Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Seik.

Stop making me say

that I played that way

to attract the NK

I am bulletproof

I wanted scum to target me

Also its not like I sat on my *** and blindly pointed at J and said "scum!". I was busy analyzing posts, and trying to persuade all you guys to get behind me on it.

 

[Seikend]

I'm not arguing that Ran should not have been allowed to play, I'm just saying you can't arrive at anything beyond "null" for the whole thing.

IE, you had no reason to take J out of your scum reads based on it. You used it as an escape in an attempt to keep him alive.

When the hell do I take J out of my scumreads for it?

That specific point was null. Everything else J did wasn't. Which is why I questioned him on those other things. How on earth are you reaching the conclusion that J went to null for me just from him defending Ran?

 

[Asdioh]

Hmmm, I see. So are you saying Glyph wasn't scum because if he was, he'd be HARDCORE hurting his own faction by lynching two of his buddies?

Although, do you think Glyph as scum would want the cred?

Yes. I don't care what the situation, there is no reason to kill both of your scummates as quickly as possible, there are other ways to play as scum lol.

Would scumGlyph try to bus J D1, pick up legitimate scumtells from TDW afterwards, and then No Kill so he can claim bulletproof after looking townie already? lol.

Uhhhh what.

The point of a bus is to lynch your scummate to look town.

Scum CAN push for lynches on their own buddies you know.

And the fact he's excluding everything else is scummy. Him tunneling J gives him an excuse to not take stances on anyone else.

I disagree

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Now I know I'm gonna get a lot of **** for basically dropping my obvscum read on J.

I'd say about in the area where you say you're dropping your obvscum read on J

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

If you're looking for my line of though, the whole rest of that post is full of reasons J is scummy. Buuuut you drop the pressure over the Ran stuff. I thought it was pretty straightforward.

 

[Seikend]

Seik.

Stop making me say

that I played that way

to attract the NK

I am bulletproof

I wanted scum to target me

Also its not like I sat on my *** and blindly pointed at J and said "scum!". I was busy analyzing posts, and trying to persuade all you guys to get behind me on it.

Except I don't buy it. You played in a scummy way to draw the NK.

Looks like an excuse to me.

You weren't analysis anyone else's posts.

I'd say about in the area where you say you're dropping your obvscum read on J

my word.

At that point I was stating J was obvscum without reasoning. I took it back, it wasn't obvious. Still scummy though.




Your problem Asdioh. If you're willing to consider scum clear for getting a lynch on both their buddies, why don't scum do it every game?

Oh wait.

That's because it's ridiculous to clear someone for it.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Yes. I don't care what the situation, there is no reason to kill both of your scummates as quickly as possible, there are other ways to play as scum lol.

Would scumGlyph try to bus J D1, pick up legitimate scumtells from TDW afterwards, and then No Kill so he can claim bulletproof after looking townie already? lol.

I disagree

True, but this is also situational. We don't know what scum REALLY will do. It's not always as simple as "This is how it is done, and he isn't doing it that way, so he must NOT be scum"

ScumGlyph CAN do all those things.

Although, nk'ing and then claiming that he was bulletproof and scum tried to kill him can be a good plan as scum.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Seik maybe you missed the part where I didn't pull their names out of a hat, but had to actually work to figure it out.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Uhhhh what.

The point of a bus is to lynch your scummate to look town.

Scum CAN push for lynches on their own buddies you know.

And the fact he's excluding everything else is scummy. Him tunneling J gives him an excuse to not take stances on anyone else.

Do you really believe he'd push onto J/TDW to just get that major CRED? Isn't that a bit ballzy?

J did try something like that in Inception Mafia. : D

 

[Seikend]

And I'm pretty sure I explained why I thought J was a bus.



Someone's gonna have to explain how Glyph pushed TDW. And how they missed the bit where I pushed TDW scum in D2.

 

[Asdioh]

It's pretty obvious that this is all WIFOM in regard to whether Glyph is scum or not. I personally think that the J vs Glyph interactions were not faked, therefore I don't think Glyph was J's scummate.

VOTE COUNT!

[6] JTB - J / Soupamario / Seikend / Pink Lemonade / Smargaret / Toasting Dat Walrus
[5] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / KevinM / JTB / Asdioh
[1] Smargaret - Nabe

[1] Not Voting - Aposl

this looks pretty bad on Seik imo, because he's just following J and stuff... but then JTB posts a big defense, and then magic happens...

Alright. I'm gonna get a crapload of flak if I'm wrong here.

JTB, from deduction I have you as scum.

But I "deducted" Asdioh and Smarg scum and look where that got me.

I'm gonna go with my gut instincts. And goddamn, I better be right.

Vote: J

If J flips scum

Look at TDW and Nabe.

WHY WHY WHY

AHHHH DID THEY TELL YOU TO DO THIS TO LOOK SO TOWN

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Glyph/J Exchange

+ Points for Glyph - Didn't leap to J scum immediately like I thought just based on the RVS post. Slowly worked up to J scum based on J's posts

Well if it isn't our old friend, blatant contradiction!

Oh and before you say "well when I read that time through, I wasn't looking for you to be scum", that's because you know it wasn't scummy. That's why you read it TWICE, and were all for keeping me alive. Kinda defeats the purpose of a re-read if you don't consider everyone null at the start save the people who have flipped and work from there, there's no excuse for completely switching this stance.

 

[Seikend]

It's hard to re-read without biases. Check out Asdioh here.

Starts off just commenting on me and nothing about you.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Seik, I've caught you blatantly changing your opinions when backed into a corner to get me lynched. If that's not the world's biggest scum tell, I don't know what is.

Actually coming out and saying "I'm scum" would be the biggest, but that's a pretty close second.

 

[Asdioh]

@3451: Seik could have been bussing, but JTB was freaking L-1 at that point. ughhhh

Anyway after voting J:

ughh if J flips town I'm willing to take the title of worst mafia player ever.

Seik are you stupid? I don't care about getting flack for this if J does eventually pop scum but you are getting him lychee before he even has the chance to return a result with the risk of losing two PRs?

You even state that you think JTB is scum but are going to lynched the claimed watcher over him because of a recent gut read? My god.

But then J's scumbuddy comes in and reprimands Seik... could this have been planned?

Hang on, Seikend, you think JTB is scum, but because you were wrong about me, you vote J? Is it to late to get a Seikend wagon going? If not, we'd better go for him tomorrow.

hm

I am very much aware that if J flips town tomorrow I'm pretty much good as dead.

dun dun dun, J was scum so he could safely say that if they're buddies

Then why don't you follow up on our gut toMorrow when we have double the information to work with when evaluating scum????

I'm not giving him a pass to endgame nor even one past d2 but we aren't lyching him toDay before he can get a result.

more of TDW trying to convince Seik off.

URgh fine.


Unvote

Intending to hammer.

@JTB If you flip town, I will look straight at J scum tomorrow.

:s changed his mind thanks to TDW..

I assume everyone is fine with me hammering?

@JTB Any last words?

He shall be missed.

Vote: JTB

and then town failed to lynch scum on d1

gj

J imad

:/.

You remember that thing I did right now? Yeah?

How I only backed down because J claimed a PR?

10 of these.

Also want to look at Nabe and TDW, maybe GLG.

TDW coming out of the woodwork when they saw the J wagon might stop, and just now when it might have started again. Only time they've really pushed for a lynch.

Doesn't look good to me.

And then he makes legit observations on how TDW could be scum... ugh.

It's hard to re-read without biases. Check out Asdioh here.

Starts off just commenting on me and nothing about you.

I already said you posted a lot more than glyph...

 

[Seikend]

Dodging questions is pretty scummy too.

You should explain why J was 100% scum, kev was town, and why you had nothing to say about GLG, about now, instead of just relying on what I said.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Seik, I've caught you blatantly changing your opinions when backed into a corner to get me lynched. If that's not the world's biggest scum tell, I don't know what is.

Actually coming out and saying "I'm scum" would be the biggest, but that's a pretty close second.

Like you didn't have your own contradictions.

Anyways, how long have you suspected Seik for, Glyph?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

It's hard to re-read without biases. Check out Asdioh here.

Starts off just commenting on me and nothing about you.

He's trying to come to a decision.

 

[Seikend]

I mean that Asdioh at the start has said very little about Glyph at all. I've constantly had to prompt him to think about the possibility of Glyphscum.

On the topic, Asdioh, do you agree that Glyph was not trying to find scum and that he was being reactive in D1?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Dodging questions is pretty scummy too.

You should explain why J was 100% scum, kev was town, and why you had nothing to say about GLG, about now, instead of just relying on what I said.

Are you KIDDING me

I'm not saying it again. Read my posts. Read why I played like I did on D1.

Like you didn't have your own contradictions.

Anyways, how long have you suspected Seik for, Glyph?

Please please please please tell me you're not still convinced I'm scum because of that thing you found, the one X1 explicitly told you to drop because it wasn't anything.

I thought Seik was town until I got my night actions back.

 

[Asdioh]

Lol soup. You're the one that hammered and you are calling me out for protecting J which should have been the obvious course of action anyway.

Then, aposl comes on saying "oh darn" and everything is cool despite him not actually fighting for either wagon.

It's because I asked if you're stupid, isn't it?

Lolseik*

Stupid phone

Distancing or no?

I'm not calling you out on protecting J.

I'm calling you out on ONLY protecting J today. Nothing else you've done today is memorable for me. You've been inactive all Day, and then you jump out now.

Seems pretty legitimate.

Finally reached D2, noted that J puts Seik in his townreads at the beginning of the day.

 

[Asdioh]

On the topic, Asdioh, do you agree that Glyph was not trying to find scum and that he was being reactive in D1?

Glyph thought J was scum. He focused on him- HARD.
His stances on other players weren't as strong, but does that really matter? He did give stances throughout the day.

 

[Seikend]

.___. Yes it does.

He took stances but he didn't push them at all. Even if he "deducted" J was scum, why wasn't he trying to find the rest of scum?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Distancing or no?

Seems pretty legitimate.

Finally reached D2, noted that J puts Seik in his townreads at the beginning of the day.

why would Kuz's phone correct seik to SOUP or vice versa? LOL

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Seik are you

What

Seik, trying to find the next scum member is pointless until the first one has flipped. THEN you go back and figure out who to look at next.

 

[Asdioh]

He pushed his major scumpick because that's all that you're really supposed to push?
You can look for the rest of the scum after a flip?

And since you're reaching and saying he's not giving stances:

"J-scum flip would imply: PL Scum, potential Seikend scum, potential Soup scum. Asdioh town.
J-town flip (lol) would imply: Pretty much the opposite of that list."

 

[Seikend]

uhhhh whattttttt.


Implying connections is the only scumread.

Are you guys serious?

 

[Asdioh]

Also, if Glyph was bussing J because J supposedly didn't want to play, why was J also trying to get Glyph lynched? :/

Seik I don't understand 3467. You said Glyph is scum because he only focused on ONE person he thought was scum, instead of looking for more scum before the flip.

it's 3:30 am and i've been at this for a while

 

[Pink Lemonade]

If Glyph flipped scum J could have gotten credit instead.

 

[Asdioh]

If Glyph flipped scum J could have gotten credit instead.

point is that J not wanting to play was a part of the argument, I'm discrediting that part. It's entirely possible that they could have bussed each other, but I still don't see it.

 

[Seikend]

Because it would look horrendously SvS if J didn't respond back and just said, yeah I'm scum?

They're pretending to be town dontchaknow.


Yes. That's what I'm saying. If you seriously think that just tunneling on one player and ignoring anyone else is a legitimate way to play, you need to re-evaluate your philosophy. That gives ZERO room for error and if you're wrong you've let scum coast through the entire day with no pressure and taking no stances. Even if you are right, you still let the scumbuddies coast.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I have seen Glyph tunnel as town before tho. Tunneling doesn't = Scum.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Seik that's a wonderful theory for when you're not bulletproof and trying to draw the NK, but when you are, it entirely falls apart. If scum had targeted me, it would have pretty much cleared J in my mind, since that was the sole connection I had established and they pretty clearly wanted him dead. Not being targeted could be attributed (and most likely does) stem from a combination that J was in fact scum and didn't want a trail leading to him, and that there was a PR to kill off.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Also, remember the part where I didn't ignore everyone else? I only made J my strongest (by far) connection.

 

[Seikend]

Stop relying on the fact you're BP Glyph. Unprovable to everyone else.

Explain why you not being targeted has anything to do with Jscum. Any scum team, J or not, would have killed the doc.


You're reactive to everyone else. You make passing comments, but you didn't push or question anything at all.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

point is that J not wanting to play was a part of the argument, I'm discrediting that part. It's entirely possible that they could have bussed each other, but I still don't see it.

If possible, it'd be more likely that J would be instructing Glyph to follow his lead or something.

But really? Cmon.

Please re-iterate HOW glyph caught J scum, and TDW scum, legitly as town. (Meaning how it was genuine to you) and I'll consider it.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Stop relying on the fact you're BP Glyph. Unprovable to everyone else.

Explain why you not being targeted has anything to do with Jscum. Any scum team, J or not, would have killed the doc.


You're reactive to everyone else. You make passing comments, but you didn't push or question anything at all.

What?! That's like telling a cop to stop relying on the guilty they have on someone. I've played this whole game based off the fact that I'm bulletproof, and my play reflects it.

I know they would have only killed the doc, kinda why I brought it up there.

Because I was busy playing to make the most of my bulletproof role.


Oh, and I love that little slip "fact that you're bulletproof". Someone must have had the misfortune of trying to kill me!

 

[Asdioh]

@Asdioh, Nabe, Glyph

Thoughts on J/TDW/Soup scumteam?

yeahhh this looks good for Seik I think because he calls J/TDW scum for legitimate reasons (TDW defending J at the end of D1)

J and Soup are probably scum, but I still don't really see TDW as having done much of anything.

Which I guess is probably because he hasn't taken many stances and is laying low, so yeah, I could see it. Honestly I'd have to look into TDW with an ISO before I committed to lynching him though.

neutral on TDW at this time

@TDW You haven't been scumhunting. All that I remembered you doing is defending J.



Also this.

I have no interest in lynching you toDay currently. I'd rather look at J and Soup. But if they flip scum, it'd lead me to TDW scum.

more good seik stuff

Its pretty clear from Kat's language here that he had to legitimately think out the rules to check whether it was against the rules or not, particularly obvious in the underlined section. Had Kat truly incorporated this restriction into his game somehow, he'd not have to do this

Discuss



/disappears again

Unvote
Vote:J

Nabe being pretty confident that soup is scum but not voting is bleh.

Thought the same GLG but don't want to discuss it. Not so fond of mod speculation.

Seik voting J after X1 convinces him of stuff

'kay, cool.

I'm town cop, unconfirmed sanity.
I have a guilty on TDW and I'd like to lynch him.

Vote: TDW
I'm wondering if my town bro Soup will join me in this.

Nabe's claim

vote: TDW

Nabe, why out yourself when the doctor is dead? I'm glad you've got a guilty and all, but now you're just probably going to die tonight...

Let me do a quick ISO on TDW to see if anything comes up as far as connections to my scum picks goes.

then his iso: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12534989&postcount=2047 where he underlines the J/TDW part looks good on Glyph to me.

Looking for Seik's reactions to the guilty... in the meantime, TDW explicitly states that his strongest townread is Seikend after Nabe asks. Would he be so ballsy if Seik was his scummate? /wifom

 

[Seikend]

What?! That's like telling a cop to stop relying on the guilty they have on someone. I've played this whole game based off the fact that I'm bulletproof, and my play reflects it.

I know they would have only killed the doc, kinda why I brought it up there.

Because I was busy playing to make the most of my bulletproof role.


Oh, and I love that little slip "fact that you're bulletproof". Someone must have had the misfortune of trying to kill me!

Except a guilty is provable. Y'know. Lynch the guilty, see the flip?

We don't have a vig, we can't prove you're BP.

lolsrsly?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Just because there isn't a vig doesn't mean he doesn't have BP.

Although I'd think the BP would be also indie, just from experience with Inception mafia.