that was exclusive in japan: HAD YET TO BE IN A GAME YET.
: One NES game, a quirky and creative puzzler.: Two games on the gamecube, fairly well off.: A true Nintendo-hard NES game and a GameBoy sequel nobody remembers.: King of Cameos for originally being a toy.: To quote Bikdip's story, he was told it was a character from wii fit "The hell? Is it the balance board?!" because this character was forgotten by people WHO HAD THE GAME.: Truly cult-classic JRPG that pushed the Wii to its limits and was claimed by reviewers as "The Rebirth of JRPGs."
Does Isaac not fit with them?Smash characters aren't always the most well known. It's a matter of what they mean as a fighter and part of Nintendo's history.
Mainly saying that just because a series doesn't have a new game coming out doesn't mean they don't have a shot.
I'm definitely not saying that Mac isn't a megaton.
What defines significant? The Golden Sun series did sell million of copies. It was a title that many define as one of the best on GBA even catching the eye of non gaming sites when they list them.
1) I at no point said that Isaac was excluded. I was making a statement which was general but namely put Shulk into perspective.
Yeah, I do that pretty often. :S
I don't know, but in a process of elimination, it's probably either time constraints, and/or that the non-retro character is from a franchise (who previously had AT status) being no longer relevant to Nintendo with no new installments today (Like Kuru Kuruuin, Drill Dozer, Custom). Really hard to tell for Golden Sun really, the only thing I can think of is that it has to do with DD.
Yes, and Jayden listed reasons with the points why he's likely, counters to arguments aren't points that help anyone's chances.
You have a point here. But I think DD did heavily affect Sakurai's decision to put Isaac in a very low priority list for considering newcomers.
You're twisting people's words. It didn't bomb financially. It just wasn't as well liked as the other two. People still like it. Critics liked it. Relatively is right, because it wasn't unsuccessful. Just not as successful. There is a big difference. Heck, if some numbers are to be believed, it sold around as much as Xenoblade Chronicles.
Yes, but those aren't huge points favoring Isaac's chances. And again, these are points that he stated as to why he's likely, I highly doubt being the main character makes him more likely.
I'm open to many choices as long the cons don't overcome the points helping a character's chances.This coming from the guy who thinks
I mean sheesh man. You're biased as hell. Always have been.
And this is coming from someone who thinks Isaac isn't likely.
Nintendo does treat GS as one of the classics though, just recently I saw a tweet from Nintendo calling Lost Age a classic releasing for the VC.
Now you're just underplaying popularity in general.
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Again. DD wasn't that bad.
Shulk was more likely than Reyn right?
And the fact that his niche is completely taken?I'm open to many choices as long the cons don't overcome the points helping a character's chances.
And I'm not that personally connected to Young Link himself, but him coming from the #2 most popular Nintendo franchise and being in two of the most critically acclaimed 3D Zelda games while having a new remaked game starring him are good points in his favor.
Wait so advertising for third party works but Splatoon doesn't?
There ya go.
and being a "Magiknight" like in a more unique way, being particularly tied to Earth magic and the field spells.: Not gonna happen.. as far as I remember., was considered too unimportant to bring back even by the Project M community as of yet.
I'm super pro Isaac, like he's my most wanted DLC, but basically this.
Did you mean the other way around?
His original purpose for inclusion is already taken sure, but that doesn't mean he can't be added as DLC entirely. He could easily have a different purpose of getting in as a character, like instead of filling in the last minute clones, why not get added for an upcoming game that's been speculated to come since the OoT remake and look at the abilities of the masks and how they could make YL unique and something worth buying?
Well just recently, I already changed my mind about Splatoon due to an Gonintendo article. And it could happen, it's just up to Sakurai if he'll give an unreleased franchise (that Nintendo wants to push) that chance.
Important to note - Mother is HUGE and beloved in Japan. It's little more than a cult classic in the West, but it's a cultural touchstone in Japan, probably in no small part due to the fame of Shigesato Itoi himself.
Taunts!
Um... That community was pretty small up until the Gematsu leak and the announcement of what came to be known as "Monado Monday." Over the weekend before that newcomer trailer, the Shulk thread experienced a surge in activity due to more people coming out and supporting Shulk and overall hype. It remained in that state even after it turned out that "Monado Monday" was actually "Tactician Monday."
...says the man with Marshal in his signature.
Not Marshal, Chorus Kid.
I agree, but I was never saying otherwise.
The difference is I'm saying neither were well known to the general public. By that wording, that means neither are more well known than the other; they are equally unknown.
It was directed at a lot of people.
Not really?
Ah I see..
Hold on. Checking for Morbid alt.
I've been doing this for a very very long time. But speaking of MorbidAltruism where has he gone off to?
