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yea ness' recovery is fine to me. ivysaur is the real gay looking stupid recovery that should go back to the way it is. my friend's a pt main in vbrawl and at times he could still recover, and now in b+ with recovery buffs, its like his ivysaur is on steroids now.
Yeah, this should be for both ness and lucas since zelda got it. Or at least make it so they can only use it once in the air, but don't go into freefall.
yeah i agree with this guy yet again.
i know ivysaur mains who use upb on stage and this would help because they'd still be able to follow up instead of remaining as vulnerable which ultimately slows the game down while people fast fall to punish ivy for using upb on stage. Just one mid air-no freefall up b is a good buff. But please, look at less characters that need a little umph. (nesstoonlinkz)Lol I make the most sense when im sick, go figure eh?yeah i agree with this guy yet again.
Why does it need to be? It's a dumb move and he shouldn't be using it offstage anyway.
Dont get that one. Get a later set so your grand finalists stop getting FD'd.
....What. Really? 9 isnt even overpowered. It doesnt kill 100% of the time either The chances of it coming out are 1 out of 9 to 1 out of 7.
Not really that spammable. :/ It has 150% lag at the end.
He can only do PK1 multiple time. PKT2 only happens once. And you're a mario main, so I KNOW you know how easy it is for us to gimp ness.
@the non-multiple upB, I thought you guys found a code that enabled that sorry bout that. But it was worth a try.
^ kinda has a point. If you really think about it.
Im convinvced, this person has convinced me to disagree with the Ness buff. A bat buff is more useful honestly. Yoshi's dont complain about being footstooled outta life. Its something that if they really want to use that character, they have to work around. Same should apply to Ness. Im still for the idea of using PK flash/freeze off-stage tho
Check it out tho, if youre under frigate and the stage eats your pkt1, the only way you could recover again is if you move away from the stage while falling down to your doom, by then if your opponent is paying attention, they wouldve thought of a way to gimp you.
I think that's a valid point. However, the plussery keeps buffing some character weakness. Like Lucario's recovery, Zelda's recovery or Yoshi's shield.
I thought that it was changed because it is not a recovery move at all, so they shouldn't enter freefall for using that attack in the air. Same case for DK punch. With this change they have one more option while off stage. While adding a option for them is necessary or not is another story, I really don't think they should go into freefall when the move doesn't help their recovery, unless the move will become too good when used off stage.
Analyze this. In SSB64 Ness had one of, if not the, worst recoveries in the game. In that game, Ness off the stage TRULY meant Ness was dead. And yet, most people consider him middle to high tier (ignore the ssb64 tier list, it's incredibly outdated). And samus, who most players consider the worst character in ssb64, has a far better recovery than Ness.
Which is why you use that insane amount of after-lag to time a ledge hop, or just drop down and smack Ivy away during lag. DURP DURP.
Are you using the "This character has been that way, why change it" arguement? You do realize we've changed how characters play now right? Not completely, but enough for you to notice a difference.
Link says "Hi."
Ness is far easier to gimp at 0% than Link. Not only that, but you can't just get "low enough" with Ness, you will eat a smash attack or get edgehogged.
Except that this is huge change that barely manages to accomplish anything. Ness was fine the way he was in EVERY SINGLE SMASH GAME BEFORE THIS. Who are you to decide that Ness needed this change?
Then you just try your hardest to stay at the center of the stage and not get thrown off. If you get thrown, then you just get edgeguarded and die, that's how Ness is played. If you think Ness's combat ability is not good enough to make up for his terrible recovery, then buff him in combat. Don't just give him an arbitrary recovery buff that doesn't even help his recovery against edgeguarders.
Even as a Ness main, I'd have to agree that we shouldn't necessarily buff the upB *in that manner* just because it's his weakness. Are there not characters easier to gimp? Does Ness even need a buff in the first place? I personally think the Ness gimp is a unique way for people to strategize against him, and it's that kind of unique character distinction that should be preserved. Besides, I've seen a lot of people get killed trying to absorb the PKT, and there are less riskier gimps in the game already.
