Character Discussion Thread

[Diddy Kong]

If fan support was an important factor then Geno, Ridley, and K. Rool would be all in Smash.

So would Goku and Naruto.

 

[Weeman]

Outdated info remains outdated info no matter how you look at it.

Got 7 (technically 8) characters right? Nope, all lucky guesses, Gematsu is ded 100%, that's all folks, Dark Pits for everyone .

 

[Gold_Jacobson]

Guys Guys Guys...

Stop changing your profile pictures, I only remember most of you guys by associating with the avatar. Haven't been keeping track of names. I almost thought we had new people providing something new to the discussion.

 

[False Sense]

Hindsight bias? Hindsight bias.

Seriously, Sakurai said himself that Greninja's spot was a placeholder. Didn't that raise a few alarms? Moreover, he still got two characters right in his second leak, no matter how unlikely/likely they are, and his first list should have proven he's credible enough.

Let's not be hasty in calling the leak wrong.

Well, the leak was wrong. It's likely that the leaker did, in fact, have some sort of inside information at some point. It's debatable how much is actually accurate, so we shouldn't be too hasty in saying the leak isn't worth considering.

However, the fact is that the leak was wrong. It said Chrom would be playable, and he isn't. That's not debatable. And since it was wrong, we can't be sure that the rest of the information it "leaked" is accurate or not.

 

[ElPanandero]

The way I see it, Shulk and Isaac are pretty similar in chance of inclusion. Isaac has more concrete evidence for his inclusion, while Shulk's evidence are good indicators and not necessarily substantial. Regardless, I like both characters and would be happy to see one or both of them in the game.

I like reading your posts in Ron Swanson's voice, it makes it sound confident and intelligent everytime

And yea Issac>Shulk

 

[Spinosaurus]

Let's not be hasty in calling a leak that guessed Chrom wrong. Ok.

I know from experience that leakers get several things wrong. It's common.

Ever heard of cboat? lupinko? pokebeach?

Well, the leak is incorrect. The leak claimed Chrom would be a playable character, but he's confirmed to be part of Robin's Final Smash. Sure we can say it's outdated or whatever other excuses out there. But it's not 100% correct, therefore making it incorrect.

Did I say it's 100% right? I'm just saying it's not 100% wrong.

Outdated info remains outdated info no matter how you look at it.

Outdated doesn't mean wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly Isaac has more going for him than Shulk does.

AKA: Isaac was previously an assist but hasn't been shown in that role, Shulk has pretty much nothing.


I really would rather Isaac but if Shulk did get in I'd go with it.

So, Barbara the Bat confirmed?

Just as a reminder, none of Brawl's unlockable ATs have been shown yet outside of Shadow (whose requirement was to unlock Sonic, so....). Isaac not being shown yet is nothing special.

 

[ihskeyp]

Got 7 (technically 8) characters right? Nope, all lucky guesses, Gematsu is ded 100%, that's all folks, Dark Pits for everyone .

His first leak got 6/6. His second leak got 1.5/5 and then was proven false. Obv it's still correct because the first one was, right?

 

[Burruni]

I don't think "fan support" counts as substantial evidence for a character's inclusion.

If fan support was an important factor then Geno, Ridley, and K. Rool would be all in Smash.

Substantial? No. Nor does it make a character incredibly likely (as much as I'd love to see Geno).
I was stating that saying he has "Zero Chance" was absurd. He has clearly caught enough attention to be an assist trophy and has the moveset potential for more. I don't see Isaac becoming a fighter, but he has a chance since Little Mac proved that it is possible for an Assist Trophy to become more. I am merely saying that this equates to SOMETHING, however significant you may deem it.

 

[Rockaphin]

Did I say it's 100% right? I'm just saying it's not 100% wrong.

No you did not, however you did say, "Let's not be hasty in calling the leak wrong."
I'm simply responding by saying that it is indeed wrong.

 

[Weeman]

His first leak got 6/6. His second leak got 1.5/5 and then was proven false. Obv it's still correct because the first one was, right?

My point is that calling it dead and completely unsubstantial to speculation is just as foolish as when people thought of it as gospel and ironclad truth before Robin's reveal, we shall wait and see.

 

[Spinosaurus]

No you did not, however you did say, "Let's not be hasty in calling the leak wrong."
I'm simply responding by saying that it is indeed wrong.

...I just said that it's not 100% wrong.

Christ, we're arguing semantics at this point. Whatever.

 

[False Sense]

Substantial? No. Nor does it make a character incredibly likely (as much as I'd love to see Geno).
I was stating that saying he has "Zero Chance" was absurd. He has clearly caught enough attention to be an assist trophy and has the moveset potential for more. I don't see Isaac becoming a fighter, but he has a chance since Little Mac proved that it is possible for an Assist Trophy to become more. I am merely saying that this equates to SOMETHING, however significant you may deem it.

Oh, of course Isaac has a very real chance. He's far from impossible.

But the person you were responding to said that there was zero evidence for Isaac's inclusion, not that he had zero chance. There's a significant difference.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Got 7 (technically 8) characters right? Nope, all lucky guesses, Gematsu is ded 100%, that's all folks, Dark Pits for everyone .

It's still incomplete, and left out Rosalina and got Chrom flat out wrong. To assume Chorus Kids and Shulk are both all but confirmed at this point would be unwise. For all we know, they could get Chrom'd as well.

 

[Weeman]

It's still incomplete, and left out Rosalina and got Chrom flat out wrong. To assume Chorus Kids and Shulk are both all but confirmed at this point would be unwise. For all we know, they could get Chrom'd as well.

I agree, but let's not count them out yet either.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I agree, but let's not count them out yet either.

From the two of them, I see Shulk as the more likely. Chorus Kids seem like Chrom, a placeholder name for a character from the same franchise. Technical difficulties could hinder Chorus Kids greatly as well. Or they could've been skipped entirely, and reworked into Rosalina, who's also a duo character with her Lumas AND coincidently left out of the leak.

Shulk stands the greatest chance, cause he has no competition in his own franchise as far as I know of. However, the protagonist of X -if not Shulk himself- could eventually take his spot to.

 

[Oz37]

The battle of semantics is so real right now.

So, to sum up, Gematsu still has enough wins under its belt for it to still be taken into consideration, but with its glaring inaccuracy with Chrom, none of the unconfirmed information it provides can be taken as gospel.

As for Isaac/Shulk, both are entirely possible inclusions, but neither have been officially confirmed, so there's nothing to do but continue to speculate and debate.

... did I get everything?

 

[Masonomace]

@ Oz37 Ya did, in a nutshell, turtle in a half-shell
We may as well just mark every mentioned character that's not less-than-likely, 50/50. But where's the fun in that?

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Ehh, I don't really care about Gematsu at this point. Chrom was the only thing that I didn't like aside from character DLC. Shulk has good chances anyway, I don't case about Chorus Men and I never cared about Lucas.
I'm just REALLY glad that Robin and Lucina shut up the idiots who claimed that it would be "all we get." Which was ****ing stupid in the first place.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Isaac is badass, and would put Robin to shame with his combination of Psynergy and sword fighting. It's a match up am greatly looking forward to.

 

[Morbi]

My point is that calling it dead and completely unsubstantial to speculation is just as foolish as when people thought of it as gospel and ironclad truth before Robin's reveal, we shall wait and see.

Could it; perhaps, be because those who worshiped the leak as gospel are the ones who believe that the leak was refuted entirely? The same incompetent individuals that failed to recognize the the leak was not completely accurate (there were many inconsistencies) are the same people who believe that nothing else on the leak will happen.

 

[Masonomace]

Isaac is badass, and would put Robin to shame with his combination of Psynergy and sword fighting. It's a match up am greatly looking forward to.

You know what other great MU's I'm looking forward to?
vs.
vs.
So far, so hype.

 

[Rockaphin]

...I just said that it's not 100% wrong.

Christ, we're arguing semantics at this point. Whatever.

Yes, you JUST said that. I responded to:

Let's not be hasty in calling the leak wrong.

Saying that the leak is incorrect.
But sure, whatever works with me.

 

[pupNapoleon]

The leak could be 100 percent accurate! It does not mean that it was a leak, meaning, that it from an inside source, rather than lucky guesses!

In fact, the fact that the first Gematsu post said "predictions" should be a pretty clear indication that he was, in fact, predicting.

He got far more than Chrom wrong.

He got the timing wrong of... everything.
Palutena. Mii. Little Mac.

Also. Shulk.


I am not claiming he did not have an inside source, I'm merely stating that this person's ego was so full of itself that deciphering information potentially given to him, from that which he inflated, is something we cannot at this point tell, particularly when he was incapable enough to see things such as Chrom's position in the game.

 

[NeonBurrito]

Thing is with leaks, you pretty much get one thing wrong, and the whole leak is disproven, simple as that. Gematsu only got one thing wrong, being Chrom.

The thing is, Sakurai said that Chrom was considered for a character early in development, but he couldn't make Chrom different from Marth and Ike so he got the boot. Sal's (Gematsu leaker) information could have easily been straight from the beginning of development, making the Gematsu leak still a possibility.

It's funny though, because the leaker said that Shulk would be revealed the day Lucina and Robin were, deconfirmed the leak in it's entirety.

it's a good thing because the gematsu leak is dumb

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Hey Quick Question,
Was THIS

A Pic of the Day or was it one of those pictures that came with the huge image dumps?

 

[Weeman]

Could it; perhaps, be because those who worshiped the leak as gospel are the ones who believe that the leak was refuted entirely? The same incompetent individuals that failed to recognize the the leak was not completely accurate (there were many inconsistencies) are the same people who believe that nothing else on the leak will happen.

Don't think so, i'm sure False Sense always worshipped the leak anyways .

 

[FlareHabanero]

By the way, the only thing that demoting Getmatsu did was make speculation 10x worse.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

From the two of them, I see Shulk as the more likely. Chorus Kids seem like Chrom, a placeholder name for a character from the same franchise. Technical difficulties could hinder Chorus Kids greatly as well. Or they could've been skipped entirely, and reworked into Rosalina, who's also a duo character with her Lumas AND coincidently left out of the leak.

Shulk stands the greatest chance, cause he has no competition in his own franchise as far as I know of. However, the protagonist of X -if not Shulk himself- could eventually take his spot to.

The protagonist of X is completely customizable, and doesn't share the same...charm(?) as Shulk would. There's no reason to think he would get "Chrom'd", considering the reason Chrom got passed over because Sakurai thought he was lame. Shulk doesn't have that problem.

All of the people saying Gematsu is fake because of one inconsistency are frankly, incorrect. Leaks have been wrong about certain facts here or there for other games, like Pokemon X/Y. They got the typing of two starters mixed up, but 90% of it was correct. Does that make them a faker? Probably not.

Gematsu got Chrom wrong. Yes, he was wrong. On one part of the leak. He got Wii Fit Trainer AND Mii Fighter. People seem to be forgetting that. He leaked that Mii's were titled, "Mii Fighter" the morning of Nintendo's stream at E3, and it contained the exact same list as the second leak.

Him not getting Rosalina doesn't matter either, because the leaker never once said that those were all of the newcomers, and better yet, why leak a character everybody knew about? That doesn't make any sense!

Sure, he could be wrong. I'm not denying that. But the reasons I'm seeing aren't really damning. All I'm seeing is, "The things he got right don't matter. The ONE THING he got wrong was what matters." We aren't in the development team. We don't know what happened. Only time will tell with the Gematsu leak, and that's that.

 

[NeonBurrito]

Hey Quick Question,
Was THIS

A Pic of the Day or was it one of those pictures that came with the huge image dumps?

It's in Link's character profile on the site IIRC.

 

[Weeman]

By the way, the only thing that demoting Getmatsu did was make speculation 10x worse.

Nah it's always been pretty bad, even if Gematsu hadn't been proven wrong, people would still have flame wars about it's legitimacy until we got the full roster anyway.

 

[Rockaphin]

By the way, the only thing that demoting Getmatsu did was make speculation 10x worse.

Really? I think the opposite. After Gematsu, I think speculation became much more friendlier towards other characters. People that wanted other characters outside of the leak regained hope. I apologize if I misinterpreted your post.

 

[Weeman]

Really? I think the opposite. After Gematsu, I think speculation became much more friendlier towards other characters. People that wanted other characters outside of the leak regained hope. I apologize if I misinterpreted your post.

... That's actually what he doesn't like about it

 

[BluePikmin11]

By the way, the only thing that demoting Getmatsu did was make speculation 10x worse.

Everyone thought Gematsu plus the all veterans before the Robin reveal was the final roster, it was sad.

 

[Oz37]

The protagonist of X is completely customizable, and doesn't share the same...charm(?) as Shulk would. There's no reason to think he would get "Chrom'd", considering the reason Chrom got passed over because Sakurai thought he was lame. Shulk doesn't have that problem.

All of the people saying Gematsu is fake because of one inconsistency are frankly, incorrect. Leaks have been wrong about certain facts here or there for other games, like Pokemon X/Y. They got the typing of two starters mixed up, but 90% of it was correct. Does that make them a faker? Probably not.

Gematsu got Chrom wrong. Yes, he was wrong. On one part of the leak. He got Wii Fit Trainer AND Mii Fighter. People seem to be forgetting that. He leaked that Mii's were titled, "Mii Fighter" the morning of Nintendo's stream at E3, and it contained the exact same list as the second leak.

Him not getting Rosalina doesn't matter either, because the leaker never once said that those were all of the newcomers, and better yet, why leak a character everybody knew about? That doesn't make any sense!

Sure, he could be wrong. I'm not denying that. But the reasons I'm seeing aren't really damning. All I'm seeing is, "The things he got right don't matter. The ONE THING he got wrong was what matters." We aren't in the development team. We don't know what happened. Only time will tell with the Gematsu leak, and that's that.

I agree for the most part, but I think the big issue is the fact that he did indeed get something wrong. By getting that one thing wrong, it opens the door for the rest of it being, potentially, wrong. It can't be trusted. It's still useful for speculation, and everything the leak got right up to this point still earns a curious head-tilt, but there's still undeniable proof that it's inaccurate. That one inaccuracy throws suspicion on the whole thing, even if that seems unfair.

Ultimately, it shouldn't effect speculation at all. If it were a perfect world, anything unconfirmed and not directly refuted should be fair game for speculation. However, we live in an internet where one person's guess is often deemed to be "better" than another person's guess.

 

[Weeman]

By the way, doesn't Nightmare look pretty Badass in today's Pic? I think he does.

 

[False Sense]

Don't think so, i'm sure False Sense always worshipped the leak anyways .

I'm not sure why I'm being mentioned here...

 

[Morbi]

Everyone thought Gematsu plus the all veterans before the Robin reveal was the final roster, it was sad.

Not everyone.

I agree for the most part, but I think the big issue is the fact that he did indeed get something wrong. By getting that one thing wrong, it opens the door for the rest of it being, potentially, wrong. It can't be trusted. It's still useful for speculation, and everything the leak got right up to this point still earns a curious head-tilt, but there's still undeniable proof that it's inaccurate. That one inaccuracy throws suspicion on the whole thing, even if that seems unfair.

Ultimately, it shouldn't effect speculation at all. If it were a perfect world, anything unconfirmed and not directly refuted should be fair game for speculation. However, we live in an internet where one person's guess is often deemed to be "better" than another person's guess.

Objectively speaking, by getting one thing wrong, he got one thing wrong. It is not relevant that the rest of the information is potentially inaccurate. It is your prerogative to feel that way; however, it is not supported by any rational reasoning as the information has yet to be contested. You can choose to not trust it (a wise decision), that does not materially alter the notion that your opinion on the matter does not make it any more inaccurate.

 

[Weeman]

I'm not sure why I'm being mentioned here...

Of course you don't

 

[Masonomace]

*23 minutes later*

So guys, how about Dark Link?