Character Discussion Thread

[JaidynReiman]

Other than the ones we don't talk about, has Zelda ever had any spinoffs?

Technically the Four Swords games are spinoffs, as they don't follow the same gameplay format of existing Zelda titles, but they are considered canon. If you mean spinoffs as in =/= canon, well, being a spinoff doesn't mean a game can't be canon. But either way, it is true that there really aren't many Zelda spinoffs.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I heard these were found in code. But that's a lie right? :

I know these are fake but what series is the bottom right logo representing?

I figure the plug is Chibi Robo.

 

[Kriven]

Quick response to various posts that interested me (without quotes):

The Excitebike track was likely added to Mario Kart 8 because of Excitebike: Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium... It's a pseudo-classic track, in that regard.

Most recognizable Rhythm Heaven character:

Eat your heart out generic Chorus Kids nobody ever knew about before rumors.

King K. Rool is typically portrayed at twice the size of Donkey Kong... I've been saying it for years, but if Ridley is "too big", K. Rool is way too big.

Whether Ridley was intended to be playable can't be substantiated... But it also feels to me like the development team tried to work things out with the character. I don't know why they decided against it, but the scenario that makes sense to me is they attempted to implement Ridley as kind of a.. "Giga" sized character, but it ultimately didn't work out (even Giga Bowser isn't fun to play as on narrow stages). I doubt his exclusion had anything to do with 3DS capabilities.

More third-party characters would be great, honestly. There's a string of about ten characters that, in my opinion, represent the best of gaming throughout various generations (that haven't made it in yet). These are iconic characters or franchises or titles that deserve to be acknowledged in some regard: Frogger, Q*Bert, Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Rayman, Tomb Raider, Skylanders. As I see it, those are the most significant third-party titles spanning the entirety of video gaming history... I just want to make it clear that there are other First-Tier gaming icons, but they happen to be first or second party to Sony or Microsoft. Popeye, James Bond, and Mickey Mouse are the only non-gaming characters with enough clout to stand among the others (Without Popeye there wouldn't be Mario, GoldenEye 007 defined the FPS genre, Kingdom Hearts is a massively influential franchise). As far as including third-party characters in Smash Bros., I think they should also consider characters or franchises which have had previous crossovers with Nintendo's properties... so Soul Calibur, Bomberman, Dead or Alive... those should all have special consideration.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If you honestly think she's the most recognizable RH character, you need to do more research.

 

[Kriven]

If I need to do research, the character you have in mind isn't recognizable.

 

[Deleted member]

Most recognizable RH character, you say?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/x-interviews

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Here's my stance on Rhythm Heaven representation.

This is all just my personal opinion, I could be flat out wrong about this, but I'm thinking Gematsu was being contacted by a legitimate leaker, but the leaker was supplying Sal with outdated information. The Chorus Men were leaked by the guy who supplied Sal with the information as "Chorus Men," not any one member in particular, so if that's the case, Sakurai must have had the same trouble with their development as he did with the Ice Climbers.

Now, I have absolutely no expertise in Rhythm Heaven, but from what I gathered the Chorus Men are the number one characters from Rhythm Heaven, so if Sakurai wanted to give Rhythm Heaven a representative, it would be them, but the situation of difficult development makes me lean towards them being Assist Trophy material for future Smash titles.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

And it's all about Rhythm Girl vs. Chorus Kids vs. Karate Joe vs. Wrestler again isn't it?

 

[Deleted member]

And it's all about Rhythm Girl vs. Chorus Kids vs. Karate Joe vs. Wrestler again isn't it?

vs. Marshal vs. Rhythm Monkey.
Make it a slamfest.

 

[C.O.M.M]

I know these are fake but what series is the bottom right logo representing?

I figure the plug is Chibi Robo.

C-Could that sun maybe be Golden Sun?

Isaac pls

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Though not expecting it, I wouldn't mind seeing Isaac being added as DLC, we just got the original Golden Sun on Wii U Virtual Console for crying out loud. (And I've never even played Golden Sun before)

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think people are making too much of a big deal of the GS VC release helping Isaac chances.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think people are making too much of a big deal of the GS release helping Isaac chances.

People make a big deal out of a lot of things when it comes to "chances".

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I think people are making too much of a big deal of the GS VC release helping Isaac chances.

To be fair, I did say I wasn't really expecting Isaac to be DLC.

 

[Kenith]

It's weird even though we've seen extensive Wii U gameplay but no Isaac AT.
Isaac being a DLC character would be cool, but what about Ray, Jill, Barbara...

Jill would be an interesting choice, albeit not the Jill I was wanting or expecting...

 

[False Sense]

People make a big deal out of a lot of things when it comes to "chances".

To be fair, that's all we really have to go on. Sometimes stuff like that means nothing, and sometimes it ends up mattering; it's important to consider everything and every possibility when it comes to speculation.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I think people are making too much of a big deal of the GS VC release helping Isaac chances.

Can't wait for Andy/Sami!

 

[Kenith]

Can't wait for Andy/Sami!

Bring on the wrenches / moderately attractive Snake semi-clone!

 

[ElPanandero]

I do not believe that Sakurai "definitely" tried to make Ridley playable. Surely, that would require more evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

I guess I should have said I believe, my bad.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Bring on the wrenches / moderately attractive Snake semi-clone!

As long as the later has massive bazookas ready to blow her male competitions' minds.

 

[Substitution]

As long as the later has massive bazookas ready to blow her male competitions' minds.

I for one welcome the potential for explosions.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'd love Sami even though I don't think its that likely, sadly... I can only see it happening if a new Wars game is put into production, since the last game was before Brawl. Advance Wars is definitely one of the top franchises deserving of more representation, though.

 

[GunGunW]

Who does everyone think is the most likely (not most wanted) character to be DLC next?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Who does everyone think is the most likely (not most wanted) character to be DLC next?

Wolf

 

[The Light Music Club]

Who does everyone think is the most likely (not most wanted) character to be DLC next?

Ice Climbers or Wolf. Ice Climbers are practically done (and might be in DH's trailer) Wolf apparently has his voice actor in the game, probably since they recorded lines, but haven't used them yet.

 

[Deleted member]

There are four actors that could possibly be meant by "Wolf's voice actor" in this context.
His Japanese Brawl voice actor, Mahito Ouba.
His English Brawl actor, Jay Ward.
His Japanese 64 3D actor, Kosuke Takaguchi.
His English 64 3D actor Jaz Adams.

The latter two being most likely to be Wolf's voice actors for Smash 4.

None of them are in the credits for 3DS IIRC.

EDIT:
Come to think of it, it's strange Kosuke Takaguchi isn't present, considering he voices Falco in 64 3D as well.
....unless Falco didn't get a Japanese voice change?
In that case, Mahito Ouba would be the one to look out for. Though he's not in the credits either.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

There are four actors that could possibly be meant by "Wolf's voice actor" in this context.
His Japanese Brawl voice actor, Mahito Ouba.
His English Brawl actor, Jay Ward.
His Japanese 64 3D actor, Kosuke Takaguchi.
His English 64 3D actor Jaz Adams.

The latter two being most likely to be Wolf's voice actors for Smash 4.

None of them are in the credits for 3DS IIRC.

Were any of Mewtwo's voice actors in the credits?

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

There are four actors that could possibly be meant by "Wolf's voice actor" in this context.
His Japanese Brawl voice actor, Mahito Ouba.
His English Brawl actor, Jay Ward.
His Japanese 64 3D actor, Kosuke Takaguchi.
His English 64 3D actor Jaz Adams.

The latter two being most likely to be Wolf's voice actors for Smash 4.

None of them are in the credits for 3DS IIRC.

EDIT:
Come to think of it, it's strange Kosuke Takaguchi isn't present, considering he voices Falco in 64 3D as well.
....unless Falco didn't get a Japanese voice change?
In that case, Mahito Ouba would be the one to look out for. Though he's not in the credits either.

So would the brawl actor be in Lylat cruise or something?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

So would the brawl actor be in Lylat cruise or something?

Probably

 

[Deleted member]

Were any of Mewtwo's voice actors in the credits?

Phillip Bartlett is dead.
Dan Green isn't in the credits. And he's retired from voice acting, IIRC.
Masachika Ichimura isn't in the credits.
Miriam Pultro isn't in the credits.
Reiko Takashima isn't in the credits.

So no. None of Mewtwo's known voice actors are in the credits.

So would the brawl actor be in Lylat cruise or something?

Unless the dialogue is redone to match Orbital Gate, he should be.
As should Fox's and Falco's actors.

 

[Deleted member]

EDIT: Delete this double post, please.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Phillip Bartlett is dead.
Dan Green isn't in the credits. And he's retired from voice acting, IIRC.
Masachika Ichimura isn't in the credits.
Miriam Pultro isn't in the credits.
Reiko Takashima isn't in the credits.

So no. None of Mewtwo's known voice actors are in the credits.

Maybe he got a new actor?

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe he got a new actor?

Or maybe, Mewtwo's actor isn't in the credits because Mewtwo's not in the game yet.

Edit: can't use "he" since it could end up being Femtwo.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Phillip Bartlett is dead.
Dan Green isn't in the credits. And he's retired from voice acting, IIRC.
Masachika Ichimura isn't in the credits.
Miriam Pultro isn't in the credits.
Reiko Takashima isn't in the credits.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification.

Or maybe, Mewtwo's actor isn't in the credits because Mewtwo's not in the game yet.

Edit: can't use "he" since it could end up being Femtwo.

I'd actually be all right with Mewtwo's female voice in Smash.

 

[whenUC_da_LIGHT]

my waifu fiora must be on this game

 

[LunarWingCloud]

Who does everyone think is the most likely (not most wanted) character to be DLC next?

Wolf, maybe Ice Climbers. Wouldn't mind seeing Isaac from Golden Sun though and there are many suspiciously absent pieces of content that could hint at a possible DLC involving GS.

 

[N3ON]

Purely being viable and probably close to complete on the Wii U doesn't make the ICs likely DLC characters, just because they'd be DLC doesn't mean Sakurai is going to abandon his philosophy about parallel rosters.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Purely being viable and probably close to complete on the Wii U doesn't make the ICs likely DLC characters, just because they'd be DLC doesn't mean Sakurai is going to abandon his philosophy about parallel rosters.

That's not the point most people are making. The general idea is, now that the game is over he can devote more time to fixing the glitches that he had with IC's. If anyone can do it, its Sakurai. He had them fully working on Smash Wii U, presumably even with 8-player Smash and 1080p, 60 FPS. IC's may need some tweaking to get them working on 3DS, and he just didn't have time before release to do so and get everything else done, but now he may have time to fix or change IC's a bit to make them work properly.

 

[Deleted member]

Purely being viable and probably close to complete on the Wii U doesn't make the ICs likely DLC characters, just because they'd be DLC doesn't mean Sakurai is going to abandon his philosophy about parallel rosters.

Sadly, this.
Unless the Ice Climbers were redefined as to have them work on the 3DS, the 3DS is going to prevent them from being DLC.

 

[N3ON]

That's not the point most people are making. The general idea is, now that the game is over he can devote more time to fixing the glitches that he had with IC's. If anyone can do it, its Sakurai. He had them fully working on Smash Wii U, presumably even with 8-player Smash and 1080p, 60 FPS. IC's may need some tweaking to get them working on 3DS, and he just didn't have time before release to do so and get everything else done, but now he may have time to fix or change IC's a bit to make them work properly.

He had a year since he first raised the issue of ICs presenting a problem, and even longer since he started working on them. Now they can try to fix something they couldn't get working the whole time the game was in development or they can cut their losses and not eat into time spent on developing other DLC.

Assuming they'd still be a priority kind of flies in the face of when Sakurai explicitly said they weren't a huge priority.

Sakurai is a good director and capable of a lot, but "if anyone can do it, it's Sakurai" has been said about things before that never came to pass, don't get your hopes up too high. If Sakurai couldn't get something working, you can bet he tried extensively before giving up, I mean, it's Sakurai.