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Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

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seikpost elaborating on his vote on J: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12467688&postcount=726

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12467780&postcount=748 :/ "Seik could be scum yeah but wagon Asdioh"

I don't want to corrupt my read but I could easily see the exchange between Seik and J on that page as being directed by J in the QT. The Glyph/J exchange just didn't feel fake like that to me.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12468010&postcount=779 but stuff like this looks good on Seik.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12469591&postcount=823 uh oh


my god D1 IS SO LONG AOIJFGOIJG
 

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Hey guys. I'm just reading, I'll give thoughts later. Told July about the thread being open too.
 

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Finally PL!

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12476783&postcount=959 <-- wanted to bring this up. Seik took a strong "J is scum" stance as I've pointed out, but his reasoning was weak and he ignored most of what J had been doing. He used the "interesting" tell as a large part of his scumread, but then looked at J's stuff in another game and said "oh he uses that word a lot, it's not a scumtell"

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12478385&postcount=965 note this post that TDW makes, that Glyph later points out as TDW's scumtell wrt J. Pretty sure Seik recently said Glyph was neutral in regard to TDW, which really isn't true.



PL help me decide ;_;
 

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In D1 D8.

Ughhh.

You said I was scummy at that point for my lack of interaction with TDW. But you say nothing about Glyph. THATS what I was pointing out. If you're gonna evaluate us, evaluate us equally.

In fact, you've just being commenting on me.

Have you seriously got nothing to say about Glyph? Are you just confirming that you have a scum read on me?
 

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In D1 D8.

Ughhh.

You said I was scummy at that point for my lack of interaction with TDW. But you say nothing about Glyph. THATS what I was pointing out. If you're gonna evaluate us, evaluate us equally.

In fact, you've just being commenting on me.

Have you seriously got nothing to say about Glyph? Are you just confirming that you have a scum read on me?
TDW barely posted, in fact, he was prodded. I'm just looking for connections, but obviously mostly with J since he posts more.

I'm trying to look at things Glyph does, but he posted much less frequently than you. Is that a scum tell? I don't know.
 

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I give up trying to explain the TDW post.

He isn't questioning anything, or addressing any of the interactions. He just sits on his J scum read and occasionally comments on other things.

Even if he was just right about J, why isn't he trying to find J's scumbuddies?
 

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Do not worry, I will help you Asdioh!

First thing though: This side thinks that Seik has put alot of effort, no?
Yes.

*reading through and realizes it's 2:15 and omg ifgjadg*

freaking TDW defended me a lot - random observation lol

I'm on the part where the smarg wagon happened, she's at like L-2 and neither J nor TDW is voting her atm o_o Seik was the one pretty much leading the wagon on her, and I didn't like his reasoning: something about her lying about me being "reluctant to claim"
 

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My thoughts on that:

Most likely the scum were trying to distance on Smarg, since she can be easily thought of as a scum buddy and taken down with them. Yet she turned up to be the doc.

Do you think it was Seik being fake or just trying to hunt scum?
 

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Holy ****

Can you really read a post like that and not be sure Seik is scum?!

Read your response for the second paragraph. 'Kay, anti-town but not scummy. I believe you.
"Sure, J is anti-town, but that doesn't make him scummy."

I had a strong read on Asdioh, but the case is making me question it. If he can make me question my stances, he must be doing something right.
"I know I'm going to get heat for dropping my obv-scum J stance, but man he sure is convincing, and scum is never convincing"

"I'm a sucker for AtE. "
"I don't have a real reason for dropping my pressure, so I'll pretend its because of the AtE"

On top of that, he literally goes out of his way to build A CASE AGAINST J IN THE POST HE SAYS HE BELIEVES J TO BE TOWN.


Why isn't he deaaaaaad
 

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Uhh what.

I didn't say I believed J is town at all. I was just being less stubborn and actually responding to him properly.

Anti-town isn't necessarily scummy. It's true.
 

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So he was flip-flopping on his reads of J. How does that make him scum, Glyph?
Because its non-committal. Not taking hard stances is a perfect scum tactic for backing out on a lynch at the last minute, and gets a lot of use.

Uhh what.

I didn't say I believed J is town at all. I was just being less stubborn and actually responding to him properly.

Anti-town isn't necessarily scummy. It's true.
Except in this case, it most certainly WAS scummy. J flipped scum. Remember? And while I concede that I misread what you said, your backing out on your Jscum stance is just as bad as calling him town.
 

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[collapse=Pre-game]
Kuz --> Notes J is posting "aggro", must be scum again
JTB --> "Oh god not this" @ J's "thank goodness I'm town!" post
X1 --> Supports a J Lynch (he is tentative on this stance)
Soup --> D1's plan consists of tunneling J, joke post[/collapse]

[collapse=D1]
JTB --> Votes J, based off earlier quote? Moves vote to Seik almost immediately after.
Glyph --> States J's #28 feels "hella off", wants a J lynch
J --> Question's Glyph's attack on him when he hasn't said anything officially
Glyph --> Feels the pre-game was reason enough to justify his suspicions
J --> Glyph's vote on Smar was unfounded, tag-a-long. Votes Glyph. (for posts like this with a lot of information in them I'm going to post the link to them. #210
Glyph --> "J is totes scum"
J --> Asks Glyph why
Glyph --> Explains. Cited by someone (Soup I think) as saying "Nuh-uh!" to J's points, but I maintain refuting points against you is something anyone would do. Votes J. #217
J --> Pretty much the same thing again. Quote's Glyph's points and argues against them. States Glyph's vote is OMGUS. #223
PL --> Ask's Glyph to explain why J is scum in one sentence
Glyph --> More J/Glyph back and forth. #230
Glyph --> Responds to PL with "Look at his pregame play.

Oh oh or

J is always scum."
PL --> Not satisfied with Glyph's explanation, pushes for more detailed explanation.
#242-#245 even more Glyph/J happy fun time.
#249-#251, #253, #256, #257,#262, #275-#280, #281 same. There are a lot of these posts, I'd recommend re-reading this whole section and forming your own opinion on it.
PL and J have chummy conversation about both wanting to say the same thing and ninja'ing each other.
J --> Calls out Smar for parroting him
J --> Asks Kev for implications upon a Glyphscum and Smargscum flip. He responds with both clearing him as town plus other stuff he wants to talk about later
Glyph --> Ask J who would be implicated when he flipped scum. (one of the infamous joke posts)
PL --> Again defending J through disagreeing with Glyph's case.
Asdioh --> Scum read on J because "he's J and because of the reasons Glyph said."
Seikend --> Null stance on J
PL --> Once again against Glyph's case against J. Never states J is town though.
Soup --> Town read on J, very non-committal though ("Town for now...")
J --> FoS on Asdioh, quoting the post where Asdioh states he has a scum read on J. Cites Asdioh's failure to explain scum reads as reasoning. Goes on to support a PL post and warn against focusing on KevinM's attitude. Has a town read on Kev and null real on Seik
J --> "PL is interesting to say the least. I am willing to put them as leaning town because I do like that post by PL I already quoted, however it does seem PL is more taking on the pushing Glyph wagon then I had when I just stated that I am calling him scum based on what I find hypocritic/weird/scummy behaviour. KevinM's point on them saying they are already okay with a Glyph lynch is good because even I'm not okay with setting a lynch as of yet. From what I've seen though. Ran/Joey side = null, July side = townish. Ran is looking a little townie but I need to look into them more in depth because most of the stuff I remember is him co-pushing the Glyph wagon harder then I have been." Couldn't really think of a good way to summarize this, so here read it yourself.
GLG --> Lists J as a potential scummate of Smar; possible staged fight between Glyph and J. Also asks Kev why he's buddying with J. (he goes on to withdraw this after clarification from KevinM)
Glyph --> #477 Explanation of push against J.
J --> Votes Asdioh. No mention of why in post, implied for prior reasons.
J/X1 argue over whether or not to allow Ran to post on his hydra, with occasional comments from the other players
Seikend --> Explains J's standpoint to X1. Potentially had it explained to him outside of the thread.
GLG --> Votes J
J --> Glyph = scum read, BSL = Town Read
J --> Whoooole buncha AtE.
Seik --> Votes J based off "interesting" tell explained by GLG
Asdioh --> Claims using cute faces is often a scumtell (directed at J), also states that every post J makes is a scumtell (clearly an exaggeration but he's taking a pretty distinct "J is scum" stance) votes J.
JTB --> Expresses concerns with Seik's J vote based off the interesting tell.
BSL --> J might be scum
J --> #610 "*comes back for a breif sec*

Huh that's really interesting. One person speaks up on J is scum and now everyone is saying "J scum, J scum, J scum." based off of really weak reasoning.

Wow this is helping me so much with my reads. =o

I'll do a list with my response."
JTB --> J scumteam with BSL and Seikend
KevinM --> "could look at J not sure would have to reread"
Soup --> Town read on J
J --> MASSIVE post on why Asdioh is scum. Had already voted for Asdioh in the past but waited this long to post a case okay.
J --> Scum: Asdioh, Seikend, Glyph
Null: GLG, Smarg, TDW, BSL, Aposl
Town: KevinM, Soupa, PL, JTB [note JTB was omitted in the first list]

Seik --> J/JTB scumteam possible[/collapse]

That covers up to page mutha****in 20. I can keep going if you want, but my point that there's certainly connections made between J and others should be made times a million.

My personal reads based off this (not including myself since I know I am town, but you should make your own inferenced based off of your reread):
J-scum flip would imply: PL Scum, potential Seikend scum, potential Soup scum. Asdioh town.
J-town flip (lol) would imply: Pretty much the opposite of that list.
remember when Glyph made this post
 

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Because its non-committal. Not taking hard stances is a perfect scum tactic for backing out on a lynch at the last minute, and gets a lot of use.



Except in this case, it most certainly WAS scummy. J flipped scum. Remember? And while I concede that I misread what you said, your backing out on your Jscum stance is just as bad as calling him town.
You're seriously calling me out for not taking hard stances?

Just remind me of the hard stances you took besides Jscum?

iirc, it was in reference to J defending Ran's right to post in the hydra. I still stand by that wasn't J being scum, it was J wanting Ran to play the game. Not scummy.

J was scum doesn't make everything he says scummy. Sorry.
 

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also note the posts after Glyph's big wall.

Daaamn thats a lot of work Glyph :/. Thanks very much.


Right, I'm happy with Asdioh as town.

I still believe J is town but eh, those connections look good and I don't think we're going to lynch anyone I see as scummy toDay.

@Glyph On a townflip would you pursue Asdioh scum? You believe his claim currently.
Yes. A large part of my believing his claim stemmed from J making a huge case against him and that J is my biggest scum read. If J flips town, that lends a lot more credibility to his case since right now I see it as him trying to pass the buck to another player to save himself (I've decided its probably not a bus based on overall interactions).
Alright, good enough for me.

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Holy crap Glyph :o Kk...I don't want Glyph dead, it's not like he's under intense pressure to be lynched toDay, his belief that J is scum looks legit.

However, its still my opinion that J is town. At least remember before ya'll lynch him there is no twilight in this game so if we want final thoughts from him, we need to get them before someone hammers.
 

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Fine. *crosses arms*

Oh about that. I actually really liked that from J, personally. But I was just second guessing him and X1 xD

Most of the hydra thought J to be town because of his play and his pr possibly being true.

I didn't think so because of the way he claimed, I asked him and Zen about it further.
 

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You're seriously calling me out for not taking hard stances?

Just remind me of the hard stances you took besides Jscum?

iirc, it was in reference to J defending Ran's right to post in the hydra. I still stand by that wasn't J being scum, it was J wanting Ran to play the game. Not scummy.

J was scum doesn't make everything he says scummy. Sorry.
Do you not remember the QT logs X1 posted, where it showed that J totally and completely played to win, and not so everyone can have a big rainbow sticker at the end of the game? It WAS scummy, and it was nothing more than a ploy to give you an excuse to let the pressure off him.
 

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When J was defending X1's plan, he wasn't scumhunting. So that shouldn't have been based on his alignment, and more so just the spirit of playing the game.
 

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Absolutely not, everything done in a mafia game should be done with a purpose, ESPECIALLY when you're scum. J playing the good guy makes people want to call him town, while making big ol' mean X1 look scummy, when in reality the roles were inverted.
 

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Sorry, Glyph. Completely disagree.

We'll see from J endgame I guess.


Not sure how it gives me an excuse to let pressure off J though.

I didn't call J scum until /after/ he and GLG had their little argument.
 

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Seik I'm getting kinda tired of you ducking my points by saying "well I disagree". If I'm wrong, prove it.
 

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here's where J claimed watcher, and look at the posts after it and stuff:http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12500782#post12500782
Particularly where JTB says "he might be safeclaiming" and J jumps at the opportunity to lynch him :urg: freaking knew JTB shouldn't have been lynched.

Seik's 1429 looks pretty good wrt TDW... maybe? Their interactions could be faked though, sigh.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12501784&postcount=1505 man Glyph isn't J's scummate :/
Explain the bold please. How is that?
 

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Ok. If scum try to bus each other, do they tunnel TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL ELSE, INCLUDING MISLYNCHES in an attempt to look *so* town, or will they drop the bus if they see an opportunity?

Glyph could have easily dropped his stuff on J at that point and gone with JTB or whoever else. He could have said he would continue on J toMorrow http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12501914&postcount=1522 kind of like he did here, but without the "J, no, you ARE being lynched today" part.

It's obvious to me that Glyph had a REALLY REALLY STRONG scumread on J, and that if he were bussing a scummate, he wouldn't have pushed it quite THAT hard.
 

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PL I'm pretty sure it has to do with the quote right next to it
 

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Ugh. Fine.

Here's how I see J's thoughts on the matter.

Play the game.

That's it.

Hell yeah, J's gonna play to win. If you're not, you're screwing over your own faction. But you don't play to win at the cost of letting someone else play the game and try to win.

By playing to win, J is playing the game. Even if he's pushing for mislynches, and AtEing. It's still playing the game, and doesn't inhibit others from trying. If you get mislynched, you didn't try hard enough. Just saying Ran can't post doesn't even give him a chance to try and play.
 

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I'm not arguing that Ran should not have been allowed to play, I'm just saying you can't arrive at anything beyond "null" for the whole thing.

IE, you had no reason to take J out of your scum reads based on it. You used it as an escape in an attempt to keep him alive.
 

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Ok. If scum try to bus each other, do they tunnel TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL ELSE, INCLUDING MISLYNCHES in an attempt to look *so* town, or will they drop the bus if they see an opportunity?

Glyph could have easily dropped his stuff on J at that point and gone with JTB or whoever else. He could have said he would continue on J toMorrow http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12501914&postcount=1522 kind of like he did here, but without the "J, no, you ARE being lynched today" part.

It's obvious to me that Glyph had a REALLY REALLY STRONG scumread on J, and that if he were bussing a scummate, he wouldn't have pushed it quite THAT hard.
Hmmm, I see. So are you saying Glyph wasn't scum because if he was, he'd be HARDCORE hurting his own faction by lynching two of his buddies?

Although, do you think Glyph as scum would want the cred?
 

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Ok. If scum try to bus each other, do they tunnel TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL ELSE, INCLUDING MISLYNCHES in an attempt to look *so* town, or will they drop the bus if they see an opportunity?

Glyph could have easily dropped his stuff on J at that point and gone with JTB or whoever else. He could have said he would continue on J toMorrow http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12501914&postcount=1522 kind of like he did here, but without the "J, no, you ARE being lynched today" part.

It's obvious to me that Glyph had a REALLY REALLY STRONG scumread on J, and that if he were bussing a scummate, he wouldn't have pushed it quite THAT hard.
Uhhhh what.

The point of a bus is to lynch your scummate to look town.

Scum CAN push for lynches on their own buddies you know.

And the fact he's excluding everything else is scummy. Him tunneling J gives him an excuse to not take stances on anyone else.
 
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