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I never thought i would read the words "hate" and Sonic" in a sentence coming from you unless "Don't" was in there too
.This is really counting the eggs before they hatch, but I'd assume Mewtwo would be DLC if for some reason he failed to make the initial roster. After that, Sceptile, Isaac and Paper Mario depending on their statuses. Captain Toad's got an outside shot also.
That's brilliant! I could definitely see something like that working if he was included.
Inkling, Captain Toad, and Sceptile if he doesn't make it in originally. Basically just characters from new games that started development after the roster was decided.
I'm sorry, but this is just a really ****ty post.So gais, someone just leaked the Brawl roster to me...
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Blaziken is boring and it has a bad Digimon-esque design, we also don't need TWO fire type starter Pokemon.
Didn't eggspect Pokemon to be the next topic
, but here goes:
I've heard of that "Captain Falcon clone" debate. I just don't think Sceptile is likely or that the detractions against Blaziken make Blaziken an unlikely DLC character.Didn't eggspect Pokemon to be the next topic
Your brief points about Blaziken promoting into Sm4sh via DLC are fair & solid. Torchic was a pokeball summon in Brawl, & with other appearances as a trophy, & a sticker? Not sure about the sticker being a statement but the same thing for Blaziken's chance to be playable DLC can contrast with Charizard Ivysaur & Squirtle. Despite them being a FRLG representation & a gimmick to themselves entirely, that's where the idea originated. Charizard & Blastoise were pokeball summons for 64, Venusaur in the mix starting out as a stage element in 64 & all 3 are pokeballs in Melee, then leading to the pattern of Gen 1 starters being in every Smash Bros. game to date until now. It's a good variable to consider for Smash playable status in favor of Blaziken since we have yet to see any Gen 3 starters as pokeballs in Sm4sh.
What you won't hear the end of is the heavy Captain Falcon clone debate, & being closely compared to being a mere mixture of Lucario & Charizard in one fighter. DLC can make exceptions though. I'm still rolling with Sceptile as playable in the game's roster or via DLC for my reasons.
I think that your statement translates to "I don't want a character, and I don't want two popular fire types (the most popular type in the game) because they share the same type". Please leave your bias out of this discussion. Also, how is a flaming chicken that can jump over a 300 foot building similar to a Digimon? (Please note I don't like Blaziken's design that much either)
I approve of Blaziken DLC, but the idea of approving of him in the finalized character roster, is impossible (for me). If I had to decide between Sceptile & Blaziken competing for that said certain DLC spot, ludicrous I know, hypothetically speaking, I'd say in favor of Sceptile getting more justice to be the victor.
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's post. Lmfao it's kind of true XD.
I now bring everyone to the next chapter of my ever growing essay on Sceptile's prominence in Smash:Didn't eggspect Pokemon to be the next topic
Your brief points about Blaziken promoting into Sm4sh via DLC are fair & solid. Torchic was a pokeball summon in Brawl, & with other appearances as a trophy, & a sticker? Not sure about the sticker being a statement but the same thing for Blaziken's chance to be playable DLC can contrast with Charizard Ivysaur & Squirtle. Despite them being a FRLG representation & a gimmick to themselves entirely, that's where the idea originated. Charizard & Blastoise were pokeball summons for 64, Venusaur in the mix starting out as a stage element in 64 & all 3 are pokeballs in Melee, then leading to the pattern of Gen 1 starters being in every Smash Bros. game to date until now. It's a good variable to consider for Smash playable status in favor of Blaziken since we have yet to see any Gen 3 starters as pokeballs in Sm4sh.
What you won't hear the end of is the heavy Captain Falcon clone debate, & being closely compared to being a mere mixture of Lucario & Charizard in one fighter. DLC can make exceptions though. I'm still rolling with Sceptile as playable in the game's roster or via DLC for my reasons.
So from this, we can gather:
You can argue they are different all you want; we can look at this as 'fire kicker' instead of sword wielder, and down to their build, it is just very similar. It could be done, but what is the point?
This tells us 'If another viable option brings more characteristics to mind that are more prominent, then I will look at that choice.' It is impossible to think Sakurai would not look at Sceptile. Let me not begin here...
Here we get to the point of it all; Sceptile does more for Pokemon than just adding another character. He adds the trinity, the marketing, the point of battling in the Pokemon games, and introduces that concept into smash bros. Adding Sceptile adds a conceptual level of Pokemon to Smash Bros, beyond just adding a character. It CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF POKEMON, and it is perfect.
If you can't see how Blaziken looks like a Digimon then I'm sorry for your vision problems. My point about its type still stands though, we'll get a grass starter before we get a second fire starter. Blaziken would basically be Lucario with fire effects and specials closer to Captain Falcon's anyway, that's not what Smash needs, it needs more diverse characters.
The only similarities between Agunimon and Blaziken is a fire motif and red color. The former's a demon humanoid while the latter's a bird man. Garudamon is admittedly closer in similarity due to being a bird man as well, but both still have many differences between the two that separates them.I approve of Blaziken DLC, but the idea of approving of him in the finalized character roster, is impossible (for me). If I had to decide between Sceptile & Blaziken competing for that said certain DLC spot, ludicrous I know, hypothetically speaking, I'd say in favor of Sceptile getting more justice to be the victor.
Also. Garudamon & Agunimon are sorta similar to Blaziken. I laughed reading @
I'm a fan of both and I barely see the similarities between the two, what does that make me?
Don't get me wrong, I love Digimon. I still watch the movie once a year to this day. Blaziken is just not interesting in any way, there a so many better choices and Sceptile the best choice if you're looking for a third gen starter rep.
No need to flame me for not thinking the same way you do. I have 20/20 vision, thank you very much.
How would Blaziken be a Lucario clone with this potential? Is Lucario defined by its fighting type to the point where Blaziken would even resemble him? Actually, how would he be a Falcon clone? Does Falcon burn people with his normals? Does Blaziken Falcon Punch or have any move similar to it? Does Blaziken conduct electricity from his Knee? Would Blaziken, a character from a game with a vast movepool in both of Blaziken's types (Fire and Fighting), be degraded to the level of a clone of a character from a franchise that hasn't had a decent game since F-Zerp GX?
That was not a flame in the slightest.
I think it is a little bit too early to be considering inkling for smash don't get me wrong splatoon looks like a interesting game and I hope for it to be a successful franchise but development for splatoon didn't start until they were in the middle of development for smash so that's why I think they want to wait and see how splatoon does before even considering inklings for smash (5 of course) sometimes popularity and relevancy plays a important role I'm sure in decisions sometimes it doesn't but we will never know with the man we have at the wheel of the bus of smash
GRASS RAPTOR v FIRE CHICKEN
So from this, we can gather:
You can argue they are different all you want; we can look at this as 'fire kicker' instead of sword wielder, and down to their build, it is just very similar. It could be done, but what is the point?
This tells us 'If another viable option brings more characteristics to mind that are more prominent, then I will look at that choice.' It is impossible to think Sakurai would not look at Sceptile. Let me not begin here...
Here we get to the point of it all; Sceptile does more for Pokemon than just adding another character. He adds the trinity, the marketing, the point of battling in the Pokemon games, and introduces that concept into smash bros. Adding Sceptile adds a conceptual level of Pokemon to Smash Bros, beyond just adding a character. It CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF POKEMON, and it is perfect.
Hmm... a character who can JUMP and shoot fire from his hands....
I understand if you don't like Blaziken and prefer Sceptile, I'm not debating that, I just don't agree with that excuse.
If it was, that didn't answer my question that I gave you. My question was why would the advertisements that Blaziken has been in not be attributed to it just because it was present in XY.@Arcanir
Is it you who I remember saying I did not address in regard to Blaziken?
I wrote my post above with you in mind, and was just going through the page the other day looking for the user with an 'A' name I did not fully address.
The counter-argument here is Sakurai doesn't do Pokemon's relevancy with the hand-held games to be fully accurate on specific moves. Sakurai would take the moves that only really matter to Blaziken like Blaze Kick & other Flame-based moves & implement them into Sm4sh. Yet Charizard using Rock Smash as a side specials move is something he couldn't of learned in the games before until later game installments. Any move in Smash Brothers that involves an arm, leg, or counter special, is not unique all on it's own to say Lucario & charizard can't use those very same attacks / moves. The way it's game-play is done, the animations, the knock-back, & the frame data / hit-bubbles of the moves will be what makes or breaks Blaziken.
Yesss the motif, the hair flown back, the color, & the way they fight excluding fire-breathing, makes them characteristically similar. Garudamon & Blaziken are just Fire birds being the only similarity, to me.
Pokemon & Digimon both are respected to their own designs with similar looks. However I'll have you know that Machinedramon is goddayum titanically beautiful android, I appreciate your fan-liking for liking both too.Your first paragraph should read my first post in reply to your first quote. Moving on.
When development started is irrelevant, we're talking about DLC. Considering how much popularity a lot of Nintendo's franchises owe to Smash, I think it's safe to say that they aren't going to be worrying about how well it does when considering an Inkling for DLC. It's a great way to market the game and help it be even more popular, and would be a huge missed opportunity in that sense.
well whatever I still maintain we wont see splatoon represented in any way until smash 5
Hypothetically for DLC, this kind of reminds me of Greninja's situation. Just a tad.
That's a good point! It probably just comes down to whether Sakurai thinks they'd be a good addition or not.
never cross a street without looking what I'm basically saying is it is too risky for them to waste time on a game which has not came out developing a character of a game that has not even hit shelves and if the game bombs which I hope it doesn't they would have wasted their time developing a character of game that bombed when that time could be spent making a character for a already known franchise
To that I say, Blaziken is not used as frequently. The new ad with Mega Metagross has Swampert and Sceptile, it does not have Blaziken. Just one example.
As I said in my post, there are options to do anything. There were options to separate Chrom if he wanted to. The point is that when you compare Blazike to Sceptile, there is no denying who the clear winner is when it comes to who screams 'more unique game play options.'
Nonsense!@ the part about development time affecting the decision.
If any first priority characters that didn't make the finalized roster so to speak, would just be touched up & finished tweaking with being ASAP DLC shortly after the game's release. Say a few weeks, a month or two?
On the flip side, spending a little dough to develop the character and add her into smash is a sure fire way to market the game and make sure it IS a success.
Happy because I would actually get a character I want.
it can be a guy too so inkling could be like Robin, Villager and Wii Fit Trainer
Herein lies another issue. Isn't the point of DLC to give the fans characters that are in demand? Why would they polish up the uncompleted ones, which are clearly not first priority if they aren't on the finalized roster, and offer up leftovers as DLC? I can see this making sense if they plan to crank out a lot of them post release, but I'm not sure that's going to be the case.Nonsense!@ the part about development time affecting the decision.
Eh, I wouldn't personally contribute some of those as similarities (for instance, Garudamon isn't primarily a kickboxer), but that's getting a bit too into that debate. Regardless, yeah there are some similarities, but those do not a Digimon make. Blaziken having those similarities to Garudamon doesn't make it a Digimon, it just means that there was some overlap in their concept, and it doesn't mean it's a bad Pokémon for having those (and vice versa for Digimon).
Thanks, and yeah, Machinedramon is awesome!I agree. . .I don't like debates that involve soley on which is better or who'd win in a fight, that's obvious.
You mean the video where they were used as cannon fodder? If that's the case, then Zigzagoon is the most prominent Hoenn rep as it was beat up by Pikachus five times in a row. Otherwise, there have been no advertisements that those two have been in that Blaziken was not.
And yet, it still appeared in other advertisements, such as this one. It did not disappear after the other two were revealed, it still shares the limelight with them.
That doesn't make any sense. Was Lucario not being prominently promoted in B2W2 because it was doing that already in DPPt? No, the Pokémon was still a very notable part of the advertisement in those games, it doesn't disappear because "it appeared before." Blaziken is still being used in advertising, it's still in the limelight, it's still showing up in the videos, so on and so forth. Saying its appearance in XY is a detriment (when really, it's the opposite as now its prominent in two games) is completely faulty.
Except it's already been established that Blaziken has unique options and that its not a clear cut argument for "uniqueness vs. popularity." Sceptile may have more options, but that doesn't mean that it'll be the only deciding factor, Blaziken has its points that could win it favor with Sakurai, that's the point I'm trying to make. Ignoring those and playing up Sceptile doesn't make the latter more likely, it just means you're not giving Blaziken enough credit.
