Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Week #4: The Chaingrabbing Jerk (King Dedede)
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Bowser's Secondaries ~ Done (just a few summaries missing)
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MrEh
Smash Hero
He beats a lot of the crap that Bowser struggles with. Including other Dededes. XD
Too bad he still loses to ICs and Diddy.
Too bad he still loses to ICs and Diddy.
B!squick
Smash Master
I'd pick him if only to spike with his UpB for major lols. And Vex uses him (over Bowser T_T), so he can't be all bad.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Dedede is a solid choice due to him locking down a few characters quite well, not only the 5 Infinite victims. He's a great character and easy to get started with, and I personally think he's not too hard to get used to play with, as he's rather straight forward.
He's a heavy character and big, so a Bowser player might find himself at home here. He's, though, less mobile than Bowser overall, and pretty much only his close-ranged attacks are quick. He has an acceptable projectile, and his awesome grabgame should be a comfy place to be for a Bowser player.
As MrEh said, already... he doesn't really deal well with Bowser's very bad matchups. Dedede is a ditto, Diddy and Ice Climbers, though, are bad matchups for Dedede, as well. And funny enough, Zelda, Sheik and their combination is the same as Bowser's, too. I know it doesn't matter much, but I found it still funny and worth a mention.
Dedede can be a solid choice for a secondary if you are able to play him properly. If you're looking, though, for a character who is covering Bowser's bad matchups, you should keep looking.
He's a heavy character and big, so a Bowser player might find himself at home here. He's, though, less mobile than Bowser overall, and pretty much only his close-ranged attacks are quick. He has an acceptable projectile, and his awesome grabgame should be a comfy place to be for a Bowser player.
As MrEh said, already... he doesn't really deal well with Bowser's very bad matchups. Dedede is a ditto, Diddy and Ice Climbers, though, are bad matchups for Dedede, as well. And funny enough, Zelda, Sheik and their combination is the same as Bowser's, too. I know it doesn't matter much, but I found it still funny and worth a mention.
Dedede can be a solid choice for a secondary if you are able to play him properly. If you're looking, though, for a character who is covering Bowser's bad matchups, you should keep looking.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Week #5: Gdubs (Mr. Game & Watch)
B!squick
Smash Master
Game & Watch is a blast to play as. I don't know a thing about his match ups and whatnot, I just know that I was dispointed at how bad he was in Melee and loved how good he is in Brawl.
Plus, you have the Judgement Hammer for the truely clutch player.
Plus, you have the Judgement Hammer for the truely clutch player.
Hobobloke
Atemon Game
Ahhh G&W my secondary. He is easy to pick up and has advantageous matchups against Dedede and IC's which are Bowsers main problems overalll a good choice of secondary I think.
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
Game is a pretty good choice if you're looking for a second main. He's easy to use and he covers some of the matchups Bowser has trouble with. He's A LOT better from his Melee standpoint, and he's very strong [just like Bowser]. He is light though, so for Bowser mains you gotta get used to putting effort into living longer, simply because the Flatty isn't a Fatty. He only covers some matchups, but to me IC's and D3, D3 especially, are some pretty bad matchups. He doesn't do so hot against Marth or Snake though, so if you need someone to at least go even or do well against those two, then continue the search.
He's pretty enjoyable to play imo, and as Jay said, the Hammer is beastly o_0. So if you're willing to pick up the black man, have fun; he won't disappoint you...hopefully.
He's pretty enjoyable to play imo, and as Jay said, the Hammer is beastly o_0. So if you're willing to pick up the black man, have fun; he won't disappoint you...hopefully.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
GaW can live longer with the Bucket Break.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Week #6: Marth, Princess of Altea
B!squick
Smash Master
Marth looks like that one guy you used to sneer at in high school. You know the one I'm talking about. The pretty boy with the good looks and never less than two women on each arm. D:<
..... >.>
Oh yeah, Marth. He's great to pick up once you learn the art of spacing and can tipper every attack. Like Bowser, he has a good UpB OoS. Not as good as Fortress of course and his shield is smaller, but it works. Marth can camp pretty well if he wants. He seems to be based more on his air game and he has terrible Tilts with the exception of DTilt. His recovery isn't as good as Bowser's, so make sure you DI your *** off. He ***** with the platforms more than Bowser can which can be unnerving to face, but refreshing to play as yourself.
He's a great pick up and play character as long you can space and know how awesome his Dancing Blade is. Don't know how well he deals with Bowser's bad match ups, but I assume he does well against the penguin and the Climbers. I recommend Marth personally.
..... >.>
Oh yeah, Marth. He's great to pick up once you learn the art of spacing and can tipper every attack. Like Bowser, he has a good UpB OoS. Not as good as Fortress of course and his shield is smaller, but it works. Marth can camp pretty well if he wants. He seems to be based more on his air game and he has terrible Tilts with the exception of DTilt. His recovery isn't as good as Bowser's, so make sure you DI your *** off. He ***** with the platforms more than Bowser can which can be unnerving to face, but refreshing to play as yourself.
He's a great pick up and play character as long you can space and know how awesome his Dancing Blade is. Don't know how well he deals with Bowser's bad match ups, but I assume he does well against the penguin and the Climbers. I recommend Marth personally.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Ewww, Marth.
Not bad. But there's better counterpicks. Does decent against Bowser's 3 worst matchups. But just decent.
Not bad. But there's better counterpicks. Does decent against Bowser's 3 worst matchups. But just decent.
B!squick
Smash Master
I'm on a MSPaint trip, so I've decided to make a chart for this. So if everyone could rate the "counter pick-ability" of each character so far and as we go on a 1 to 5 scale with 5 being the best, that would really help me out. I already have MK down as a 5/1. We all know he's a 5, but the only people who play Meta Knight are Meta Knight mains, which we are not.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Let's just skip every character and get to Jigglypuff already.
B!squick
Smash Master
No. No one cares about your affair character. 
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Next week, promised. Then we finally have a MANLY character here.
@Everyone:
I was wondering, should we make a team partner thread, too? :3
B!squick
Smash Master
:O Dude! That's such an AWESOME idea! Why didn't I think of-
Oh wait. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=224444 =_=
Appology accepted. XD
Oh wait. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=224444 =_=
Appology accepted. XD
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
That was a more of a "How does bowser do in doubles" then a "which character, going individually through all of them, is a good choice of partner for bowser".
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Bowser King
B!squick
Smash Master
Same difference.
... Okay, not really. In my defense my thread is a discussion topic and Spade's idea would, of course, also be a discussion topic. >.> It's obviously not popular though and Spade's doing a great job in these threads. Forgot I said anything. XD
Also, give me numbers for my chart please thanks. :O
... Okay, not really. In my defense my thread is a discussion topic and Spade's idea would, of course, also be a discussion topic. >.> It's obviously not popular though and Spade's doing a great job in these threads. Forgot I said anything. XD
Also, give me numbers for my chart please thanks. :O
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
MK: 5/5
Snake: 3.5/5
Olimar: 4.5/5
Falco: 3/5
Dedede: 3/5
GaW: 5/5
Snake: 3.5/5
Olimar: 4.5/5
Falco: 3/5
Dedede: 3/5
GaW: 5/5
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Week #7: Missing the Rambo Bandana (Jigglypuff)
B!squick
Smash Master
Jigglypuff is the most broken secondary ever in life.
MrEh
Smash Hero
She beats Diddy, has a slight advantage on the IC, and goes even with Dedede.
I love Jiggs.
I love Jiggs.
B!squick
Smash Master
And you play the heaviest character in the game, why not play the lightest too, right? Be a player of extremes.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Week #8: The Chimppimp (Diddy Kong)
B!squick
Smash Master
Bananas make chain grabs go away. A good CP if you learn to use him well.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Week #9: Fat Fatty McFat (Wario)
B!squick
Smash Master
I love playing as Wario. I constantly go for grabs just so I can poke people in the crotch. :D I'm fairly certain he does well against Bowser's bad match ups, so even if you're not looking to just have fun he's still a good counter pick.
MrEh
Smash Hero
He can beat all three of Bowser's death matchups.
Wario is Jiggs, but worse against Diddy. lol
Wario is Jiggs, but worse against Diddy. lol
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
**** yeah crotch pokes, *** waggling (BEST TAUNT EVER), and massive, game-ending farts. Almost reminds me of me IRL. 
I <3 wario.
I <3 wario.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Week #10: R.O.B. the Mother****ing Robot
MrEh
Smash Hero
He fires lasers.
That's the only reason why I'd use him. lol
That's the only reason why I'd use him. lol
Cassius.
you're deadMEAT.
^^^Couldn't you use Samus then..or Fox or Falco [not quite Falco] or Wolf then...? o.o
Anyway...Rob gets Cg'd by D3, so idk if he's viable for that. However, he does wonder's against IC's and [dont quote me on this] He does pretty ok against Diddy. I suppose he's decent lol. And someone needs to give these new secondaries character ratings.
Anyway...Rob gets Cg'd by D3, so idk if he's viable for that. However, he does wonder's against IC's and [dont quote me on this] He does pretty ok against Diddy. I suppose he's decent lol. And someone needs to give these new secondaries character ratings.
B!squick
Smash Master
R.O.B. shoots lasers from his EYES that bounce off the terrain and are all around much more kick ***.
Does well again a couple of Bowser's worse match ups and I'm sure DeDeDe can be handled with massive camping which is probably better than Bowser's only option (WoK). Not the greatest set of KO moves but is pretty good at edge guarding I imagine. Plus, he's R.O.B., why would you not want to play him?
He has an awesome FAir, NAir, FTilt, DTilt, projectiles and recovery. I love playing him but I wouldn't recommend using him as your anti-camper, although it is possible. He shares a weakness with Bowser, a blind spot beneath him.
He's also pretty easy to play, the main reason I don't even bother posting on the R.O.B. boards. Learn glide tossing, aiming the gyro (I'm a natural at it), efficient use of robo burner, setting up for a BAir kill and you're pretty much set.
My R.O.B. gives me better results than my Bowser most of the time, but honestly, that's just because he's a better character overall.
He's also pretty easy to play, the main reason I don't even bother posting on the R.O.B. boards. Learn glide tossing, aiming the gyro (I'm a natural at it), efficient use of robo burner, setting up for a BAir kill and you're pretty much set.
My R.O.B. gives me better results than my Bowser most of the time, but honestly, that's just because he's a better character overall.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
R.O.B. is sexy and I love him.
But yea, most characters Bowser has trouble with, R.O.B. can deal accordingly with, or at least has even matchups with them. Though he does horrible against Zero Suit Samus.
But yea, most characters Bowser has trouble with, R.O.B. can deal accordingly with, or at least has even matchups with them. Though he does horrible against Zero Suit Samus.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Thank God no one uses Samus. lol
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Oh people do use Zero Suit. You know that hilarious 0 to death Infinite on R.O.B. she has? That DSmash Footstool DAir combo. It looks extremely funny, and puts the poor lil guy into an even more disadvantaged matchup against Zero Suit.
MrEh
Smash Hero
I've seen the infinite, and I think it's hilarious.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
I think everyone but the R.O.B.s find it hilarious, lol.