C. Falcon or Ganon? Who does it fit?

[Zenthewanderer]

A thought occured to me the other day that may have occured to you. Captain Falcon and Ganondorf... Do either of them really fight like this? I'm not talking about clones or anything in that vein, no this is more about the general moveset itself. The main question here is... who does it belong to?

Rewind to SSB 64. Captain Falcon is introduced with a completely made-up set of moves. His appearances thus far have been exclusive to racing games, making this his first outing in the fighting genre. Now unless I'm horribly wrong, the whole 'Falcon Kick', 'Falcon Punch', and so-on pretty much came out of nowhere.

Now here comes Melee. Ganondorf is introduced and is very similar to the Captain. Now as I said, this isn't about calling anyone clones or complaining. I stand by that. Having only so much experience with the Legend of Zelda series, I can't give much of an answer here, but... To which character does the fighting style better suit? Does Ganondorf do anything resembling his specials outside of the Smash Universe? Its clear C.F has nothing to do with it- so does that mean the whole thing is completely made up?

Now obviously Sakurai didn't predict he'd put Ganon in Melee but wanted Smash 64 Falcon to play like him... So what those of you knowledgeable about the LoZ series, can you enlighten me here? If I missed some F-Zero game where Falcon leaps out of his car and starts opening a fiery assault of punches and kicks on his big Samurai buddy, let me know. Seriously.

 

[Deoxys]

Ganon(/dorf) uses either ranged attacks, teleportation, and/or weapons depending on the game. He occaisonally uses punches charged with darkness, but mostly just uses swords and ranged attacks (he is the king of the Gerudo, after all). Also, he is often fairly acrobatic, in contrast to his smash character. In other words, his moveset doesn't fit him at all.

 

[Zenthewanderer]

Ganon(/dorf) uses either ranged attacks, teleportation, and/or weapons depending on the game. He occaisonally uses punches charged with darkness, but mostly just uses swords and ranged attacks (he is the king of the Gerudo, after all). Also, he is often fairly acrobatic, in contrast to his smash character. In other words, his moveset doesn't fit him at all.

Wow... Oo. That doesn't match at all. I suppose there's a minor likeness, considering your description. I've always heard the jokes about Ganon and his sword so that much I was aware of. Hm.

 

[choknater]

calm down it's more about being manly than anything else

 

[HeroMystic]

The only thing that's canon to Captain Falcon (due to the anime) is Falcon Punch. Falcon kick, Falcon Dive, and Raptor Boost are all made-up.

Thing is, he's a bounty hunter. So we don't truly know what physical abilities he's capable of.

We do for Ganondorf though, but all the abilities he has in the Smash series are not canon to him either, but in the Zelda games he has -tons- of different abilities that we all know about.

So... realistically, it fits neither of them, but Captain Falcon is plausible while Ganondorf's is flat out wrong.

EDIT:

Ganon(/dorf) uses either ranged attacks, teleportation, and/or weapons depending on the game. He occaisonally uses punches charged with darkness, but mostly just uses swords and ranged attacks (he is the king of the Gerudo, after all). Also, he is often fairly acrobatic, in contrast to his smash character.

He also has many transformations, rides a horse, uses energy blasts, and can make lesser clones of himself.

 

[Iron Thorn]

Ganondorf has so many other possibilities, this is just plain laziness on Suckurai's part. Plus, nobody takes away the Falcon Punch.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh god,......not another thread that will turn into "OMG!! Sakurai is so stupid!!!!!! Let's start a riot!!!!!"





On topic: Ganondorf does have possiblitys on the Zelda games. He can shoot energy balls, come out of paintings, his cape gets worst and all the stuff everyone else said. It fits neither of them.

 

[Iron Thorn]

Mommy, I wanna see Ganondorf come out of a painting for his stage entrance! *whine*

 

[Shy Guy 86]

DO NOT MESS WITH FALCON PUNCH!

Ganon has a lot of different moves, Warlock Punch was in Oot(Correct me here) the other moves are made up

 

[PKSkyler]

Well even though Captain Falcon`s is completly made up (cept falcon punch, which is seriously nerfed compared to the anime lol!) I still love the moveset...although prhaps he should use his gun. but that would probably mean removal of one of his current specials....I could bare with no more Raptor Boost, I guess.

as stated before....Ganon is just a very crappy moveset...cept side B...I like side b.

 

[Devil7]

The only move that ganon has right now that he has in a video game (TP) is the side b, all other moves are made up.

 

[Ismael]

Ganondorf is nerfed in general...

 

[Denzi]

Ganondorf is nerfed in general...

Too true. In Twilight Princess, he had enough power fo Zant to think he is a god.
That's strong.

 

[smashbro29]

I think it fits Falcon much better despite being non-canon he seems like an over the top tough guy.
as for ganon he should use a sword in melee it was plausible due to him being put in last second but in brawl he should have got his own moveset.

 

[kr3wman]

Captain Falcon's Smash moveset is totally made up because we never saw him do something out of his car.

Ganondorf moveset is something taken from Captain Falcon's created moveset because they rushed Melee and just changed some moves. Technically he should fight with a sword/trident.

 

[Sean²]

You guys do know that the anime came after both SSB and Melee, right? So Falcon Punch isn't canon whatsoever other than within the Smash series.

 

[FAILchion-]

Personally, I think the moveset fits Capt. Falcon the best. Of course, I wish they'd make an F-Zero game, but concentrating on Capt. Falcon's bounty hunting side of his life. That way, at least we could somewhat get a perspective of his possible moveset. Anyways, I don't find Ganondorf's moveset screaming 'Ganondorf' to me. In Brawl, I was hoping for a fresh, fresh moveset, but nothing much changed. I expected dark magic and usage of the Sword of the Six Sages/Trident.

I was betrayed.

 

[Collective of Bears]

Blue Falcon > Orange Piggy. That should answer your question.

 

[Xebenkeck]

The only things canon to Ganondorfs moveset is the sparta kick(its used in the final battle of Tp), final smash, and his choke of death(side B) Ganon could use energy balls/blackholes, swords, tritons, ride horses, jumps incredibly high(which is ashame that he cant jump i smash), uses lightning, and can summon troops. C.falcon is made up, but it was made for him so it fits him best

 

[Mic_128]

Ganondorf moveset is something taken from Captain Falcon's created moveset because they rushed Melee and just changed some moves.

Actually, that's the opposite. They 'finished' Melee and had some time left, so they made a few new costumes, changed some already existing movesets and made some new characters (Doc Mario, Young Link, Roy) and seeing that Gannondorf's model, who was dumped earlier, looked a lot like Captain Falcon, they gave him Falcons moveset.

 

[Xebenkeck]

so were falco and pichu going to be in the game as clones or were they added like you said the others were

 

[Ergendirekt]

all day ganon?

 

[kr3wman]

Actually, that's the opposite. They 'finished' Melee and had some time left, so they made a few new costumes, changed some already existing movesets and made some new characters (Doc Mario, Young Link, Roy) and seeing that Gannondorf's model, who was dumped earlier, looked a lot like Captain Falcon, they gave him Falcons moveset.

Same thing, different words.

 

[DMurr]

Too true. In Twilight Princess, he had enough power fo Zant to think he is a god.
That's strong.

Yep. Triforce of Power.

Yeah... the move set fits C. Falcon because they made it for him. Ganondorf needs to get his own moves..

 

[Mic_128]

Same thing, different words.

There's a difference between "They rushed Melee!" and "They had extra time so they made some new characters"

 

[Zenthewanderer]

From what I'm hearing, it is a shame that Ganondorf wasn't given more detail. I'd be curious to know why they went with the slow, lack of energy projectiles type... Hm.


But also from what I've heard, there are a few ties between Smash Ganon and LoZ Ganon. So am I correct in thinking that Brawl Ganon is most like TP Ganon- as opposed to the ones from the former Legend of Zelda games?

 

[HeroMystic]

In looks? Yeah. Only a few of his moves resembles his canon ones.

Besides, none of the ganons from before can turn into a giant pig.

 

[kr3wman]

There's a difference between "They rushed Melee!" and "They had extra time so they made some new characters"

They didn't rushed 100% of Melee. They rushed the clones, so that's why they're clones.

 

[Devil7]

In looks? Yeah. Only a few of his moves resembles his canon ones.

Besides, none of the ganons from before can turn into a giant pig.

All of the early LoZ games depict him as a giant boar, not a human/gerudo, but the make reference to his gerudo form. Granted it is more humanistic rather than animalistic like the TP boar (mainly because of the whole wolf thing), he still transforms in OoT, and is shown that way in all of the early zelda games as well as fourswords.

 

[OmegaXXII]

They didn't rushed 100% of Melee. They rushed the clones, so that's why they're clones.

true, Sakurai had spare time after Melee's development, so he went on to create these clones, though he didn't rush the game itself.

as for the Ganon and Falcon moveset thing, I have to say Falcon's Punch is the only move that would suit him as seeing he used it in the anime, as for Ganon well we can assume his Warlock Punch is good for him as well since (I guess) showed up in TP.

but overall those moves should just be C. Falcon's as seeing he was the first to get them in SBB64.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

calm down it's more about being manly than anything else

This.

-Ter

 

[Snowstalker]

Captian Falcon should keep his moveset, cuz it's awesome.

Ganon should gat all new B moves (Side B stays, though), and som new tilts and smashes.

 

[brinboy789]

A thought occured to me the other day that may have occured to you. Captain Falcon and Ganondorf... Do either of them really fight like this? I'm not talking about clones or anything in that vein, no this is more about the general moveset itself. The main question here is... who does it belong to?

Rewind to SSB 64. Captain Falcon is introduced with a completely made-up set of moves. His appearances thus far have been exclusive to racing games, making this his first outing in the fighting genre. Now unless I'm horribly wrong, the whole 'Falcon Kick', 'Falcon Punch', and so-on pretty much came out of nowhere.

Now here comes Melee. Ganondorf is introduced and is very similar to the Captain. Now as I said, this isn't about calling anyone clones or complaining. I stand by that. Having only so much experience with the Legend of Zelda series, I can't give much of an answer here, but... To which character does the fighting style better suit? Does Ganondorf do anything resembling his specials outside of the Smash Universe? Its clear C.F has nothing to do with it- so does that mean the whole thing is completely made up?

Now obviously Sakurai didn't predict he'd put Ganon in Melee but wanted Smash 64 Falcon to play like him... So what those of you knowledgeable about the LoZ series, can you enlighten me here? If I missed some F-Zero game where Falcon leaps out of his car and starts opening a fiery assault of punches and kicks on his big Samurai buddy, let me know. Seriously.

all of falcons "FALCON..." attacks come from the anime, F-Zero. and yea, Ganon is falcons clone, but with some major differences

 

[MarKO X]

The only accurate attack of Falcon is his FS.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Personally, I think the moveset fits Capt. Falcon the best. Of course, I wish they'd make an F-Zero game, but concentrating on Capt. Falcon's bounty hunting side of his life. That way, at least we could somewhat get a perspective of his possible moveset. Anyways, I don't find Ganondorf's moveset screaming 'Ganondorf' to me. In Brawl, I was hoping for a fresh, fresh moveset, but nothing much changed. I expected dark magic and usage of the Sword of the Six Sages/Trident.

I was betrayed.

Personaly, I prefer the air!


Sorry
I think that Ganondorf should use be a mix between himself and Ike- so powerful physically, but with a strong sword. However, he should be quicker than he is now, and he needs an attack that can hit as soon as you press the button- not having to wait for a second before he attacks.

 

[TheWaft]

give falcon the moveset. Then give gannondorf a sword and make him kinda like Ike. King DDD still rocks though.