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Intriguing prospect. I did support Balloon Fighter for Brawl (I was very young, you see) and I suppose I have always wanted him to make an appearance past a trophy. He has gotten a few allusions here and there, his own stage, even! I was not even aware that Alice was a character to be honest, I would be genuinely interested in having her as a playable character. She probably
has the same issue that Balloon Fighter has, however.
I personally never thought that three different Zeldas was an issue. Especially after almost having four in Brawl.
Why you do this?
What hints are you referring to? Enlight Arrow me.
I would be interested, I am not necessarily new, but I have not yet seen this move-set for him. I could always go to his thread, but that would be too reasonable. Muddy Mole is one of those characters that I never knew existed until I joined this site. So that is usually a sign that the character is going to be playable.
I dunno, all these characters getting their gimmicks that weigh on the hardware more reduced or removed, with a game Sakurai has already commented about technical limitations proving an issue for some characters seem to point to a reason other than balance. I mean he could've removed the transformation gimmick last time, but he expanded on it. Now it's cut entirely, resulting in the likely omission of two original characters and the idea for a gimmick Sakurai has held since Melee. You yourself just raised how these new gimmicks could very possibly interfere with the balance of it all, now you think it's a priority of Sakurai's? Look at all the new gimmicks he's added already, if he could've kept the old ones I suspect he would've, he kept other gimmicks.
Ehh, I don't have much to say about Muddy. Looking at the ATs so far it's pretty clear what his role is likely to be this time, which is perfectly adequate representation for him everything considered.
I think the biggest thing is that we know that she was considered to be in Brawl. That to me makes it seem like she might get considered again due to the fact that a big game involving her (Spirit Tracks) has since released. She could also be used to market the Wind Waker HD. If the Wii U version gets a Wind Waker stage, Toon Zelda could be there to represent a Zelda stage on both versions.
Interesting move-set, I have to be honest, it is reminiscent of Villager's move-set; albeit, you made this before Villager's reveal. It just reminds me of him, I suppose. The Final Smash is similar to Nook's family, the ball is vaguely similar to the tree that he plants (minus the throwing aspect, of course), the side-special is like the shovel (minus the... utility)... cabbages vs. turnips. I am not asserting that it is the same, it just reminds me of Villager. Okay, maybe it is nothing like Villager. That was just the sentiment that popped into my mind. The digging mechanic sounds interesting. However, I might be inclined to agree with N3ON. The digging ability is one of the only aspects of his move-set that is inherently different and specific to him. So he might be better suited as an assist trophy.For those who wanted it, this was made two years ago.
Muddy Mole
A: Right Claw Swipe 2%
AA: Left Claw Swipe 3%
AAA: Alternating claw barrage. 2% per hit
A Side: Muddy does a small punch. Can be performed in quick succession. 8%
A Up: Muddy holds his hands up like a goal post and jumps up. 12%
A Down: Muddy gets low and kicks at the opponent’s feet. 14%
Dash A: Muddy does a leaping somersault forward. 13%
Smash Side: Muddy does a strong headbutt. 18%
Smash Up: Muddy spins upward corkscrewing his claws.22%
Smash Down: Muddy spins low to the ground kicking up a small wave of dirt to both of his sides. 20%
Air A: Muddy does a small midair cartwheel for weak damage. 5%
Forward Air A: Muddy slaps the foe weakly in midair. 4%
Backward Air A: Muddy roundhouse kicks in midair. 7%
Up Air A: Muddy sweeps his claws in an arc. 4%
Down Air A: Muddy kicks the opponent down with both feet. Meteor-Smash. 9%
Grab and Pummel: Muddy grabs the foe and knees them in the torso. 4%
Forward Throw: Muddy kicks the foe ahead of him. 10%
Back Throw: Muddy spins the opponent and throws them back, similar to Mario. 8%
Up Throw: Muddy digs under the foe and hits them with a tack from underneath, sending them upward. 15%
Down Throw: Muddy slams his foe into the ground, kicking up some dirt in the process. 12%
His Neutral B would be the iron ball. Press B once, and it spawns, and stays on the ground in front of you. You can keep it there, and it will act as an unbreakable wall. However, if you press B again when you are close to the ball, you can throw it at your opponent! It will be very slow and not very powerful at first, but if you hold B, Muddy will charge up the throw, increasing the speed, distance, and damage. However, if the opponent hits you during start up, you will drop the ball. The ball will eventually disappear if A.) Too much time passes without you throwing it, or B.) You hit the opponent. Only one Ball can be present at a time per Muddy Mole. It does 15% when pushed forward with no charge, 22% when charged. Going backwards, it does 20% uncharged, and 30% when charged.
His Side B will be the Hole Trap. Muddy would crouch low, dig a small hole, and then be able to leave the scene. The foe wouldn't know where the pitfall spot is, under normal circumstances. When it is stepped on, they fall into a pitfall. Muddy cannot get trapped by this move. So yeah, it's the pitfall item, essentially. Muddy can have up to two of these out on the stage at any given time. 0%
His Up B would be the cabbage jump. After Muddy Mole defeats a boss in his games, he saves one of his children, who pop out of a giant cabbage that falls from the sky, and leap up with a corkscrew-like jump. Muddy would essentially do the same. A giant cabbage would surround him, and he'd pop out using a Wario-like Corkscrew. If used in Midair, the cabbage will fall to the ground, potentially doing damage, and possibly a meteor-smash. When used on land, it disappears after use. I guess you can call it a mix between Wario's and Sonic's. 16% with the corkscrew, 10% if the cabbage hits you.
Muddy Mole's Down B would be Burrow. Going underground was key in Muddy Mole's adventures, so naturally Smash should reflect that. He would dig a hole, and go underground. If used on a passable platform, he'd fall through it. While underground, he can move around very fast, but at the expense of not being able to see where he is. By releasing B, he will pop out of the hole, causing minimal damage. However, you only have a three second time frame to stay underground, otherwise you are forcefully removed from the dirt. This would make up for Muddy's lackluster aerial game.
Finally, his Final Smash would be the Mole Family. When the Smash Ball is obtained, Muddy whistles loudly. His children and wife appear by his side and burrow into the stage. Going with Muddy's theme of stage control, his family makes the entire stage shake with violent tremors. To make matters worse, if the foe gets hit by one of the descending moles, they will be put into a Pitfall state. Every two or so seconds, the tremors cause 6% damage to any foe on the ground. Tripping is also slightly more likely. The effect only lasts for 15 seconds, but Muddy himself is free to move about and perpetuate the foe's agony by keeping them grounded. After 15 seconds, the family emerges. Muddy's wife puts the baby moles in their wagon, and they disappear.
Taunts: Up: He adjusts his sunglasses with a shine and smiles. (With the clichéd *ding* sound of course)
Down: He digs a small hole and pulls out a small cabbage. He proceeds to eat it.
Side: He holds out his paw and extends his claws.
Kirby Hat: Kirby dons a pair of shades and a handkerchief.
Codec Conversation: Snake: Colonel, who's the mole wearing sunglasses?
Colonel: That's Muddy Mole, Snake.
Snake: Never heard of him. He's probably no big threat.
Colonel: Be careful, Snake, Muddy here can do something that no one else here can do. He'll dig right beneath you and hit you from the other side.
Snake: That's pretty cheap, wouldn't you say?
Colonel: Coming from the man who's fighting a mole, while using a ton of explosives...just make sure to watch out, Snake.
Snake: What else is there to watch for?
Colonel: Besides digging, Muddy can also launch giant iron balls. And bombs, too.
Snake: ...Ugh.
Playstyle: Basically, Muddy Mole is your trap user to the extreme. Block off certain spots with the Iron Ball, dig underneath it, and hit the foes on the other side is a pretty good tactic. If time is running out on it, throw it for good damage. Being a mole, Muddy is best on the ground, of course. Many of his smashes and throws are powerful. That being said, if you’re playing Muddy in the air for any reason other than recovery, you’re using him wrong. Muddy is just plain bad in the air. Low fall speed, bad aerials, and semi-lightweight an aerial fighter does not make. All in all, Muddy is an interesting character to play as, and will leave the opponents guessing as to which move he’ll use next.
Solid. I'll add her to my "don't be surprised if ____ shows up" list. haha
You know, would it be odd if I said I thought the same at first when I saw Villager?Interesting move-set, I have to be honest, it is reminiscent of Villager's move-set; albeit, you made this before Villager's reveal. It just reminds me of him, I suppose. The Final Smash is similar to Nook's family, the ball is vaguely similar to the tree that he plants (minus the throwing aspect, of course), the side-special is like the shovel (minus the... utility)... cabbages vs. turnips. I am not asserting that it is the same, it just reminds me of Villager. Okay, maybe it is nothing like Villager. That was just the sentiment that popped into my mind. The digging mechanic sounds interesting. However, I might be inclined to agree with N3ON. The digging ability is one of the only aspects of his move-set that is inherently different and specific to him. So he might be better suited as an assist trophy.
Regardless, it was a great read and I am inspired to make a move-set for one of my most wanted characters, Dark Pit.
WELL THEN.You know, would it be odd if I said I thought the same at first when I saw Villager?
I've been trying to get a different Side Special, especially, since then, but if I give him the Elbow Pipe, that's just another reflector. :/
As for the tree, I'd like to think that Muddy's iron balls are more permanent than the tree is, which fades quickly, and can't be moved around, giving Muddy a more stage control-like style.
If it was just about anyone else, I'd agree... but... it's Robin Williams.
I think Muddy may put our cute-to-gritty ratio back on track.For those who wanted it, this was made two years ago.
Muddy Mole
A: Right Claw Swipe 2%
AA: Left Claw Swipe 3%
AAA: Alternating claw barrage. 2% per hit
A Side: Muddy does a small punch. Can be performed in quick succession. 8%
A Up: Muddy holds his hands up like a goal post and jumps up. 12%
A Down: Muddy gets low and kicks at the opponent’s feet. 14%
Dash A: Muddy does a leaping somersault forward. 13%
Smash Side: Muddy does a strong headbutt. 18%
Smash Up: Muddy spins upward corkscrewing his claws.22%
Smash Down: Muddy spins low to the ground kicking up a small wave of dirt to both of his sides. 20%
Air A: Muddy does a small midair cartwheel for weak damage. 5%
Forward Air A: Muddy slaps the foe weakly in midair. 4%
Backward Air A: Muddy roundhouse kicks in midair. 7%
Up Air A: Muddy sweeps his claws in an arc. 4%
Down Air A: Muddy kicks the opponent down with both feet. Meteor-Smash. 9%
Grab and Pummel: Muddy grabs the foe and knees them in the torso. 4%
Forward Throw: Muddy kicks the foe ahead of him. 10%
Back Throw: Muddy spins the opponent and throws them back, similar to Mario. 8%
Up Throw: Muddy digs under the foe and hits them with a tack from underneath, sending them upward. 15%
Down Throw: Muddy slams his foe into the ground, kicking up some dirt in the process. 12%
His Neutral B would be the iron ball. Press B once, and it spawns, and stays on the ground in front of you. You can keep it there, and it will act as an unbreakable wall. However, if you press B again when you are close to the ball, you can throw it at your opponent! It will be very slow and not very powerful at first, but if you hold B, Muddy will charge up the throw, increasing the speed, distance, and damage. However, if the opponent hits you during start up, you will drop the ball. The ball will eventually disappear if A.) Too much time passes without you throwing it, or B.) You hit the opponent. Only one Ball can be present at a time per Muddy Mole. It does 15% when pushed forward with no charge, 22% when charged. Going backwards, it does 20% uncharged, and 30% when charged.
His Side B will be the Hole Trap. Muddy would crouch low, dig a small hole, and then be able to leave the scene. The foe wouldn't know where the pitfall spot is, under normal circumstances. When it is stepped on, they fall into a pitfall. Muddy cannot get trapped by this move. So yeah, it's the pitfall item, essentially. Muddy can have up to two of these out on the stage at any given time. 0%
His Up B would be the cabbage jump. After Muddy Mole defeats a boss in his games, he saves one of his children, who pop out of a giant cabbage that falls from the sky, and leap up with a corkscrew-like jump. Muddy would essentially do the same. A giant cabbage would surround him, and he'd pop out using a Wario-like Corkscrew. If used in Midair, the cabbage will fall to the ground, potentially doing damage, and possibly a meteor-smash. When used on land, it disappears after use. I guess you can call it a mix between Wario's and Sonic's. 16% with the corkscrew, 10% if the cabbage hits you.
Muddy Mole's Down B would be Burrow. Going underground was key in Muddy Mole's adventures, so naturally Smash should reflect that. He would dig a hole, and go underground. If used on a passable platform, he'd fall through it. While underground, he can move around very fast, but at the expense of not being able to see where he is. By releasing B, he will pop out of the hole, causing minimal damage. However, you only have a three second time frame to stay underground, otherwise you are forcefully removed from the dirt. This would make up for Muddy's lackluster aerial game.
Finally, his Final Smash would be the Mole Family. When the Smash Ball is obtained, Muddy whistles loudly. His children and wife appear by his side and burrow into the stage. Going with Muddy's theme of stage control, his family makes the entire stage shake with violent tremors. To make matters worse, if the foe gets hit by one of the descending moles, they will be put into a Pitfall state. Every two or so seconds, the tremors cause 6% damage to any foe on the ground. Tripping is also slightly more likely. The effect only lasts for 15 seconds, but Muddy himself is free to move about and perpetuate the foe's agony by keeping them grounded. After 15 seconds, the family emerges. Muddy's wife puts the baby moles in their wagon, and they disappear.
Taunts: Up: He adjusts his sunglasses with a shine and smiles. (With the clichéd *ding* sound of course)
Down: He digs a small hole and pulls out a small cabbage. He proceeds to eat it.
Side: He holds out his paw and extends his claws.
Kirby Hat: Kirby dons a pair of shades and a handkerchief.
Codec Conversation: Snake: Colonel, who's the mole wearing sunglasses?
Colonel: That's Muddy Mole, Snake.
Snake: Never heard of him. He's probably no big threat.
Colonel: Be careful, Snake, Muddy here can do something that no one else here can do. He'll dig right beneath you and hit you from the other side.
Snake: That's pretty cheap, wouldn't you say?
Colonel: Coming from the man who's fighting a mole, while using a ton of explosives...just make sure to watch out, Snake.
Snake: What else is there to watch for?
Colonel: Besides digging, Muddy can also launch giant iron balls. And bombs, too.
Snake: ...Ugh.
Playstyle: Basically, Muddy Mole is your trap user to the extreme. Block off certain spots with the Iron Ball, dig underneath it, and hit the foes on the other side is a pretty good tactic. If time is running out on it, throw it for good damage. Being a mole, Muddy is best on the ground, of course. Many of his smashes and throws are powerful. That being said, if you’re playing Muddy in the air for any reason other than recovery, you’re using him wrong. Muddy is just plain bad in the air. Low fall speed, bad aerials, and semi-lightweight an aerial fighter does not make. All in all, Muddy is an interesting character to play as, and will leave the opponents guessing as to which move he’ll use next.
Not necessary, but it would be a cool way to make him unique. Animation might be a bit harder for him, but if you ask me it would be worth it.
http://smashboards.com/threads/robin-williams-honorarium.364151/
Completely agreed. He wouldn't necessarily need ramps either to jump and platform comfortably, too. We can suspend our disbelief for a Smash Bros game.
I'd like a character such as Knuckles who does that just fine. Jill Dozer seems to be AT status again, to me anyways, could be wrong & don't mind that at all. The one who flies, will be MK? His wing-span seemed titanic compared to his size, despite it looking small in the 2D platforming. Stage-altering environment-dexterous characters are interesting & approve of any further additions AT's would bring, especially any newcomer ATs. @
~Krystal~
's idea of the inspiration from Mach Rider whipping out the bike like Wario does, is approved in my book. It's not automatically making Mach Rider full-blown clone either.
paper mario still has a ton of unique options imo. it didnt really hurt him much at all in my opinon.
Or Super Sonic or any of his spin-off storybook transformations including DarkSuper Sonic.
Captain Planet, he's our hero. Gonna take pollution down to zero.I'd like a character such as Knuckles who does that just fine. Jill Dozer seems to be AT status again, to me anyways, could be wrong & don't mind that at all. The one who flies, will be MK? His wing-span seemed titanic compared to his size, despite it looking small in the 2D platforming. Stage-altering environment-dexterous characters are interesting & approve of any further additions AT's would bring, especially any newcomer ATs. @
For environmentalists, you this too easy.
Groudon Kyogre & Rayquaza for Sm4shCaptain Planet for SM4SH!
Shucks, looks like they would have to give Bowser Junior a move set that actually represents his character, personality, and originality; a move set that reflects more than 1/230 of the Mario series; a move set that actually holds merit as differentiating itself from that of the other Mario characters we currently have. Gosh!
I really hate Sonic X.
Great idea! Who would you like to see? I'm too bias because I'd only pick partners from the original Paper Mario and TTYD.
But you'll love this. (btw skip to 8:00 if you wanna see why I'd post this & help change your mind, implying you haven't watched this yet).
To be fair, Robin's entire mechanic is restrictive at face-value in an environment where you would want all your tools at your disposal (and where most of your enemies will have all their viable tools ready for them to use); you're limited in what sword/tome you can use, and when your Levin Sword and tome breaks, you must wait for them to recharge and be in danger of being stuck with an inferior sword and tomes possibly disadvantage to the situation (Has there even been confirmation whether you can control what Tome you will swap to when another breaks?). It's reasonable to be a little worried and not far-fetched to think that he may end up completely impractical in the long run. Of course, straight up claiming that he will objectively be unviable without us knowing Smash 4's meta-game is going a bit too far, but I can understand Xenoblaze's concerns.
I would think Mach Rider always being mounted on his bike would be a far more interesting since your entire playstyle would be based around your vehicle's speed and momentum, especially momentum from dashing. I think that would be better then just whipping out the bike just to perform a select number of moves from time to time.
Another present wrapping journey!So gais, someone just leaked the Brawl roster to me...
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I super agree; except for Yoshi. I wanted Kamek. Now I fear Babies. And while they actually could be a really good team, I just would have preferred Kamek.
Typing my post out there because of Business decision.
I can very well live with this post. No Yarn Yoshi for Yoshi Universe is do-able for me. Kamek is also a decent character I'm fine with if Yoshi gets another slot. Yoshi & baby is. . .no. Mario & Yoshi like the Melee trophy? NOPLS, but a combination duo combo for Team Battle strategies, YESPLS. Bowser Jr. is approved by me. But the koopalings aka koopa kids. . .only as palettes for Bowser Jr..
