Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma
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Wolf is not a clone. He's not even a semi-clone.
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Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC
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themasterofcircuits
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That "Wolf Skin" is the biggest disgrace to Wolf of all time. And no, he isn't a clone, not even according to developers. He's a derivative of Fox at best.
POKEMANSPIKA
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Guessing you didn't play Brawl or unlocked Wolf. Wolf only has similar (not the same) specials and the same back air and FS as Fox/Falco. Therefore, Wolf is a semi-clone (lol barely). ALSO, Roy is a semi-clone not a clone. He's been altered to play more different, only Lucina is a clone to Marth.
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Meister Zeigler
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He's not even a character right now so...not really sure how you can say that.
And if you're referring to how he was in SSBB he looks pretty cloney to me, similar specials and moves just slower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzm4skwnZ1s
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Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma
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Of course I was referring to Brawl. And no, he isn't a clone in Brawl.
POKEMANSPIKA
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Really? Your video is actual proof that Wolf isn't a clone. If your standards for clones are that they share similar moves, GUYS WATCH OUT! SAMUS, MEWTWO, LUCARIO, AND MII GUNNER ARE ALL CLONES SINCE THEY SHARE THAT CHARGE UP NEUTRAL SPECIAL PROJECTILE!
themasterofcircuits
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YEAH AND IKE AND TOON LINK ARE CLONES, BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE SWORDS!
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Meister Zeigler
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Oh quit being pouty.
POKEMANSPIKA
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Says the person saying Wolf is a clone when he only shares a back air and Final Smash.
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Meister Zeigler
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Not to mention he moves and looks the exact same, quit being whiny about it and just play Fox.
POKEMANSPIKA
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Lol because a forward air claw swipe totally looks like Fox's multiple kicks forward air, amiright guys.
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And pretty much everything else from looks to movement, but it's okay, just be selective about what you see.
themasterofcircuits
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Yup. And Fox Illusion has a small amount of vertical recovery and spikes.
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Do you seriously have nothing better to do but troll a thread on the Internet? It's sad that petty opinions can drive people to just make an ass out of themselves. If you don't like Wolf, whatever. No one cares.
themasterofcircuits
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Or better yet, if you don't like Wolf, get the hell out of here.
PurpleSoda
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Should I stop using it,and delete my Wolf inspired custom Fox
themasterofcircuits
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Of course not! I actually have a Wolf Fox too. I'm just saying it's f***ed up they cut Wolf and replaced him with a skin as if he was never in smash to begin with.
PurpleSoda
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They did that with Wario
They also did it with Dixie Kong(likely a reference to the Dixie/Diddy tag team character plans)
Plus,it combines the blue costume from Melee and Brawl,which so happens to have Wolf's fur
Maybe,I'll switch to the Green costume when not using my Fox amiibo
When I am using him,I will use his Orange(Melee Red Reference?)costume
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Really? I mean really? Fox doesn't even come close to how Wolf plays. I played as Fox and Wolf a lot in Brawl and despite the small similarities, they are indeed different characters. Smash 4 can give me a Wolf pallette swap and a couple of his moves for Fox but it's still not the same as the Wolf I played as during the Brawl days.
shadenexus18
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Don't get me wrong. That taunt is awesome, BUT for some reason Wolf's howl gets me hyped! I'm all like "Lets go!" I have made some awesome comebacks after using that taunt. ^^
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Wolf is definetly not a clone of Fox. The only similarities between the two are about five attacks.
I have even seen people argue that Toon link and Link aren't semi-clones despite sharing -what seems like - half a moveset.
If the line between semi-clone and unique is set at around half a moveset, then Wolf and Fox shouldn't even be considered semi-clones.
I have even seen people argue that Toon link and Link aren't semi-clones despite sharing -what seems like - half a moveset.
If the line between semi-clone and unique is set at around half a moveset, then Wolf and Fox shouldn't even be considered semi-clones.
shadenexus18
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No disrespect intended. If you don't get utter satisfaction from nailing someone perfectly with Wolf Flash, using hyper the knee pummel, or spiking someone down into the abyss....
....then Wolf simply isn't your cup of tea. Let us Wolf fanatics have our fun. I just know Sakurai will bring him back.
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One other thing to note is if the DLC characters,
are in the default roster, I heard the game will get amiibo DLC.
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I think somebody obtained Mewtwo via mystery costume.
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Wow, thank you for proving my point further.
POKEMANSPIKA
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Are you blind? No seriously. I'm genuinely curious about your lack of clear vision because Wolf looks sure as hell different to me and everyone in this thread.
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Don't respond to bait, guys.
I don't think you can REALLY call Wolf a clone. Sure they have "similar" special moves but that's it.
All of his moves, including his aerials and smashes, are different. All grounded attacks have different animations as well as different properties, his aerials are the same way. His specials, while similar, are different in more ways than not. Unlike Falco's and Fox's, Wolf's specials have properties that are nonexistent in the other two's including: a spike/follow-up on his Up-B, a sweet-spot on his Side-B, and a hit box at the base on his Neutral-B. I guess you can call his reflector the most similar of all the moves because all it does is come out slower.
Looking from a competitive and game-play standpoint Wolf is a totally different and unique character, if you're looking in from the outside, though, you can make the mistake that he is a clone. You really don't know how unique he is from the others until you pick up a controller and play as him.
All of his moves, including his aerials and smashes, are different. All grounded attacks have different animations as well as different properties, his aerials are the same way. His specials, while similar, are different in more ways than not. Unlike Falco's and Fox's, Wolf's specials have properties that are nonexistent in the other two's including: a spike/follow-up on his Up-B, a sweet-spot on his Side-B, and a hit box at the base on his Neutral-B. I guess you can call his reflector the most similar of all the moves because all it does is come out slower.
Looking from a competitive and game-play standpoint Wolf is a totally different and unique character, if you're looking in from the outside, though, you can make the mistake that he is a clone. You really don't know how unique he is from the others until you pick up a controller and play as him.
Don't worry. I heeded your warning but I did want to put my two cents out there for the hell of it.
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Meister Zeigler
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It's not bait but whatever, Wolf most likely won't be coming anyway hence the fact that they gave Fox a Wolf skin in the first place.
POKEMANSPIKA
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Which is why Roy didn't come back right? Or Wario?
Meister Zeigler
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Roy uses fire and actually has a vastly different looking moveset, Wario is completely different from Mario or Luigi, and doesn't look the same either.
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POKEMANSPIKA
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Lol, this guy said Roy was more unique than Wolf when he was in Melee. I literally can't take you seriously now.
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I didn't say that at all...but alright.Lol, this guy said Roy was more unique than Wolf when he was in Melee. I literally can't take you seriously now.
POKEMANSPIKA
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Vastly different looking moveset. This is what you said. That implies that Roy had different moves from Marth in Melee, which he really didn't. All he had was some fire effects.
Meister Zeigler
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I am talking about SSB4, I said Roy was here from as far back as Melee, learn to read.
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