Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[Aposl]

uhhh asdioh glyph wouldn't tell us he loses his power when a bingo happens or allude to that if he wanted us to get a bingo to reveal an extra power, right?

 

[Asdioh]

@Seik: I've been assuming 3 man Mafia, with a potential Indy, as seems to be the norm for 13 man games, but this game is different in a lot of ways. If we consider that Glyph could be lying about being town, then the town PRs are pretty gimpy: a doctor that doesn't know who she's protecting, a cop that doesn't know who he's investigating, and a guy that helps those two PRs figure it out, but only one number per Night, and he runs the risk of dying once he claims.

Now consider that the Town is kind of gimpy, the mafia also is as well, if they're just two Goons. However, it's obvious that they gain some sort of bonus from a Bingo. Who knows what that would be: a Strongman kill, or an extra kill.... with a 2 man mafia + bingo benefits, I'm thinking 2 mafia + 1 indy is very viable.

@Aposl: \(o_o)/
I don't think getting a bingo would reveal anything to Town

 

[Seikend]

How do we know the Doc doesn't know who he's protecting?

Number Doctor might be flavour. Smarg said nothing about having to protect a number, so I'm assuming it's a normal doc.

 

[Seikend]

she's protecting.

Sorry Smargaret .__.;

 

[Seikend]

Pl's response doesn't sit well with me at all.

@Seikend: I honestly don't remember, I just remember feeling that Kuz was acting here more like he did in BIM4 than in Celebrity mafia, so not taking a leadership role and scumhunting in a critical way whether than straight-up pushing until he did so on Soup. I honestly can't remember any exact posts though.

Looks like their read is based on gut and meta.

"6. Toasting Dat Walrus- straightforward, has scum picks, has been pretty actively pushing his scum picks and pushing against other players for reactions, town play so far"

But their reasoning for TDW town says an entirely different story.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

We both get reads differently.

But I can understand your reasoning. I think Glyph is scum for the same thing.

 

[Asdioh]

How do we know the Doc doesn't know who he's protecting?

Number Doctor might be flavour. Smarg said nothing about having to protect a number, so I'm assuming it's a normal doc.

Maybe, maybe not. She might have not wanted to mention it, as scum could use that to their advantage.

imo, lynch between PL/Glyph/NL toDay.

 

[Aposl]

@ASDIOH i was saying if he was trying to trick town into getting a bingo, obviously he wouldnt tell town to go for a bingo, and obviously he would have to be scum for that to upgrade him...

I was saying your accusation of glyph for these reasons is weak, he said his weakness probably is when scum gets a bingo, get it now? By saying this he super deters town from even wanting to lynch people who would make bingos.

Also thinking glyph could be 1, im going to investigate 1 tonight because x1 wants me too, but I think it will end up being glyph.

 

[Seikend]

@PL

Alright, your reason for different explanations makes sense.

Can you explain what you mean by the Glyph scum bit? Not quite sure what the parallel is.

 

[July]

Like, its what I legitimately felt at the time, not gonna deny that but I really can't remember right now and at least i know right now I can go back and look up what posts stood out to me as scumhunting but I can't right now, a bit preoccupied with finals. And the fact of the matter is that as town or scum Kuz is smart enough to scumhunt or "scumhunt", I'm just saying that I took his scumhunting here to be legit from what I've seen from him before. He pushed here for info and reactions, but when I've seen him as scum elsewhere he seemed to push in a blunt less critical way until the person was claimed or dead.

And my part is based on gut and meta right now because I don't have time to reread :-/ sorry but being honest with you about what I remember about my read right now

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I mean I think he has been distancing on J earlier when he said J scum j scum for the same reason KevinM was town, who was town! J flipped scum, Kev flipped town.

Your reasoning for me possibly being scum with TDW is for 'buddying' and a town read on him. Buddying/Distancing are sort of the same thing.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

#Seik: Also check my #2923 please.

 

[Seikend]

Yeah, I remember that. Definitely a contradiction, but I need to make it clear in my mind that it's a scummy one. Don't feel good about a lynch on one contradiction.

I like PL's responses. Reasons for why they thought TDW was actively scumhunting are needed but there's no rush.

They're also making me doubt my Glyph clear :/.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I understand.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

PL do you not remember when I would, you know, support my case against J? Its one thing to say "Player X is scum!" and another to say "Player X is scum and here's why I think so", especially when the points that are raised are solid ones.

I'm still really confused as to why you waited this long to bring it up. If you read the context of the quote, you right afterwards call me "100% scum" and push for my lynch. Then you just kinda... stop. In fact you do a total turn around, calling me "extremely pro-town" (#2845) at the beginning of today.

So why no pressure on that quote on days 2, 3, or 4? 2 and 3 I'm sure you'll justify with 'I didn't know J's flip', but 4? All the information was present, and you maintained a town read on me.

To summarize: you claim that you needed J's scumflip and Kev's town clear to make that read, but then why were you so confident right after it happened and with no flip/clear to support it? Why no D4 pressure at all?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I have already pressured you about it in the past. After J flipping scum, and Kev being cleared as town, I had to re-iterate it.

Do you think I am wrong?

Why would you LIE of all things?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

You keep saying that, that I LIED. I wasn't purposely misleading anyone by saying that, I just flat out wasn't thinking about it. If everytime someone tells you something wrong they're a liar, then I don't think anyone here is in any better shape than I am.

Link me to where you pressured me, maybe I just am remembering it wrong then.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

And I think you missed the part about D4 having all the same information.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Explain to me in one sentence, why J is scum to you in your eyes.

Look at his pregame play.

Oh oh or

J is always scum.

It all starts from here. Also that was your answer to my question, and I had further pressured you on it.

*Look at the blue icon at the top of the quote, it'll take you to that post ;o*

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Uhhhhhh that's D1. And 2 pages before the KevinM fiasco.

I'm looking for follow up pressure to the post, IE something during D2, D3, or D4.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Let me ask you something. What day did we lynch Zen/J?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

D3. Which is why I made a note of it. Remember?

So why no pressure on that quote on days 2, 3, or 4? 2 and 3 I'm sure you'll justify with 'I didn't know J's flip', but 4? All the information was present, and you maintained a town read on me.

 

[Asdioh]

Kind of confused with the PL/Glyph exchange. What is the point you're trying to get at, PL?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Sorry something happened today I needed to take care of, read list in the morning for X1 and co.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

D3. Which is why I made a note of it. Remember?

I dunno, I bring it up now. If I were on I'd have done it earlier. It doesn't change my read on you, Glyph.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

So you're saying you didn't bring it up earlier because you weren't on at all during D3? PL do you not see how this is sitting wrong with me? It totally looks like you're looking for whatever you can get to push a lynch today.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Exactly.

Not really. I didn't lie like you did.

I'm trying to draw connections to past scum. I don't see how that is a problem.

 

[Asdioh]

No really, PL what are you saying o_O

Glyph is scum because ______?

I'm kind of confused.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Asdioh, look at my #3019. Click on the blue icon with the > on it. Re-read that.

I am saying Glyph can be scum possibly due to his interactions with J. (And for lying about reading up on Kevin's games)

 

[Kataefi]

VOTE COUNT!

[3] No Lynch - Asdioh / Glyphmoney / Aposl
[1] Glyphmoney - Pink Lemonade

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Asdioh
[0] Red Ryu
[0] Seikend
[0] Aposl

[3] Not Voting: Red Ryu / Seikend / GandhiLaserGun

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Deadline set for Tuesday, May 10th, Midnight GMT.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, look at my #3019. Click on the blue icon with the > on it. Re-read that.

I remember seeing that a long time ago and not thinking it's a big deal?

I am saying Glyph can be scum possibly due to his interactions with J.

As in, Mafia together? I don't see it...

(And for lying about reading up on Kevin's games)

This holds more substance.

 

[Seikend]

.___.;

Asdioh's black font on Revolution.

Welp, about to start my reread. Won't get distracted this time.

 

[Asdioh]

my font isn't black o_o
I did change my custom font text color to "****s" to see what would happen, but it looks normal to me.
/fixes it

 

[Seikend]

Glyph/J Exchange

+ Points for Glyph - Didn't leap to J scum immediately like I thought just based on the RVS post. Slowly worked up to J scum based on J's posts

- Points for PL - http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12450916&postcount=261 Suggesting we lynch Glyph because he hasn't re-explained himself, minimal interaction with J, everything directed at Glyph. Don't think they took a stance on J

? For Asdioh - http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12452675&postcount=392 Bunch of well explained neutral stances, unexplained scum stances. Does have J scum though.


Just post this for now.

If the only case against Glyph is based on early D1 then I'm cool with Glyph town.

 

[Seikend]

Think of it like this Smargz, even though I think I've made it abundantly clear: If BSL flips town, then I think Glyph is scum. If BSL flips scum, then I'll have to reread/talk to Kuz about Glyph. In my head scum's def. in there between those two. Do you think that BSL v Glyph can possibly be T v T?

Obtw there's such thing as EBWOPing that vote in .

Soupamario I'm mad let down mang, but I hope to see watchu got.

Posting like 15 mins after waking up. Sorry if anything's not clear. Just had to read up right quick before heading out.

Would Gord set himself up to lynch Glyph as his scumbuddy, when he knew BSL would flip town?

Looks to me he knew they were both town.

 

[Seikend]

Currently at page 22.

Feeling Glyph is town.

Pretty Null on Asdioh. J does produce a case on him, but he hasn't pushed it much, yet. His play has been eh.

Don't like PL's lack of interaction with J at all, besides commenting on how the hydra should post. During Glyph/J they just addressed Glyph and in Asdioh/J they just address Asdioh.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ok my read list,

Pink Lemonade - I think this three headed hydra is scum. I noticed this popped up a lot.

Glyph is null leaning scum, but I'm mad inclined to believe that Glyph and J aren't the same alignment. If J flips scum, Glyph is town, and vice versa. And PL is town.

That's quite subjective. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that... I AM scumhunting. But how am I supposed to defend myself? Oh wait that's right I have people like Pink Lemonade who realize that I'm scumhunting. Ggs.

Toasting was more sure PL was town and stayed pretty short with it. PL also jumped on Zen after the hydra was prodded, granted I think this is a case of trying to blend in when Zen got a lot of heat.

The problem is that GLG acted like we could even claim numbers, which if he were town he knows that we do not know our numbers, if he doesn't have one there is no reason to suspect anyone else has one that they even could claim. It could be a scum slip, which I admit would be a really careless scum slip for X1. IGMEOY GLG, but still feel better about a Zen lynch.



D2 was a decent town read on J, D1 I had the strongest town read on J I had had but I honestly didn't think the roleblock and posting restriction possibility was too far fetched. Honestly I feel behind on this thread (Ran was going to keep me up to date here while I got started in Pizza mafia but then he got busy too) but Zen's play has been so-so and the "hello:sue" restriction...I don't understand how that fits into yesterDay's restriction.

The J/Zen player slot honestly confuses me, and it's hard to scumhunt when so much of the game revolves around if J/Zen's claim is true, and I feel like the whole town is struggling with that and it will only get worse if we let it go until toMorrow.



I am honestly having a very hard time figuring out J/Zen's alignment, and I find I constantly have an issue with remedying J's play with his claim. Claim is scummy, J's play wasn't imo. Zen's play has not been great since he replaced in, and with that factored in with the claim I would say Zen is null-scummy. Really my vote on Zen is foremost because I want to clear things up with the player slot, being completely honest.



Kk I explained above but if you have any further questions about it just let me know.

No commitment after he talks more about his vote just to figure out alignment, which I think is BS at this point.

Well part of the problem, which isn't his fault if the posting restriction is true, but the "Hello: Sue" thing is really strange and I don't know how it lines up with the posting restriction from D2.

The actually suspicious things are just little things that add up, such as the sudden hammer on TDW and the fact that he has spent most of toDay explaining for J and defending himself. His suspicions of Glyph are very narrowly focused on his actions/interactions with J, but does not look at the larger picture and his broader actions in the game. Even if he still finds him scummy after looking at broader posts, at least it would be a more complete picture. Not sure I believe the breaking posting restriction=modkill, but idk Kat's mod style so I guess it is possible...but still unlikely. There are a lot of posts but many boil down to self-defense or addressing questions.

Iffy posts in 2270 and 2303. 2270 Zen says that he would rather be lynched than modkilled, and to a certain point I understand that. 2303 is an appeal that his lynch isn't the best toDay; once again understandable if he is a pr. However, this part doesn't set well with me:



Piece by piece his arguments are reasonable, but these could also very well be signs of scum trying to live Day by Day and get a lynch off that is not on him.

I do give Zen credit though on his Asdioh post, he did put effort into it and dug beyond just J's connections. However, this isn't too much in the scheme of things, especially when he turned around and started pushing Glyph and left the Asdioh case behind. I feel J did a lot more scumhunting and that is what gave me a town vibe on J, and Zen all in all has been scummier and the claim and posting restriction, those are the kickers that makes me worry about Zen scum.

I dunno about this, he seems to doubt Zen but trust J before replacing out. I find this to still be rather uncommitted about Zen.

Later he does vote to hammer, granted I feel like this is a, "I give up post"

I dunno PL seems like the most likely to be scum atm.

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GandhiLaserGun - Town, meta call from FE mafia and his play is consistent with that as town. Not only that but I found him to be more so against Mafia opinions with many like Zen wanting a lynch on him, He's not mafia aligned that much I am sure.

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Asdioh - J did in fact focus on him a lot, Zen didn't as much though. I'll say null since I'm not finding that point to be very strong compared to this kind of eh feeling I got from him. I may need to look at him some more and so should other players.

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Seikend - There is only one player I have seen self vote that was scum, that was Gheb_01, both times he did it to end the day and or have his scummate win the game. It's anti-Town but I wouldn't say he is scum, since doing this makes less sense if he was scum.

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Aposl - Of the two coppish roles I trust him less than GLG, But I have to concede to X1's point of it making less sense for their both of their roles being worthless without each other. Not fully cleared town, but I feel like X1 is right about this.

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Glyph - He has to be an indy at worst, town at best. No way he is mafia, his interaction with TDW and Zen would make no sense otherwise. Zen at the very least wasn't fond of Zen witrh GLG focusing and pushing his lynch far harder than most of the players in this game.

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I dunno about a no lynch, but I guess I cna see why it would be good, however I would rather go for a lynch since I doubt this is a mylo or lylo situation atm.

Vote: Pink Lemonade

 

[Seikend]

Cool. I like RR.

I've liked a lot of PL's recent play but yeah, a lot of their early stuff is pretty bleh.

 

[Seikend]

In #552 I state that I think Ran should post on the hydra. Its after a bolded section that says "@Pink Lemonade"
In #577 Joey somehow manages to not notice the part of my #552.

OK, so what? He skimmed, no biggie really.

#789 Joey posts saying that Asdioh has missed out some of the points against him. Joey misses a huge paragraph directed at him in bold, but notices a few missing paragraphs from a wall of text?

In fact if we just look at #789I'm not gonna lie looks like terrible scum distancing to me - couple that with the fact he's paying particular attention to the case on Asdioh for some reason. Thoughts Nabe?

Can you explain this for me GLG?

Responding to prod.

Vote: Asdioh

Showing where I stand on the issue.

Many of J's posts resemble his scum meta, but there is something distinctly different about them this game that I can't quite put my finger on. However, it rings extremely townie with me. I agree with Nabe that both are good candidates if we specifically want to look for connections, but I think Asdioh is looking scummier.

Thats L-2, yeah? Should be fine there.

@Nabe: who consists of the J group and the Smarg group?
@J and Asdioh: top two scumpicks besides one another.
@GLG: After you catch up with Asdioh, re-evaluated read on Seikend. Is his reluctance to take a side on J vs Asdioh simple cautiousness or scum not trying to become to affiliated with a wagon?
@Seikend, remind me of your read on Smarg.

No explanation for why Asdioh is scum, but votes Asdioh. Not a strong towntell for Asdioh though. If they were both scum TDW would have to vote one of them.

@J

curious, but is there a reason you excluded me in your post?

Fine, I'll re-read smarg, you give me who you'll look at on both flips and get back to each other kay?

Soupa, I also excluded KevinM, TDW, PL, and Apsol i believe. Idk didn't think of anything relevant to say besides of the quote Seikend said to respond to.

J excludes Soup, Kev, TDW, PL and Aposl.


Done with D1.

From towniest to scummiest based on D1 I'm feeling

Glyph Asdioh KevinM PL

Will read D2 later. Need a break.

 

[X1-12]

Hi, I'm Red Ryu

Toasting was more sure PL was town and stayed pretty short with it. PL also jumped on Zen after the hydra was prodded, granted I think this is a case of trying to blend in when Zen got a lot of heat.

No commitment after he talks more about his vote just to figure out alignment, which I think is BS at this point.


I dunno about this, he seems to doubt Zen but trust J before replacing out. I find this to still be rather uncommitted about Zen.

Later he does vote to hammer, granted I feel like this is a, "I give up post"

I dunno PL seems like the most likely to be scum atm.

Toasting thought PL is town. PL must be scum, I know PL did attack, and even hammer Zen, but another of his points I just think is BS so yeah, he's scum.

GandhiLaserGun - Town, meta call from FE mafia and his play is consistent with that as town. Not only that but I found him to be more so against Mafia opinions with many like Zen wanting a lynch on him, He's not mafia aligned that much I am sure.

my read upon this player is based on my meta from 1 game and incorrect information about the opinions of scum players (Zen stated I was town)

Asdioh - J did in fact focus on him a lot, Zen didn't as much though. I'll say null since I'm not finding that point to be very strong compared to this kind of eh feeling I got from him. I may need to look at him some more and so should other players.

This player was attacked very much by scum, but only during the majority of the game. I'm still going to call him scum based upon a general unexplainable feeling which I have about him.

Aposl - Of the two coppish roles I trust him less than GLG, But I have to concede to X1's point of it making less sense for their both of their roles being worthless without each other. Not fully cleared town, but I feel like X1 is right about this.

X1 has repeatedly stated that Aposl is completely confirmed town if you believe X1 to be town, but nahh, I'm gonna still leave the possibility that he's scum in there

Glyph - He has to be an indy at worst, town at best. No way he is mafia, his interaction with TDW and Zen would make no sense otherwise. Zen at the very least wasn't fond of Zen witrh GLG focusing and pushing his lynch far harder than most of the players in this game.

This paragraph makes very little sense, but of what it does he says he likes glyph for his interaction with Zen.. No mention of J

I dunno about a no lynch, but I guess I cna see why it would be good, however I would rather go for a lynch since I doubt this is a mylo or lylo situation atm.

Weakest stance ever, stating he can't see any reason to, despite the much discussed possibility that there could be no killing roles left in the game....


seriously