Jerodak
Smash Lord
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Zapp Branniglenn
so basically we can stock lucario then just hang out center stage and shield? If so, then we should probably rate the match-up as ""
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With shield drop its more like -31. Who does a point blank d-smash?Quoting because I ran the numbers through and the 16% hit of dsmash is -39 on shield.
It's even more horribly unsafe than I originally thought...
Doesn't matter. Perfectly spaced Dsmash is still punishable by Klaw or Bowser Bomb.With shield drop its more like -31. Who does a point blank d-smash?
i spent about an hour testing auraless lucarios kill percents on Bowser, the main things we need to watch out for are aura sphere, force palm ,double team and all his smashes, if we play it safe we should be able to live upwards of 250, sorry I would put in spoilers if i new how(still somewhat new to smashboards), these were all on 3ds FD, we would want to take lucario to a stage with big blastzonesBut yeah, aura-less lucario is helpless. From the center of FD, none of Lucario's moves could kill Bowser until he was at 160% with Fsmash. Following that, Usmash kills us at about 180, and everything else requires us to be well past 200.
Hey man, relax. With how insignificant shield stun is in Smash 4, a lot of characters have moves with 30 + frames in the negative for block advantage. Shields are supposed to be amazing when you block something because they're so garbage when the enemy's move whiffs or they come in for a grab instead.With shield drop its more like -31. Who does a point blank d-smash?
This is not the social thread, but man, I had the wildest craving for paper mario the other day. I loved the first two, I'm just not the type to replay games compulsively, especially when I've seen all there is to see.I don't really know how many frames it takes to crouch cancel jab though, but I can have a look.
But I should probably verify my formulas first before I talk more, and I feel like playing Paper Mario instead of doing that.
"Eyyyyyy!" is not a recognized rating for matchups.@ Zapp Branniglenn so basically we can stock lucario then just hang out center stage and shield? If so, then we should probably rate the match-up as ""
This reminds me of that joke about the guy who goes to the doctor and says "It hurts when I do this..." and the doctor says, "Then don't do that."True. However my other point of it being a whiff punish and counter poke is still very valid. I would not advocate Ryus running around d-smashing shields. He has better options if he actually sees a shield.
That's my take on the Swordfighter-Sheik MU.A smart Sheik just camps Bowser with needles. She has literally no reason to approach. This forces Bowser to approach, and when you overcommit, you get punished hard for it.
It's so gross.
Yeah, that's a pretty good mix-up.Sounds like the perfect parry + grab Os would be useful here.
Perfect shielding always makes a difference. No shield stun and no shield pushback.Yeah, that's a pretty good mix-up.
@ Zapp Branniglenn I've had Fortress (and certainly grab) OoS lose to an auto canceled DAir -> DSmash from Falco. Not sure if a power shield would have made a difference here.
There a ton of specifics about both of those matchups in this very thread, but you'll have to go through all the pages to find it :/How does Bowser do against Luigi and Villager? (I'm looking for specifics not just "he does good/bad") thanks
Maybe, it can be trick to fortress oos properly vs some attacks.