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Boss is the major/final challenge of one game. Mewtwo fits to this description in R/B/G/Y/HG/SS/X/Y games as Red is the final challenge of G/S/C/HG/SS games. I'm not sayin he's an antagonist. I'm saying he's neither a hero nor a good guy.
Because Medusa and Hades are too big
Except Dixie Kong is an actual stand-alone character who doesn't do all the same things as Diddy. Dark Pit is a straight up clone in his own game, so I find it laugh-worthy for you to say he has more potential than Dixie.
He's the straight up clone of someone with an arsenal larger than a redneck nut. That's potential.
That's not being evil. That'd be like saying hippos are evil for being highly aggressive animals that cause (if I remember correctly) the highest number of fatalities per year.
I think the only reason people seem to consider him an antagonist is for the movie, well that and maybe event 51 from Melee.
I agree with this.
He just uses a weaker version of Palutena's Bow. Plus, he's an exact copy of Pit; the only unique power he has is unlimited Power of Flight.
Coming from the same guy that argued Bowser Jr. Should get in over "flat Mario" because he's more important.
Again, I'm not saying he's evil.
Well it makes sense nontheless (about Dark Pit) honestly i don't really " full support" him as a clone, i mean i like the character and all but if it was up to me i'd rather have him be way different from Pit or having Hades, but at this point it's more of the fact that i actually expect him to be on the roster in a similar case to Lucina's inclusion, wich makes me think people just usually disregard him from speculation just because they don't like the idea of clones, wich i understand, but doesn't make him less likely.
Did you play Uprising? Firstly, Silver Bow isn't 'inferior'. It's shots grow weaker with distance but start stronger. Palutena's Bow is known for having weak standing shots but strong dash shots. They both have pros + cons and it's not like one is decidedly inferior like you claim.
Darkrai doesn't do it intentionally actually (unless we're talking about PMD Darkrai), it's been stated that his ability to throw those into terrible nightmares is a defense mechanism that it can't control. So it's more along the lines of Absol, a misunderstood being rather then a villainous Pokemon.
I agree, after Palutena's trailer, he was most definitely hinted in some form or another. What is debatable is how he'll appear. Will he retain his alternate costume status? Will he advance to a stage boss or Assist Trophy? Or will he really become his own character? Personally, I think he'll remain an alt costume, but more "advanced" than his Brawl costume. My next guess would be a stage hazard in the Kid Icarus stage. I honestly don't think he'd be his own separate character. Possible? Yes, but likely? Not as everyone makes him out to be. I think he'd have to be a secret character. However, I've heard numerous times that all newcomers will receive trailers, which I think will actually happen. I doubt Dark Pit would appear in Palutena's trailer and his own. I don't think a Villain/Antagonist trailer is likely either(which is sad because I'd love to see one.)
There's a difference between importance of games (NSMB vs Paper Mario) and importance of niche characters bud :^)
I think you ignored the fact that Pittoo can use a Dark Pit Staff, Pandora Claws, Silver Bow, EZ Cannon, Violet Palm, Ogre Club, First Blade, Darkness Bow, End-All Arm, Viridi Palm, Power of Flight, Eye Orbitars, and all the potential other weapons the game has over Dixie, who only has her flying ponytail. I find it funny for you to say she has more potential than Dark Pit.
I agree with this, i don't find it incredibly likely, but i do think that some people just don't even give it some thought because they just don't like the idea, wich causes all this controversy.
Meh.. But you understood the point.
I think most Dark Pit fans are apathetic towards him, actually. Main reason I'm willing to defend him is that he has a (imo unjustified) hate base that use blatant falsehoods to justify his disclusion. He could not get in, but it won't because he lacks moveset potential/isn't visually distinctive/not popular. He just won't have gotten in for the same reason 90% of other characters didn't get in. Not enough space. Main reason he shows up in rosters a lot is because people are expecting at least a couple more clones and he's very logical in that department.
Pittoo has the same potential as Toon Link. Having potential doesn't mean they'll bring something new, because any of those things Pit can use, too. Dixie's ponytail whirl is an entirely new mechanic and can be used in so many ways, that makes her a character that stands out a lot. Pittoo, however, has the EXACT SAME potential as Pit. There lies the problem. Its not something that's exclusive to him.
So why wasn't Bowser Jr. an Assist Trophy over Waluigi who only appears in Spin-Off titles? This was around the time that the original New Super Mario Bros. was one of the top hits and Galaxy(another HUGE hit) was released one year prior. Bowser Jr. was at one of his higher points at this time! :^)
I have no idea what you're trying to prove, so OK bud.
That depends on how do you see potential, in fact Toon Link also had potential to be different from Link, usng the Deku leaf to float, the skull hammer for a flashy finisher, and even manipulating the wind for a final smash. Dark Pit has enough potential to be diffrerent, since all the different weapons from uprising are at his disposal and if they can all work different from Pit's though i agree that despite this potential he'd most likely be a clone if he was in. Just like Dixie could get her "potential" wasted and be a clone if Sakurai decided to.
Still he could use different weapons, the functions of his special moves could be the same as Pit, just only different properties.
Comparing Pit+Dark Pit to Link+Toon Link is apples and oranges. Toon Link may have his own unique stuff, but he doesn't need it to establish a niche. He's smaller, lighter, faster, just in general has different physics which separate him as a character. A far better analogy for what type of (clone doesn't really convey the message, so I'll use 'related character' instead) the duo would be is Fox+Brawl!Falco or Fox+Wolf. The first relies on some different attacks in addition to minor tweaks, the second more or less just takes the 'original' as an inspiration.
That a game being more important than another doesn't necessarily mean that a character will or should be chosen over another.
Sakurai has contradicted himself before, we wouldn't have Villager or Mii's if he went with the same ruling of them being too peaceful.
Well his Cerulean Cave encounter in gen 1 kind of has him pegged as the unofficial "final boss" of pokemon b/r so he's kind of villainy.
Toon Link was a clone because Sakurai and the team wanted him to be, he COULD have been different, even if they had some "rule" that he had to be linked to link (pffftt) that doesn't mean that if they wanted to, they couldn't have made him a unique character.
Toon Link is still as much of a clone of Link as he was in Brawl.
Could've, should've, would've.
Well not really, by that logic Red would also be a villain, he was just a "final challenge" kind of thing.
Pay attention to this part the most. It's probably the part where it nulls your argument about Toon Link.
Well like, did I say otherwise? lol
I don't see how listing a bunch of random crap automatically makes Dark Pit somehow better.
Yes but my point is that Toon Link wasn't bound to be a clonebecause of some sort of rule, just like Dark Pit isn't bound to be a Pit clone either, but Toon Link was and Dark Pit would probably be simply becuase that's easier to develop.
She does have more potential, the only things Dixie Kong has in common with Diddy are her size and species (they're both chimpanzees; I know Diddy Kong has a tail, but that's presumably an error). Otherwise, she's entirely unique. Plus, she has unused data on Brawl's disc (and it's been revealed that she was intended to appear alongside Diddy as a "tag" character, but scrapped because of time constraints and the SSE), is a largely significant Donkey Kong series character in her own right, and has tons of popularity. Dark Pit is simply exactly what his name suggests: a dark version of Pit.
I remember a debate way back when where you did say something along those lines.
It's possible that he didn't want to change him. Maybe he thought Toon Link differentiated himself enough to not merit changes.
Do you mean the rival by Red? In which case everyone kind of views him as the antagonist of pokemon so yeah, I consider them both antagonists at the very least
