Captain Falcon's MANLY Matchup Guide/Discussion Thread Week 16: Yoshi/Sonic

[mario brawler]

can I fight you!?!?I've been asking all this time
I really want to witness a Falcon that can fight mario as 4-6 matchup
I find Falcons extremly easy
I cant imagine Falcon having the same amount of trouble with Mario than he does Samus
im not trying to sound negative or anything, but this match up should atleast be 35-65, mario has it waaay too easy on this one

 

[Ayaz18]

uhhhhh

lag-fi is gay

ask knee he plays a lot of online, the lag is craptastic!

 

[mario brawler]

I see, I just cant confidantly see this as a 6-4 matchup
I wonder if you guys are fihgitng scrubs or if im fighting scrubs lol

 

[Darxmarth23]

I'm okay with 6-4.

 

[mario brawler]

6-4 is just silly lol, someone prove meh wrong DX

 

[t3h n00b]

How can you say mario, samus and fox are all equally as hard to beat..
The fact is, the ratios are incorrect.

So what are the ratios? I personally have no idea, but it seems that people have been saying around 40-60 for all the characters but you disagree, what are your opinions?

 

[Darxmarth23]

6-4 is just silly lol, someone prove meh wrong DX

Then i would say 7/3. I don't know too much about he match up but its what i would say.

 

[Noodlehead]

can I fight you!?!?I've been asking all this time
I really want to witness a Falcon that can fight mario as 4-6 matchup
I find Falcons extremly easy
I cant imagine Falcon having the same amount of trouble with Mario than he does Samus
im not trying to sound negative or anything, but this match up should atleast be 35-65, mario has it waaay too easy on this one

stop underestimating falcon. mario is not on the same difficulty level as ddd, it is not that hard to kill mario

edit:

Then i would say 7/3. I don't know too much about he match up but its what i would say.

whoa,thats just rediculous

 

[Judge Judy]

CF doesn't have very good options against Mario, but he does have options and I'm not sure I agree with 70:30 in Mario's favor. I honestly think this match-up is either 60:40 or 65:35 in Mario's favor because of the reasons I stated earlier.

 

[Noodlehead]

CF doesn't have very good options against Mario, but he does have options and I'm not sure I agree with 70:30 in Mario's favor. I honestly think this match-up is either 60:40 or 65:35 in Mario's favor because of the reasons I stated earlier.

yeah,agreed 60:40. 65:35 is just too much, look at the other ratios. it just wouldnt match.

 

[SaltyKracka]

yeah,agreed 60:40. 65:35 is just too much, look at the other ratios. it just wouldnt match.

You're an idiot.

 

[Darxmarth23]

Then i'll average out my two statements. 65/45 seems satisfying.

I personally like putting deviation into my match ups.

60/40 to 65/35.

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

Then i'll average out my two statements. 65/45 seems satisfying.

I love you.
Homo or no homo man, you decide.




On a different note, whoever the mario main that is clamoring for a match, add my FC:
1676-3369-1990
and then post here or something when you're on, so I can play you.

Here's to hoping wi-fail won't lag us

You're an idiot.

NOU?

 

[Ayaz18]

You're an idiot.

your name speaks for itself.

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

your name speaks for itself.

watch out, he's gonna dtilt ya!

 

[ThatGuy]

Ayaz, he's awful. Please don't base our playstyle on that :/

EDIT: I can't say he's awful because I've never met him, but...come on, that video was worse than DBR no-DI oldschool vids.

 

[Wogrim]

I see, I just cant confidantly see this as a 6-4 matchup
I wonder if you guys are fihgitng scrubs or if im fighting scrubs lol

In any matchup discussion, it's most likely both, whether or not each side realizes it.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

From what I see here, almost ALL of Falcon's match-ups are better than Ganon's. I still don't see why Falcon still isn't put above Ganon, on the tier list.

 

[SaltyKracka]

From what I see here, almost ALL of Falcon's match-ups are better than Ganon's. I still don't see why Falcon still isn't put above Ganon, on the tier list.

Because we still deal with OLOIT'SGANONDORF and accept it, while these guys refuse to. Matchups are determined by people, not machines.

 

[Wogrim]

From what I see here, almost ALL of Falcon's match-ups are better than Ganon's. I still don't see why Falcon still isn't put above Ganon, on the tier list.

Shhhh... That thread's still a few weeks away.

 

[Ayaz18]

knee honestly shut some of these Mario players up, just play them online for a bit and wreck them

I have OFFLINE TOURNAMENT expereince against Mario's, the best iv played is that lkp guy........I showed you his CV as that's the only way i remembered him by.............

6/4 Mario's cape doesn't do sh*t anymore, and his fireball is his only means of an approach

 

[Zeallyx]

knee honestly shut some of these Mario players up, just play them online for a bit and wreck them

I have OFFLINE TOURNAMENT expereince against Mario's, the best iv played is that lkp guy........I showed you his CV as that's the only way i remembered him by.............

6/4 Mario's cape doesn't do sh*t anymore, and his fireball is his only means of an approach

I will see what I can do. I have quite some mario experience (one of my IRL friends mains mario and we play quite often)

Does any mario main wanna brawl against me later tonight?

 

[Judge Judy]

6/4 Mario's cape doesn't do sh*t anymore, and his fireball is his only means of an approach

The cape reverses momentum now, I'm pretty sure that's something; if you don't know what the cape does, don't know what to tell you. Also, fireballs help control approach but they're not exclusively Mario's only form of approach. Again, this match-up is either 60:40 or 65:35 in Mario's favor.

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

Because we still deal with OLOIT'SGANONDORF and accept it, while these guys refuse to. Matchups are determined by people, not machines.

We don't try to argue matchups with one move that doesn't stop all options even.

Ganon's dtilt != tornado

honestly, you've even said yourself that you're biased against falcon, perhaps the one that should be accepting it would be YOU.

 

[SaltyKracka]

We don't try to argue matchups with one move that doesn't stop all options even.

Ganon's dtilt != tornado

honestly, you've even said yourself that you're biased against falcon, perhaps the one that should be accepting it would be YOU.

We don't either, even though you seem to (stupidly) assume that's the whole of our argument. You also need to learn how to =/=.

Honestly, I've said that from all I've learned about Falcon, Ganondorf beats him. However, we of the Ganondorf boards tend not to go in for overweening optimism, and we tend to listen to posters from other boards, too.

 

[Player-3]

jesus christ what happened while i was asleep...

this is like that time i went to the kaatskill mountains and got bewitched by bowling faries

 

[mario brawler]

On a different note, whoever the mario main that is clamoring for a match, add my FC:
1676-3369-1990
and then post here or something when you're on, so I can play you.

Here's to hoping wi-fail won't lag us


NOU?

cool, I'll be on all day today, my FC should be up there >^

 

[Ayaz18]

finally, now have we decided Fox's fate?

6/4 also right? in the back-room I posted an easy way to kill off Falco and this should work against all spacies as their grab releases are the same.

 

[Darxmarth23]

I love you.
Homo or no homo man, you decide.

No homo. Please.

finally, now have we decided Fox's fate?

6/4 also right? in the back-room I posted an easy way to kill off Falco and this should work against all spacies as their grab releases are the same.

I'm good with 6-4.

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

We don't either, even though you seem to (stupidly) assume that's the whole of our argument. You also need to learn how to =/=.

Honestly, I've said that from all I've learned about Falcon, Ganondorf beats him. However, we of the Ganondorf boards tend not to go in for overweening optimism, and we tend to listen to posters from other boards, too.

Pfft, != is a programming language for does not equal. since / doesn't work on some chats, I use the programming version. Means the same thing, still.

Lets not get into a flame war, I notice I have a short patience about arguments I deem silly. We'll discuss this later, when the matchup pops up again. Till then, lets call it a truce.

I hope.

I'm getting online to play the mario brawler dood.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

We tend to listen to posters from other boards, too.

*looks at your history*

... right...

 

[Roager]

finally, now have we decided Fox's fate?

6/4 also right? in the back-room I posted an easy way to kill off Falco and this should work against all spacies as their grab releases are the same.

Yeah, we got Fox extended cuz nobody talked about him last week. Guess there's not a whole lot to say. I'm okay with 6/4.

I think Mario's gonna end up as 60-40 or 65-35. Not sure which.

 

[Majora_younglink]

It probably will from what I can tell Noodle. So is everyone alright with a 6/4 Fox and a 65/35 (maybe 6/4?) Mario?

Also more indepth analysis needs to be done on both sides in my opinion.

 

[Eazy23]

My mario vs yes!'s falcon, 2 of the best players in Jersey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLLEkrgM4zI&feature=channel_page

 

[Wogrim]

It probably will from what I can tell Noodle. So is everyone alright with a 6/4 Fox and a 65/35 (maybe 6/4?) Mario?

Also more indepth analysis needs to be done on both sides in my opinion.

I still think Mario is easier than Fox.

My mario vs yes!'s falcon, 2 of the best players in Jersey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLLEkrgM4zI&feature=channel_page

What's Jersey?

I kid, I kid. More vids would be nice, regardless of how underwhelming he played.

 

[Dxkid]

out of all i say Mario is 60/40

hes not that hard at all the only that makes him is if YOU make it hard your self

the only thing i say is the problem is cape and fireballs that **** is just annoying

 

[F5Hazardousdoc]

My mario vs yes!'s falcon, 2 of the best players in Jersey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLLEkrgM4zI&feature=channel_page

*facepalms*

I'm not gonna write an essay on how lulzy that falcon was playing. The uairs in the middle of nowhere struck me as if he were doing it compulsively :|

 

[t3h n00b]

Lol and he started off with like 6 straight nairs kinda weird...

 

[Mit]

Haha, wait, 6/4 Mario, that means we win 60% of the time?

You guys haven't played any good Marios, which isn't surprising, he's low tier, just like how most people haven't played many good Falcons.

Well a buddy of mine mains Yoshi and Mario, and I'll tell you what, Mario ***** Captain Falcon. As people have said, fireballs and cape. I can do well against Mario if he approaches me, but all my friend has to do is start playing more defensively, and it becomes impossible. Fireballs can stop just about any Falcon approach. Ground, air, over the ledge, anywhere. And recovery games are almost lost on Mario. Every time you recover you have to go either very low, backwards, or very high. If you try coming near him you'll get caped everytime (if the Mario is good). And when Falcon's recovery gets caped, he's pretty much dead everytime.

His approaches are good in most cases as well, again, because of the fireballs. Fireballs can lead into combos for Mario. Also, when Mario is coming down from the air, Falcon doesn't **** as usual, mainly because Mario has some great moves with big range, such as his dair and fair (I swear dair will stop any move you try on Mario in the air). When he's below Falcon his uair is very good as well, and comes out fast, even faster than Falcon's.

Also, he can get jabs out between our jab>jab>grab combo before the grab if they time it well enough, which is a crucial part to Falcon's game.

He's also good at finishing, with his quick stutter fsmash, which can nearly be combo'd into.


Trust me, you all haven't played a good Mario, much less one who knows how Falcon plays I'm sure. Don't even try to pull online crap either. Mario has priority, range, and gimping on Falcon. Every one of his strengths pretty much applies to Falcon. I'd say the matchup is easily 30/70 in Mario's favor. It's an uphill battle every time I have to face him. I may try making some videos sometime for you all.


EDIT: It looks like most people were saying 60/40 in Mario's favor, which is much better. Really I'd still say 70/30. There are many characters I'd rather face as Falcon other than Mario.

 

[eRonin]

Face it, anyone with a projectile>>>...>>> Captain Falcon.
Mario and Fox win against Falcon
Mario 6-4
Fox I would say 7-3, not because of his projectile but because reflector pwns falcon kick/raptor boost...it pretty much renders two of his attacks totally defunct. Aerials are also better. Less range but Fox has the aerial speed to close in on Falcon, fast.