Captain Falcon

[jaytalks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QghzltwLm8#at=147

I saw this video on Kotaku and wanted to share it with you all.

Captain Falcon's new Final Smashes!

 

[Gabe Hartzog]

That is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen....

 

[GuyWithTheFace]

#28 NEEDS to be his new Final Smash. Or the one where he runs carrying the Blue Falcon.

 

[MagnesD3]

What are some changes you all would like from Captain Falcon?

Heres what I want:

- Lessen Lag from stopping your run

- Falcon Punch is faster and can now be turned around earlier and late, If done fast enough you can also turn around twice.

- Forward Tilt is now like the old foward A in original smash brothers, has good KO potential.

- Melee Knee is back

- Falcon Kick has slightly faster startup and less lag time when done from air to the ground.

- Extend B Over's range and Kill potential

- More Knockback from Up smash

- More Knockback on moves in general

- Give Mash A melee priority

 

[FalKoopa]

The Falcon Punch should have armour frames. That would make it a safer attack.

 

[BaPr]

#9 is the best arrow use I have ever seen, it was just amazing.
#27 WTF!!!
I wish the intro was his FS where a bunch of Captain Falcons are just running through and killing everything. It would be the most hilarious thing ever.
Also, armor frames would be good.

 

[Louie G.]

I love Captain Falcon as is, although I don't play as him too much.
I would like to change around the Falcon Punch just a little.
1. Make it faster, so it's more useful as a whole.
2. If it is faster, nerf it just a little, so that it isn't OP. I guess the slow speed is made up for by the damage given by the Punch, but I would rather have a faster but a little weaker Falcon Punch.
3. Make it great for Horizontal Recovery by giving it good distance in the air. The Falcon Punch isn't all that useful off the ground, so let's make it so it is!
Change Falcon this way, and he will be unstoppable.

 

[CardiganBoy]

Seriously, i cant wait to see Captain Falcon in HD i will cry that day.

 

[Phan7om]

Changes I want. (Some have been said already)

• Melee Knee
• Melee "Gentleman"
• (Aerial) Falcon Kick refreshes Double Jump
• Change F-Tilt in some way, give it more knockback
• Give the Falcon Dive (YES!!) more K.O potential (As strong as Ness's Back Throw)
• Falcon Punch *Heavy* armor... not super armor. (Its the same as Snakes Cipher)

 

[ShichibukaiJimbe]

I would like if Falcon returned to the starting roster instead of being an unlockable this time, since he's the main rep from his series

 

[MSmariosonic]

We need Douglas Jay Falcon in HD!!!

 

[Medaka444]

Don't know what to say about the Knee Smash. It's hard to land - that's kinda the point - even in Melee. But it still felt like that attacks, and maybe some other attacks, were a bit too difficult to land. Nerfing the sweetspot's knockback while buffing the sourspot's knockback is probably a bad idea.

 

[SchAlternate]

Falcon Punch in HD glory...

YES YES YES YES YES

 

[HarryTheChin]

I would like if Falcon returned to the starting roster instead of being an unlockable this time, since he's the main rep from his series

This man deserves a quote.

Because I agree with him.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Don't you gouys just love the feeling you get after a succesful knee smash?

 

[Thor]

Yes I love landing Knees so I want that feeling a whole bunch more (there needs to be a "Nothing but Knees" video made for SSB4, like for Melee).

MagnesD3, I'd rather see SideB have same or less knockback, to maybe let it combo more easily (Raptor Boost -> Knee is so shameful but so funny). I would like to see Raptor Boost keep the "bounce" when you nail an aerial opponent.

Even less lag on Uair (maybe by just two or three frames though). I wanna do Smash 64 combos. Add a small disjoint around his body (like a Snake utilt), or at least fix hitboxes.
Actually fix hitbox placement in general.
Fsmash needs less delay upon releasing the smash (more like MK or Falco's Fsmash release).
Dsmash should kick faster (to better punish fast rolls - can always charge a bit for punishing slow rolls).
Heck, make his Utilt his SSB64 upsmash - unless someone wants to tell me the utility of his current utilt that I barely understand - utilt could have decent knockback scaling so it combos into itself at low percents, sets up air strings at mid percents, and can KO around 160ish (maybe - not sure about percent).
Usmash should still slide out of a dash, but make it near insta-stop on release (for better aiming? don't know about this one - might just be horrible at Brawl Falcon)
Knee needs Melee hitbox and maybe even a little extra size on sweetspot.
Yes to some sort of non-Super armor on Falcon Punch (or even better, make first X frames (maybe 10) jump/shield/grab cancellable on start-up - THE MINDGAMES!) Maybe some super-armor just a few frames before (and during) the actual punch. Keep it reversible. More IASA frames after it.
Other buffs suggested by others I generally agree with.

He's too manly and awesome to suck anymore. Fix him up and let's see a top 5 spot on the tier list.

 

[GetBentSaggy]

He just needs a strength buff

 

[Thor]

Maybe he only needs a minor strength buff but I'd love to see Captain AWESOME be on the roster.

More ideas (implementing all of these including last post might be busted - just some would be awesome though)
ftilt angled should be a meteor (spike?) hitbox if angled down, albeit not a strong meteor (I'm thinking about 75% knockback of Brawl Falco dair, although maybe more or less), but with a small disjoint so that properly spaced it intercepts people recovering low (should only be around tip of foot though). Imagine Falcon edgeguards then:

Fox: (on fire charging) FI-
Falcon: (sticks foot out)
Fox: -YA OH SHI- WAAHH!
Falcon: (salutes camera) Show me ya moves!

More stuff:
I still think utilt should be ssb64 usmash (though a bit weaker, as described in previous post one above this).
Yes to Falcon Kick restoring jumps - I'd also not mind seeing a shorter kick (ground and air) because it means his recovery is better.
Raptor Boosting someone's face should let you use a special again (like Falcon Diving someone). It should also grab ledges (maybe).
More knockback on Falcon Dive (not 64 knockback, but at least 15% damage and KOs at like ~140%?)
Falcon Dive has a sweetspot easier (by that I mean more forgiving/harder to guard) than in Melee (if not like Brawl's sweetspots), because it's pretty predictable.

 

[UzakiuzuG]

I would like if Falcon returned to the starting roster instead of being an unlockable this time, since he's the main rep from his series[/quote] .

I see what you're saying...but I enjoy him being an unlockable. Why? Thou with out enough power shalt not team(use) with Captain Falcon. Plus I enjoy when it says A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES, you see the figure get all giddy THEN you play on a level of his which is usually followed up with some kick@z music.

Changes: Knee sweetspot needs to be a bit longer.
Change. Dynamic bone crushing elbow into his 64 Kick
His Brawl Up smash is fine it just needs to be harder to avoid. Killing with it in serious play is near impossible.
D- Air needs the stomping power of Ness's spike.
Not really asking him to be S or A tier but I'd like to see him B+C+ range. I'd be highly upset if he was at the bottom again

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I support Captain Falcon returning as a character on the starting roster under the condition that he is the only character unlocked at the beginning. Every single other character has to be slain by the good captain before they are awarded the blessing of being able to be selected in his presence.

 

[Z1GMA]

*Speaking directly to Captain Falcon*:
When will you show up, Captain!?

 

[Cookiemonsta]

Okay why do y'all care so much about him being a starter? You guys will have a fully unlocked roster in like a week or so anyway. I think it'd be awesome as **** to have only new characters available at first, AND THEN you unlock your favorite veterans. I think it'd be more epic that way plus it would force you to learn the new characters a bit before you decide to stick to your old guns like most people do.

Edit: ok maybe not only new characters lol. That'd be bad
Also:

The Falcon Punch should have armour frames. That would make it a safer attack.

Totally agree. I said the same thing in the Ganon thread.

 

[SchAlternate]

Okay why do y'all care so much about him being a starter? You guys will have a fully unlocked roster in like a week or so anyway. I think it'd be awesome as **** to have only new characters available at first, AND THEN you unlock your favorite veterans. I think it'd be more epic that way.

Actually, I'd rather have it reversed. I find it more fun to unlock a character you had absolutely no idea they were in, rather than characters you already now they will appear. It's just the surprise factor that really captivates me.

As for him being starter, well, he was a starter in Melee and it fitted better than him being unlockable, so there's that.

 

[Cookiemonsta]

Well yea. I agree. But at this point there is absolutely no surprise that megaman or wiifit trainer, etc. is gonna be in it. They should do like half new, half old.They should leave SOME suprises for us to unlock for sure. Like a Jiggs clone for instance... ---> Boo the ghost would make me hit the floor.

 

[Thor]

I don't support a Jiggs clone (like, Boo would know Rest? And since when would Boo use Rollout?). And yes only new characters would suck, cuz then at this point I'd have to play Mega-Man (...) cuz I don't want to play WFT (I'll try her I guess...) and I'm not really interested in the Villager (there'll probably be more new people but you only have 3 characters for now...). I think Falcon can be either actually - SSB he was unlockable, SSBM he was a starter, Brawl he was unlockable - I think the Captain could be either, but just PUT HIM IN THE GAME ALREADY SAKURAI!!!

P.S: In support of not only new people being default unlocked, Mario/Pikachu/Link/DK/Yoshi/Samus/Fox/Kirby(/Zelda/Sheik/Bowser/Peach) should all be starters - maybe more should be too (this list is not at all rigorous) but that's the original 8 'staple' characters and 4 (in my opinion) now 'staple' characters and they should all be playable straight off.
Also SSB 64 usmash should be his new utilt - just gonna keep saying it and hope it comes true.

 

[Louie G.]

A faster Falcon Punch would be nice.
You can even make it a little weaker, but make it faster and I may just have to main the good ol'
Cap.

 

[Cookiemonsta]

I may just have to main the good ol'
Cap.

You mean you don't already.

 

[Thor]

Why are you here if you don't main the Captain in any of the games? Was he not cool enough in SSB/Melee or something?

EDIT: I'd play him in Melee but I'd be doing him disrespect. Link is more my skill level at this point (can't approach without those bombs *facepalm*).

 

[BasedHexagon]

Many will disagree with me, but I wanna see his sex kick from 64, and his up-tilt from 64 come back. Other than that, I just want him to feel smooth, be a combo machine, and most importantly for him to be NOTHING like Brawl Captain Falcon (In terms of how much of a joke he was of course)...

 

[Papa+Stone]

falcons melee nair is bot only better but also sexier than his 64 sexy kick

 

[BasedHexagon]

falcons melee nair is bot only better but also sexier than his 64 sexy kick

Yeah, not denying that it's better; I just love sex kicks lol... and wouldn't mind seeing him with one again.

 

[Papa+Stone]

Well his back air is kind of like a sexy kick sorta. But falcons design would suffer from a sexy kick, he needs that combo starter nair. Sexy kicks are like the most common move as well, youve got them on link, mario, fox, samus, sheik etc

 

[Thor]

Captain Falcon COULD do stuff with generic nair IF they gave it frame data similar to Melee Link's nair (because you can hit them with the last hitboxes of nair's IASA frames and then immediately nair again to do a weak nair -> strong nair combo in (I want to say) like 10 frames (or less)). But even then his SSB 64 Fair is probably a better nair (ie, his Melee nair) than just generic stuff. Also he looks kind of weird doing SSB 64 nair, but Melee nair definitely suits his style (of kicking butts and taking names).

Also (I've said it a bazillion times but whatever) I think SSB 64 usmash as utilt would make a good combo starter and be more useful than his rather slow utilt he currently has (my opinion). If someone wants to tell me what they think utilt is useful for, by all means, but it feels like I have to go for some silly hard read and in Brawl I can't seem to generate any offense after connecting with one (in Melee it seems like it just gets CCed) [maybe I should got the CF forums and find out...].

 

[Prez08]

Why haven't they confirmed him yet? really afraid that they will cut him. I know the possibility is far off but mannnnn idk.

 

[Papa+Stone]

The only way sakurai could possibly remove falcon from the game would be if he contracted testicle aids, causing him to have them cut off, because you cant cut falcon from the game and have balls at the same time. Pray that sakurai keeps his balls.

 

[Tree Cat]

If they could return falcon to his melee glory that would be amazing. I don't see a need for a projectile if you have that amazing horizontal jump.

 

[KendallJackson]

Captain Falcon is a projectile.

 

[SchAlternate]

Captain Falcon is a projectile.

Falcon AGREED!!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If Falcon gets revealed tonight I'd probably be so hyped that I wouldn't be able to sleep.

 

[Anderceus]

Captain Falcon is the only character I care about for the next Smash.
Without him, I don't know what I'll do with my life. ;_;