Incom that's an interesting turn-a-round. It's seems to me you are just waiting for a leap on either of us.
You're forgetting the possibility that Air could be an independent. But you're right though, I think Air is more likely town, than you at least.
Sincerely doubting the possibility of an indy, since we already caught one, and again, there's no major difference between a mafia of one and a SK.
I don't get what you mean you feel I just played a really good game and slipping under radars. I'm not sure why Swiss, X1, and others have seen me as town but I guess it's just because they see that I'm doing my best to catch scum. I don't understand why you think I'm scum because people have known me as town throughout the game.
I've had my feet held to the fire, by EP (for whatever it's worth) and to a lesser extent by Cello and (even earlier) Smarg. Air had his feet held to the fire by GLG (possibly others I don't recall). You've had your feet held to the fire by...... looks like it's gonna be me. Not necessarily a scum tell, but a good place to start, no? Also, if you're so obvtown... why aren't you dead?
The thing is if EP and I were scummbuddies, the game would have been ended yesterday as that would mean you and Air would be town. Swiss was down with lynching either Air or EP. Swiss would have followed me if I pushed for an Air lynch. My, Swiss, and EP's votes or your vote would have lynched Air and me and EP as scumbuddies would have won the game. It would have been dumb on my part as EP's scumbuddy to set the lynch on him rather Air.
See my previous post.
Swiss was not going to vote for Air toDay.
Incom if you do happen to be town please show me why you are and why Air is not.
Or why you're scum. Y'know.
I really don't think Air is more likely to be scum than you are. It's difficult because both of you guys are so reserved.. but I think I need to stick with the read I had on Air throughout the game and my read on you. We've lynched 2 scum in a row now, and I've never gotten this close to being alive and winning as town.
I've also never been this close to being alive and winning, regardless of faction. Although "I'm close to winning" is a poor reason to lynch somebody.
So if you ARE town please show me that you are. If I screw this up I'm going to hate myself forever >_<
*cough*
Air I'm thinking that you are the town at this point, but I still have my doubts. If you are town than all I can say is that I am as well and that it would be a mistake to follow incom and lynch me.
This sounds familiar.
Don't know what else I can say, but you guys are lynching the wrong guy. way to let someone coast their way to a scum victory. =/
you have been wishy washy and inactive all game, but you haven't done anything particularly scummy to me, and I think so even more after seeing EP's flip. Where as Incom has been suspicious all game.
... wishy washy and inactive is apparently a scum tell for me but not for Air?
-Much of the game Incom's post have been focused on mechanics rather than scumhunting. His post #21 has been in my head since D1. It was basically a speculation post on how many scum could be in the game, and it was just weird. I think he made such a post because he knew how many scum there were and was trying to give off that he didn't know by "looking at all the possibilities".
Dunno why people think it's scummy. Trying to show my logic for why I thought three scum was the most likely scenario.
The reason why I think this is the case rather than really just trying to speculate is because he went far into posting an unlikely scenario such as there being 4 scum. Yes, this is his first game, but Incom, as he mentioned D1, has read through many other games and had a pretty good idea of how mafia works. It's further confirmed of his knowledge of mafia by the fact that he knew terms such 'FoS', 'EBWOP', and others (terms I didn't know into deep into my first mafia game).
As mentioned above, I had to look some of these up (FoS, Lylo, EBWOP had to be looked up, and I think OMGUS but in retrospect I'd have to have been rather dumb to not figure that one out). Knowing basic terminology does not make you a master of the game.
So based on his knowledge of mafia, it seems out of place for him to speculate something as extreme as there being 4 (3 I can understand, but I've been working on 2 pretty much all game as 3 is still alot) scum which really makes me think he was just trying to show that he was clueless about how many scum there were when really he knew.
And as it turns out, with GLG and Cello factored in, four scum wasn't too far off the mark. Two mafiosos plus a traitor and an indy... I generally use "scum" as a blanket term for all antitown factions, if that clears anything up.
-All game he has been over worried with what people thought of him even when people weren't calling him out for anything.
Laughable. People not calling me out... suuuuure. EP (again, FWIW), Cello, Smarg have all questioned me, in addition to a general "slight scum" sentiment all game. You've been nearly unquestioned up until toDay (though I toyed with the idea yesterDay).
I don't feel as town he would be this cautious of everything he did. As town, people aren't focused on what people think of them, they are focused on what they think of others.
Am I "people"? Have you somehow, over these past few weeks, based on a few paragraphs on an internet forum, delved that deeply into my psychology? Nobody wants to get lynched, regardless of alignment.
Where as scum is more focused on what people think of them and getting people to think things of others. Two major places Incom shows this is D1 when he kept announcing that he was leaving and that he woulld be back to post more later. I could see this as just noobie incom thinking that the discussion is always lie, but again I bring up his knowledge of the game and how he has read other games so he would know that discussion isn't always live.
Discussion was quite active at the time. Didn't want anyone thinking I was running off, no? (X1 actually called me out for having to go once, briefly.)
Plus of the fact that not everyone was online and posting all the time, and no one else was announcing that they were leaving and would bbl. This is why I think it was more scum incom being catious of people knowing if he was online or not. Another point of incom being unnecessarily cautious was during d3. Incom voted for glg early at put him at l-1, which shows that he wanted him lynched. Later on Swiss told him to unvote which he did. Then when the day was coming to end, incom refused to hammer glg and his reasoning was that if he did then people would think that he was scum.I think Incom as scum didn't want responsibility for being the hammerer of someone who he thought was town (as he wouldn't have know that glg was actually scum because he was a traitor). This is why I think he was willing to vote him earlier (putting him at L-1 , yet saying that he shouldn't be hammered), but not later when he would be the hammerer and thus be seen with more responsibility for the lynch.
Skim less.
No, I'm being dead serious.
This has been an issue with me all game. I dislike hammering earlier than I have to because I like to squeeze as much as I can out of a Day. This was an issue back when we were going after DH! How many times to I have to explain it?
This is also the second time YOU've brought it up! (#819 through #840ish)
-Most of the game I was speculating that if one of EP and Incom were scum then the other would be town, because of their back and forth. But looking back at it really looks more rehearsed/planned out. Incom and EP were both being seeing seen as scummy D1 as in Swiss' #99. As a scum team this would just be bad for them, which is why I think why they started distancing themselves from each other. It was immediately after Swiss stating suspicion of the both of them that EP first stated suspicion of Incom. And it was in response to Swiss asking who should be the play. From then on Incom pretty much targeted Incom which and I think it was to super distance themselves from each other because of the good possibility of at least one of them being lynched. They wouldn't want the other to be lynched consequentially. And as I mentioned before I think this is why Incom just randomly dropped his suspicion on Incom D4 for no reason. As it was lylo/mylo and simply lynching someone else would have won the game so there wasn't much more need for their distance.
I actually didn't even notice that with Swiss' #99 (but it's funny how you say I've been coasting yet acknowledge this). I don't really have anything to say other than that it was not orchestrated (inb4 "Riiight.") and I didn't start going for EP until, like, D2 I think it was.
-Incom's last post yesterday shows bus to me. Earlier in the day he wasn't certain on anything and actually like EP more than he had before.
Because he was finally gonna hunt for scum where the scum was? A big chunk of my suspicion was the fact that he was on my case all game and didn't contribute much elsewise.
Then once me and swiss determined EP would be the play he suddenly get's certainty that EP is scum and it's looks so fake to me.
Nonono. You wanted me lynched first, as I recall it. (It's late, I could be wrong.) Your logic was "I'm town, Swiss is town, one of Air and EP is town, therefore Incom+the other is the scum team. Incom is 100% scum so he goes first." Exhibit A:
Deadline is tomorrow. I'm going to vote incom.
You then quickly changed to EP, pretty much because Swiss said "let's go for EP toDay". Which, funnily enough, is exactly what you accuse me of doing. I was on EP for good pretty much as soon as Swiss posted his results. See #812.
Neither me or Swiss was even certain that we were making the right choice and Incoms sudden certainty makes me think it a last moment bus. And also why I think why he came into toDay targeting you Air, hoping that I would go along thinking him town for voting EP and you as scum for not. And seeing that I am not simply going along and think you he is scum rather than you, he is know turning to me in hopes to convince you, yet he didn't even read anything new or come out with why I would be scum.
Remember, yesterDay you were considered sure-town, for whatever reason. Swiss was Town. That meant EP and Air, from my perspective, both had to be scum. Then EP flipped Mafia Hitman, and while I focused on Air at first, it took me some time to realize that Air would not have roleblocked Smarg if he was scum with the hitman. (Herp derp, I know, but others have done worse. Cough, Swiss getting DH modkilled, cough.)
So yeah I'm really thinking Incom over Air. There is still even more reasons why I think Incom to be the scum. Air I'd really like you to review though and tell me what you think. And please answer the questions that Incom asked you. I'm not voting until I know that you're making effort and are actually have reasoning for your thoughts rather than scum just waiting for me and Incom to vote each other. I
Quick question: you cut off your sentence here. Is this a typo, or did you have something else to say?
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Yikes, that took forever. And I probably still have more to say... too bad I need to sleep...
