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Not a Sheik player so not sure about the ledge cancel now, but I would assume it no longer works after that patch given you can no longer do things such as running off edges and snapping ledge while Yoshi throws an egg and etc. Would also assume as such given never seen Sheiks implement edge cancelling it so I would presume as such. But again I'm not the one to ask.
9B's placement was a shock to both Trela and I. It was sad.
Of all the characters you could pocket for Villager, it's Falco and even then, you're better off pocketing some other character like Fox, Mario?, or Sheik for Villager. Why? Because they at least do well against the entire cast and can be used for other MUs instead of just one. It's been debated whether Falco goes even or slightly wins against Villager, but here's the big problem: how many top Falco players are there? None. How many good Falco players are out there? About 7-ish - throwing out a number. Now, how many top Villagers are out there? There's notably, Ranai. Maybe Ryuk and FOW who used to or still plays Villager could join? Good Villagers? Probably like other characters in that 5-10 range. FOW is a fantastic player and if FOW counter-picks with Falco against Ranai, he needs to play out of his mind and know the MU from Falco's standpoint. FOW might be better off sticking to his guns with Ness.
dittos Larry and wins so I think Larry will get 7th and VoiD will go close with FOW i think. If Ranai for some reason loses to FOW, Ranai will destroy VoiD
Yeah but.. you know... pocket
representatives in doubles top 8, There weren't any clouds in top 8 singles.This.
I find it interesting to note that while there were 3
Prehaps Cloud is a better doubles character than singles character? Komorikiri vs Mr. R looked pretty convincing.
This.
He is undoubtedly better in Doubles just empirically (his kit is so ridiculous there), but we had two Cloud secondaries (who used the character in relevant matches) and won with him.I find it interesting to note that while there were 3
Prehaps Cloud is a better doubles character than singles character? Komorikiri vs Mr. R looked pretty convincing.
This.
The tree is practically a checkmate too. Basically forces Ness to recover as closely as possible and even then the Villager can just be waiting by the edge with a bowling ball. Utilt and usmash cancel out a lot of Ness's ledge options too so countering Villager's defensive edgeguarding options is really hard for him too.
Implying Cloud is a particularly nuanced and intricate character, and doesn't just get by on superior mobility, disjoints, and frame data?
Cloud's results as is are remarkable to be so good so quickly. Only MU that's really looked problematic has been Sheik, and even that's not all that bad. He's pretty clearly overtuned and needs to be nerfed in the next patch. For that matter, so do Sheik and Zero Suit, since right now they're a cut above the other high tiers. Maybe not drastic nerfs, but nerfs nonetheless do need to happen, as even with all the power creep this game has gotten those two characters are still a cut above.I find it interesting to note that while there were 3
Prehaps Cloud is a better doubles character than singles character? Komorikiri vs Mr. R looked pretty convincing.
This.
If any chars meta can be fully fleshed out in a month then this game is truly degenerate, shallow and a waste of time.
But Earth doesn't exist anymore, so how are we still alive?
For a pretty straightforward character you'd think he could carry a player of Mew2King's caliber past ****ing Big D.
is still pretty stupid in singles, and Komo still has wins on Edge and Rain. That being said, what Mr-R did to him cannot be ignored. Why would Komo go Sonic against Marss's ZSS? It's kind of baffling since he has a losing record in that MU anyway. He might have put up a better fight with Cloud.: the writing was already on the wall, but this guy looks like a top 20 character for sure. In fact, I'm ready to say that he's better than Ike/Yoshi/Peach and comparable to Wario/Luigi/Falcon (i.e. he's a contender for top 15).: Yeah, I thought 1.1.1 meant a lot for this guy, but it turns out it didn't and he's definitely struggling to keep a spot in the top 10. Increased safety on a number of moves matters little in practice because that was never his issue to begin with. The Mario MU is actually looking bad enough that Pika appears to fall in the "theoretically should have a secondary" category with Ness/Villager. #SolidSenseWasRight sucks., you need to know the matchup, and big D is not some bad player, i will more worried if mew2king past top 32 with , a one month character.
is gone. Again. He made 1 top 8 throughout 2015 at a major, I think. [FireFly at PAX]
Are you even understanding the Planet joke I said there?
I can already hear the sounds of several keyboards typing a passive aggressive post on 200 words.
Speaking of
Yup, genesis was a failure boizAlso,
I think he's too honest. He lack the overwhelming assets the top tiers get, [Sheik's neutral, Luma, Zss's punishes, Banannas, Ness's easy combos and back throw, Ryu's Combo game. Mario's safety and lack of exceedingly bad options, a giant sword, Sonic's Speed, etc.] He's too honest, and he has to work much harder than a lot of the other characters where we've been grouping him with to do anything.
Saying that is not respecting Big D as a player, and if Big D was using even if he was using
are characters that are very strategy minded but I'd argue it's an uphill battle for all three. For specifically, my thoughts based on my experience with him (he's currently my fifth most played character): is overrating him.
Dedede is a character who's extremely limited in neutral and has no real approach to speak of, but has amazing ledge traps and punishes mistakes brutally. He's also very scary once he's up a stock because he's so hard to kill. If you get a lead on him and are willing to lame him out, he's garbage. Big D's a great player, but if anyone actually knew the D3 MU at a high level he would not be able to perform so well because the character is very limited, but he punishes MU ignorance brutally.
The good:
-Can kill super early if you get the right reads.
-Aside from Wario, probably the safest recovery of the heavier characters.
-Amazing reach.
-Awesome shield grab.
-Dthrow is great at low percentages.
-Point blank gordo does a whopping 25%.
-Good onstage and off stage edge guarding options.
-Takes forever to kill him.
The bad:
-Gordo can backfire all too easily.
-Lots of ending lag on his most reliable kill moves.
-Terrible aerial mobility.
-Slow as balls on the ground.
-Crap landing options.
-Despite its safety, recovery is fairly predictable.
-No reliable kill throws.
-Approach options are virtually nonexistent.
The ugly:
-Basically only one real out of shield option that's still easy to punish.
-Can get juggled to oblivion.
-Easily overwhelmed by fast characters.
-Forced to approach by anyone with a decent projectile or reflector.
-Possible to get killed by your own gordo in extra humiliating fashion.
I'd write out an essay on Jab into whatever (downB isn't true, it's a matter of if the player screws up royally) but Imma do the lazy way instead.Yoshi's grab sucks, throws suck, eggs are easy to avoid (offline), approach options are meh on shield.
I feel like what determines how good he is if jab->kill combos (smashes, downB?) are true, as well as how hard to avoid landing with command grab is. He seems decent in a lot of areas, like his recovery is hard to punish because he can airdodge through most edgeguard attempts with his amazing airspeed, and the frame data/hitbox/power on some of his aerials is amazing, but if people know the matchup, it doesn't seem overwhelming like the true top tiers are. I thought Yoshi was possibly Kirby's hardest matchup at one time, and it's still extremely hard, but once you get used to him you know how to work around some things. Gotta watch out for the hurtbox shuffle when he pulls back for Fsmash, gotta watch out for frame 7 (!!!) Yoshi Bomb, which kills Kirby at like 90%, and have to be careful attacking his shield, because Nair/tilts are quite good OoS options if your spacing isn't perfect.
He kinda seems like he struggles to get KOs. How true is Jab->KO?
I can understand Yoshi being a decent character, but I think
I can agree with this.
yeah, we're at SSB64 Loser's finals.
if what i'm hearing is correct, 64 has to end before we get to watch smash 4. it was predicted to end around 5:30, but i think it'll be later than that.
