Captain Falcon's Match-Up Database! | (General Discussion); UPDATED: April 18th, 2010

[lordhelmet]

how can you convince against marth has a ****ing sword?

Marth COMPLETELY out zones falcon. falcon can't fight against fair dtilt and jab unless marth makes a mistake. if you need marth to make a MISTAKE to start racking up damage then your character is clearly out matched... completely.

Completely? Don't make me laugh. Utilt, dtilt, nair, and uair have a word to say to you.

Utilt's disjoint will hit Marth out of his dtilt (if spaced properly), and FK/RB will either hit Marth or the attacks will clash (with Marth's dtilt.)

Fair is a problem but nothing's stopping us from walking up and shielding it.

And Marth's jab is slow.

I'll post more later.

 

[Steel]

so i was writing a post, then i realized i was wasting my time.

80:20, 75:25 at best. if you put it any better you're giving the community false information. Marth clearly destroys falcon in every facet. bye

 

[lordhelmet]

Loooool, so you think Marth is as bad for us as MK. Really now?

 

[Player-3]

no, he's worse than MK

 

[lordhelmet]

No, he's not. That's not even logical.

I'll just wait for Darky.

 

[Player-3]

it's very logical

mk falcon is only 70-30

 

[†Slader7†]

Marth ***** us hard

his DS kills us if we try to gimp him, his Fair destroys our options and his sideB does us good damage

In the MK vs Falcon MU, we have a Grab Release on MK and our Falcon Kick breaks MKs B moves

In the Marth Vs Falcon MU, we have nothing on Marth (as far as I know) and Marth's Fair outranges our Falcon Kick

It would take extreme patience to let Marth make a mistake (which they rarely do) and get through his wall of Fairs and swords

However, I do enjoy using Nair in this MU as its fast and sets up pretty good

80-20 imo

 

[Acedude55]

Change vs Zero Suit to 30-70

 

[lordhelmet]

I've told Darky to change it to 35-65 but he still hasn't.

And Marth's fair only ***** us in the air and offstage. Falcon Kick goes through (or clashes) with all of Marth's ground attacks as well.

 

[Player-3]

even shield?

 

[lordhelmet]

P3 quit trolling. I'm not telling anyone to FK while Marth is standing there, but when he's in an attack.

 

[Player-3]

FK doesn't travel fast enough for that unless marth is like
LOLOLOL IM GONNA DSMASH OR FTILT LOLOL

 

[bigbucks]

P3 for best falcon troll?

You can't catch me P3, i'm buying a ticket to las vegas.
*atp3inaib>_>

 

[teluoborg]

Lol Marth is not harder than MK

1-his attacks have some lag, not much but still more than any of MK's attacks
2-Falcon has a chance against Marth offstage, not against MK
3-Marth's recovery, while really good to counter gimp, isn't really good to counter edgehoggers

And lord Falcon kick doesn't beat Marth's Fair, it can get through because of the timing but it will not make it clank

And then again, you don't need Marth to make a mistake to get through his wall of swords, you just have to know when his attacks begin and end.

 

[mlorenzo]

about the falcon kick, the kick can go through the Marth's Side B and falcon right and down tilt clank with marth side smash and you can use up b to fight against marth fair, but the best option is just perfect shield it.

 

[lordhelmet]

Lol Marth is not harder than MK

1-his attacks have some lag, not much but still more than any of MK's attacks
2-Falcon has a chance against Marth offstage, not against MK
3-Marth's recovery, while really good to counter gimp, isn't really good to counter edgehoggers

And lord Falcon kick doesn't beat Marth's Fair, it can get through because of the timing but it will not make it clank

And then again, you don't need Marth to make a mistake to get through his wall of swords, you just have to know when his attacks begin and end.

"with all of Marth's ground attacks as well."

Notice I said it beats his ground attacks, not aerial attacks.

 

[Megavitamins]

FK has a bunch of start up, you won't catch a marth attacking with it unless they are EXTREMELY predicitable with it.

Shield > falcon :V

 

[Ramzeh]

These last few pages go like this.

Falcon is a bad character, and Marth has too many advantages over us to justify a better match-up ratio. It's because Marth destroys our aerial and ground game with his disjointed hitboxes, plentiful approaches, semi-low lag attacks and overall better balancing.

I'm terribly sorry.

omg p3 stop trollin falcon r top tier

-sigh- I wish people weren't so stupid and didn't play WiFi ever. Also, the game.

 

[Darxmarth23]

okay u use FK against marth

and see what happens

80-20 done deal

 

[teluoborg]

Soooooooooooo, has anyone in this thread ever played Falcon/Marth in an offline tournament set or am I the only one ?

Cuz it sounds like I'm the only one lulz.

Also <3 Ramzeh

 

[Darxmarth23]

Soooooooooooo, has anyone in this thread ever played Falcon/Marth in an offline tournament set or am I the only one ?

Cuz it sounds like I'm the only one lulz.

Also <3 Ramzeh

Ich habe .

 

[Player-3]

i play marth and falcon

so yeah

 

[Ramzeh]

<3 teluoborg

i play marth and falcon

so yeah

time paradox

 

[Killua]

Marth ***** us hard



80-20 imo

Lol . 70-30 ok but not 80-20 ...

Upthrow and aua are good against marth

 

[Ramzeh]

Lol . 70-30 ok but not 80-20 ...

Upthrow and aua are good against marth

UThrow has like, no follow-ups.

Marth aerials beat Falcon UAir.

Thanks for actually contributing.

 

[lordhelmet]

Assuming Marth is above you, his dair will only hit you if you're slow as balls.

And with a uthrow you just have jump after him>wait for the airdodge>uair

 

[Ramzeh]

Assuming Marth is above you, his dair will only hit you if you're slow as balls.

And with a uthrow you just have jump after him>wait for the airdodge>uair

His FAir goes under him too.

and if you jump, you eat fair too.

 

[Willz]

when a falcon mainer lrns how 2 do the willz combo any MU is 100:0 for falcon!!!

 

[Player-3]

willz is right

 

[Ramzeh]

memories man

 

[Willz]

i had sausages today cuz its sunday n i hav roast dinner very nice my grandma made them i happy now smileyface

 

[BigLord]

Agreed with 25-75. And only because he's easier to GIMP than MK, if he had a better recovery we'd be toast.

 

[Killua]

UThrow has like, no follow-ups.

Marth aerials beat Falcon UAir.

Thanks for actually contributing.

LOL . I play a lot against Marth , and his ADA < our Aua .

 

[teluoborg]

Killua **** yeah !
Now 2/3rds of the French Falcons are posting on the boards.

And Ramzeh Uthrow has no follow up ofcourse, it's a zoning tool used to put opponents in Falcon's best zone.

Because no matter what Uair is still Falcon's best move and Marth doesn't obliterate it like MK does.

 

[Darky-Sama]

I'm leaning more toward 30:70 against Marth.
25:75 being the worst.

Marth's aerial game is far more pressuring than our own, but we still have a shield and up air when it comes to his Fair pressuring. Up tilt can safely out-space quite a lot of Marth's options, both aerial and grounded.

Range and pressuring are the two biggest factors here. He certainly isn't Captain Kill Potential though. Unless Marth lands a tippered Fsmash or manages to gimp, Falcon should be able to live around percents as low as 130%+.

I'll add more to this later.

 

[Player-3]

Hey.
Guiyz

Marth has a shield too, and 50x better options out of it

 

[bigbucks]

P3, You main a manly an a gay character?

wtf is wrong with you? o.o

 

[Willz]

nothing is wrong with him, he's a smart player lol

 

[bigbucks]

Stfu willz, you'r combo is overrated

 

[Darky-Sama]

Yeah, both of my mains are manly, lesbian bounty hunters with electricity flowing through their nipples.