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Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC

Discussion in 'Character Discussion' started by [Obnoxshush/Dasshizer], Jun 23, 2012.

  1. [Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]

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    Discuss all information pertaining to Wolf in this thread.

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    Vote for Wolf for DLC in the official Smash Bros
    Wii U/3DS DLC Poll: https://cp.nintendo.co.jp/us/

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    image by @SAVideos
    #Free Wolf
    This is the home of the campaign to get Sakurai to make Wolf a DLC character so he can be playable in Super Smash Bros for Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS. Wolf was a Brawl veteran from the Starfox series, he had a unique moveset, and was a well balanced character who had really bad*** taunts. However he did not make the initial cut for Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS. However DLC is possible, but to our current knowledge, Sakurai is hesitant to do more DLC. You don't hesitate, just act. We are here to act, and to get our veteran playable again.
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    ^In Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS, Wolf has been reduced to a trophy of himself from Starfox Assault, has three renditions of his theme in the game, Fox has a custom move blatantly named Wolf Flash, Wolf's side special, but perhaps the worst of all is appearing in the Lylat Cruise codecs, He appeared in them back in brawl, and in one of them was hinted at being playable. "Boy those two are always itching to fight huh.",Slippy referencing that Wolf and Falco are unlockable characters. However in this game that same codec is still there, yet Wolf is not playable in the game,but Falco is, and still an unlockable character, to make matters worse, Wolf has been stripped of his highly detailed brawl model, and replaced with a much less detailed model, which to some looks very displeasing. In a way its like he's being mocked for not being playable. Wolf does not deserve this, he is a villain/antihero and a very iconic Nintendo character, best know for his bad*** one liners like "Can't Let you do that Starfox" Wolf is also reported to appear in the new Starfox game for Wii U, making him a relevant character. Smash games usually span 6 years before a new entry is released. Wolf should not have to be stuck like this for 6 years or more, when he can be added to Super Smash Bros for Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS as DLC. Paying to have Wolf playable, is better than having no Wolf playable.
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    ^This is what Wolf looked like back in Brawl, you can see how much more detailed he is than the Wolf currently in Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS. We must restore him to his former glory, DLC can do that, but we must convince Sakurai to commit to Wolf DLC, if he secretly isn't doing it already. We only require your support, simply tell us you support our cause, and your name will be added to the supporters list. Also convince others to request Wolf for DLC. There is strength in numbers.Any additional support, ranging from making videos, pictures, and other forms of entertainment that are geared towards achieving more support to have Wolf be playable in Super Smash Bros Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS as DLC is greatly appreciated. We must start this campaign now, its purpose, To persuade Sakurai to make Wolf DLC, or if Sakurai already is making Wolf DLC, this is to show our support and appreciation for doing so.


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    Wolf's supporters. WOLF FOR DLC :wolf:
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  2. Gatlin

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    cactus in the valley that's about to crumble down.

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    Def needs to return <3
     
  3. Big-Cat

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    Challenge accepted.

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    Jon freakin' Talbain

    That is all.
     
  4. rsr2

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    Wolf needs to come back.

    That is all.
     
  5. BSP

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    He needs to, yes.

    Star fox doesn't really have a villian that could replace Wolf do they? Easily I mean. I'd imagine making Andross playable would be difficult.

    He needs a better final smash though. The Wolf Landmaster is really useful, but there's better out there. Any ideas?
     
  6. DarkLouis331

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    Call in Leon, Andrew, and Pigma to light up the stage.

    Also, more recovery options. (Though getting side-b cancelling down improved it immensely.)
     
  7. rsr2

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    ^^^^ That's what I was thinking too. Have those three fly around and shoot at targets. Or at least have something to do with them.
     
  8. GTA_Hater_331

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    I'd say Wolf is one of at least 2 characters who I asked to have in Brawl, but not their movesets. I was hoping Ganondorf would get his own moveset in Brawl, but instead they just changed the Gerudo Dragon to Black Flame Choke. With Wolf O'Donnell, I look back and think "some of the ideas for Wolf Link should've been passed to O'Donnell instead of making him a Fox and Falco clone". And his final smash should've involved Wolfen IIs as used in Venom 2 in StarFox 64. Heck, at least there'd be something substantial to set his flying machine apart from Brawl, even if it would've been hard to control!
     
  9. GiantBreadbug

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    Get rid of Wolf's Reflector, make his Blaster chargeable, and I'm happy.

    Those are the only things truly keeping him a Fox/Falco clone.

    Oh, and do this Team Starwolf thing everyone is talking about for a FS.
     
  10. Conviction

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    People are stilling thinking Wolf is a Fox/Falco clone better yet people still think Falco is a Fox clone?

    I have travelled back in time to '08?
     
  11. RedGamer

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    make wolf like a melee character, but please do make the blaster chargable.
     
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  12. Seagull Joe

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    Do NOT make his blaster chargeable. EW. Make his Uair able to cover the sides as well as above him. Also give a better Nair, give him a fastfall, better Uthrow, and make his jab 1-2 frames quicker.

    Edit: @Idiot who said get rid of reflector, why make him worst? His reflector in brawl is godlike...

    :018:

    :phone:
     
  13. Bowserlick

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    If he returns new specials. I like how Falco has the same issued weapons as Fox, but uses them in a slightly different style (think angry Italian, his last name is Lombardi).

    Wolf should just have different weapons and defensive gear.
     
  14. bombers14

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    YESSSSS.
    and he definetley better be back
     
  15. tekkie

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    wofl needs a comeback

    honestly wolf/falco/fox are the perfect trio, they should just add to it. there's no reason to remove any of the three.
     
  16. Bowserlick

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    New Specials

    Wolf's specials would have some similarities to the Fox crew, but utilize illegal weapons combined with the hunter flavor that Wolf embodies.

    B: Charged Plasma shot
    Weapon looks the same with bayonet effect. Could charge projectile for a few seconds and aim while charging. Not spammable.

    Down B: Thorn Shield

    Creates red energy spikes around him. Cannot attack with the shield on, but does contact damage. Can run slightly faster with the shield on. Must turn-off shield to attack. Can absorb energy weapons.


    Side B: Pounce

    Same distance as Illusion, but hones in toward nearest opponent. Direction depends on foe's position.

    Up B: Lunar Spiral
    Wolf's jetpack launches him in an ascending and then descending arch. He does mutiple front flips with his claws outstreched. Can drag opponents with high damage. Last hit sends opponent behind and above Wolf.
     
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  17. Big-Cat

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    Challenge accepted.

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    Here's my take on specials.

    B: Desperado Shot
    Wolf takes two shots and these shots can be aimed in any direction sequentially. For example, the first shot can aim forward and the second one can aim right below.
    Reference: Wolfen's (Red Fang in Japan) twin lasers in Command. Adjusted for a 2D plane.

    Side B: Reflector Claw
    Wolf claws forward, reflecting all projectiles. Doing it in the 3,6, and 9 directions gives you different directions to deflect the laser back. Each of these feature a different animation - downward swipe, horizontal swipe, and vertical swipe respectively.
    Reference: Kula Diamond of KOF. Wanted a different take on the reflector.

    Down B: Pounce
    Wolf jumps onto the opponent and thrashes the opponent on the ground. If it whiffs, Wolf lands with a sliding kick. This move can be canceled in midair with any aerial.
    Reference: Nature and Cammy.

    Up B: Boost
    Wolf assumes a feral crouch (can be canceled out of with pressing B making it great for combos and feints) and tilting the control stick in any of the nine directions will result in Wolf thrusting in that direction with his jetpack like in Brawl. However, there's a new twist to this. Similar to Pikachu, Wolf can use his boost three times in a way. Each of these three boosts can be SDI out of on the last hit each. If you land the third attack, Wolf will end with a powerful kick based on the direction you were traveling in. This makes this attack a very powerful move if it goes all the way with the proper reads.

    You will only go into a helpless if you use more than two of the boosts.

    Reference: Jon Talbain, Jill Valentine, and Valkenhayn R. Hellsing.
     
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  18. Mario & Sonic Guy

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    Wolf definitely needs a Final Smash change. The Wolfen could be his trump card; Wolf would get in his Wolfen, and in a similar fashion as the Dragoon, target anything that's in his path. During that time, Wolf can fire laser blasts to deal damage. After about 8 seconds, the Wolfen will fly past the stage, damaging anyone who is caught in the Wolfen's path.
     
  19. GoldenYuiitusin

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    Two words: Demon Launcher.

    That is all.
     
  20. 3Bismyname

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    of all the characters who could be dropped i really think Wolf is high on that list. Mostly just to make room for other better characters.
     
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  21. Mario & Sonic Guy

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    The thing is though, Wolf is Fox's rival, and has played a big role in the games that he appeared in.
     
  22. Robert of Normandy

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    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Plus, he's the most unique of the "space animals." I think Wolf is here to stay, even if I don't personally care about him or Star Fox.
     
  23. Sunnysunny

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    He's smashbro's token "anti-hero."

    Also he makes a cool noise when you u-smash. :3
     
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  24. GoldenYuiitusin

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    HaooooWOOOO!
     
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  25. SmashShadow

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    That forward tilt and dash attack...:awesome: Not to mention a gun with a blade on the end:awesome::awesome: Personally I prefer playing as him 5/1 to Fox and 3/1 for Falco.
     
  26. Ridley_Prime

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    Yeah, **** whoever wants this guy cut. Just hope he has better recovery next time.
     
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  27. MetriZt

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    Okay, I know you might skip this like the rest but...

    Okay, I know you might skip this like the rest but...

    His Up Special needs more angles for recovery(heavy and bad recovery don't go together, just ask Ike).
    His blaster should be chargeable(to fulfill the purpose of the lag between each shot).
    His Forward air never helps, it's still your choice to replace, keep or improve. (Great for juggling, not so great for killing).
    His Back Throw looks awesome but lifts enemies into air *sigh*

    Just suggestions, you don't have to do what i want. There's still other voice out there.
     
  28. GoldenYuiitusin

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    ....even if we WANTED to do what you want, we can't; this is just a discussion group, we aren't Sakurai.
     
  29. Bowserlick

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    Andross as a playable character. Hmmm... I like it.
     
  30. Reyson

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    The biggest problem characters like Wolf and Lucas have is that it isn't just their moveset that looks somewhat like the character they were based on but their visual appearance aswell. That's the biggest thing that is holding them back and the reason why some people still consider them clones.
    They'd have to have their own look without changing who they are in the first place and I really don't see an easy fix for that without scrapping them for more unique-looking characters.
     
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    ....if you really can't tell the difference between Fox and Wolf just by looking at them, there's an issue.

    Might as well argue for Luigi's removal due to his stark similarities to Mario.
     
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    I didn't say I can't tell the difference, I said they look similar.
     
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    Mario and Luigi are more similar in appearance than Fox and Wolf.
    At least McCloud and O'Donnell have different outfits. Luigi's just what, a Mario in green that's slightly taller with minor distinguishing features?
     
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    Luigi is also more famous on his own and is in a much bigger franchise, Wolf is just a side character in Starfox.
     
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    That is irrelevant to this discussion.
     
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    Wolf needs to pull away from Fox and Falco by having his own specials. Wolf is a mercenary. He gets to deal with black-market weaponry. Fox and Falco have their government issued weapons.

    Falco and Fox make sense being somewhat similar. They have the same training and equipment. Falco just injects a bit of Italian rage and creativity into his execution.

    Wolf is a different entity. His A attacks are already vastly different. His specials should be as well.

    And all three should have different final smashes.
     
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    I'm too lazy to read back through this thread, but if anyone has said that Wolf is a clone, he clearly isn't. He has a similair moveset, and that is it. Their stats are completely different, wolf falls faster than fox just to name one quickly. And even his cloned moves have clear differences; Fox's side B he stays on the ground, Wolf goes in the air. Saying that Fox and Wolf are clones is like saying Zelda and Peach are clones, they're both women of a similiar high wearing dresses.
     
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    I don't think anyone said that. I did say that one of the reasons (I think) people tend to consider him a clone because he visually looks a bit similar to Fox and some of he has some similar moves, a similar problem Lucas has.
     
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    Looks have nothing to do with it.

    Ganondorf hardly looks like Captain Falcon, yet he still is considered a clone.
    Why? Because he has moves similar to Captain Falcon.

    The fact that Wolf's Specials are still similar in structure despite working very different (blaster shot, forward dash, multi-directional boost, reflector shield) and his Final Smash is pretty much a recolored version of Fox's with different properties will cause labels of him being a clone, despite being less comparable to Fox than Falco.

    Same with Lucas and his Specials and Final Smash.
     
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    how to "declone" wolf?


    Change his down b. that's it. that's one of ONLY moves that's really like fox's...

    and don't say "oh, he shoots a gun" cause saying that means you'd have to compare samus and lucario, ike and marth(lul swords... AND A COUNTER! *** CLONES) ect ect.
     

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