Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[X1-12]

Seik I was saying it looks like Joey (PL) was distancing from Asdioh

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hi, I'm Red Ryu

Toasting thought PL is town. PL must be scum, I know PL did attack, and even hammer Zen, but another of his points I just think is BS so yeah, he's scum.

Did you read anything else I said about that or did you skim it?

While he voted and hammered Zen he remained uncommitted on his stance until he voted. Toasting kept calling PL town a lot of the times, man of which were one liners that I quoted before. PL attack on Zen was weak, I wasn't convinced it was T v S but rather scum trying to blend in when he saw no hope left.

my read upon this player is based on my meta from 1 game and incorrect information about the opinions of scum players (Zen stated I was town)

That one game was enough for me to see you playing in the same way I hated back them, even if I was scum in that game. Your play has been consistent and I find little reason to lynch you seeing as m,m,y only reason to seek on out at this point is, "I don't like your playstyle" Which isn't a scum reason to do so.

This player was attacked very much by scum, but only during the majority of the game. I'm still going to call him scum based upon a general unexplainable feeling which I have about him.

Unless you think he isn't an indy sure. I'm not dismissing anyone from that call out and I'm not convinced he isn't scum because one scum team wanted to try and force a lynch on him.

X1 has repeatedly stated that Aposl is completely confirmed town if you believe X1 to be town, but nahh, I'm gonna still leave the possibility that he's scum in there

I find your play to be better than his as town, that is why I think your less likely to flip scum if at all, which I don't think you will.

This paragraph makes very little sense, but of what it does he says he likes glyph for his interaction with Zen.. No mention of J

Because that was the biggest tell to me he wasn't aligned with them. Zen vs Glyph pretty much gave me the, He's not with them, impression.

Weakest stance ever, stating he can't see any reason to, despite the much discussed possibility that there could be no killing roles left in the game....

Why are you so sure this is the case? You seem too sure scum can't kill at this point rather than something else going on.

seriously

 

[Pink Lemonade]

2/3 of this hydra had a town read on J for being nice.

1/3 had a null read on J because J was nice and buddied me in DKR and flipped scum there too.

 

[Seikend]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12516371&postcount=1765
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12516404&postcount=1766
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12516488&postcount=1767

Just me who finds this hilarious?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12516530&postcount=1769

I like this point from Asdioh, particularly the point concerning TDW.

Gonna keep reading, but PL hardly commenting on J or communicating with J is a bit disconcerting. So far in D2 it's just been asking about the mechanics of his posting restriction.


Aaand I got disrupted by the "maintenance".

 

[Seikend]

Oh, forgot to explain.

@Asdioh Ceebs means can't be bothered, basically.

Salty about Glyph getting double points for J/TDW but I get nothing for calling TDWscum before Nabe faked the TDW guilty .__.

Asdioh's, Glyph's and PL's response to the Nabe guilty all look towny.

Asdioh's vote on Soup was bleh.


Oh. I also found out what I wasn't on the TDW wagon on D3. I was V/LA for several days and missed Nabe's guilty claim on TDW. I got back, http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12550704&postcount=2178 , asked Nabe for his reasoning for townSoup, then Zen hammers TDW. I didn't have an opportunity to vote TDW.

Reading in context is awesome.

Glyph still looks fine. PL looking better, but still iffy. Asdioh generally looking fine but a few hiccups. KevinM practically non-existant.

 

[Seikend]

* Why I wasn't.

*TDW wagon on D2.

Reading D3 now. Don't mind me, triple posting.

 

[Asdioh]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12516530&postcount=1769

I like this point from Asdioh, particularly the point concerning TDW.

It doesn't get much more town than that, folks.

Replace "town" with "not-mafia" if you insist. But I'm a VT.

 

[Asdioh]

Reading in context is awesome.

Spoiler

i had to find SOME use for this picture

 

[Seikend]

Day 3.

I really like Kev's D1 play but it's hard to keep a townread when he's got no substance after that. Fluff posts. Ask for scumpicks, get nothing. Not sure what to think of him.

I think Asdioh is town based on the Zen scumflip. First time I read it it didn't feel Zen/J Was pushing Asdiohscum so hard, but my re-read has made me think otherwise. I think my gut scumread on Asdioh is based on his constant posts clearing himself.

PL's play looks a lot better in D3.

Aposl's D3 play still makes me go bleh.

@Aposl What's your current scumpicks? I've forgotten.

 

[Asdioh]

I think Asdioh is town based on the Zen scumflip. First time I read it it didn't feel Zen/J Was pushing Asdiohscum so hard, but my re-read has made me think otherwise. I think my gut scumread on Asdioh is based on his constant posts clearing himself.

If I were scum, would I repeatedly clear myself? No.

Spoiler

 

[Seikend]

Yeah, I see why I had PL as super town in D4. A lot better than every other day imo.

Glyph's lack of anything in D5 is kinda bleh. I appreciate not feeling anyone is scum but I dont know. Doesn't seem to be doing any work to find scum.

Ignoring set up, Out of Asdioh, PL, RR and Glyph. I'd have Asdioh>Glyph>PL>RR in the townie scale.

Asdioh has generally been pretty good. Stupid gut.
Glyph's early play was good. Not doing anything toDay is bleh, but ah well.
PL is the opposite of Glyph. Scummy early on, looks good now.
RR is Null for me.

@RR Is PL the only scumpick you have? Who else is possibly scum, and why?
@Aposl Said it before, but repeating it so it's clearer. Scumpicks?

 

[Asdioh]

Seik, during your reread, did anyone on the Soup wagon give you the impression that they might have known he was town, but went along with his lynch anyway?

VOTE COUNT!

[5] Soupamario - Asdioh / Pink Lemonade / GandhiLaserGun / Seikend / Soupamario
[1] Aposl - Glyphmoney

[0] Asdioh
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Red Ryu
[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] Seikend

[2] Not Voting: Red Ryu / Aposl

err... lol soup voting himself

 

[Asdioh]

I should also ask if anyone seemed like they were not on the Soup wagon because they knew he was town, when they shouldn't have known such a thing?

 

[Asdioh]

1. mafia goon
2. mafia goon
3. indy of some sort
4. vanilla townie
5. vanilla townie
6. vanilla townie
7. vanilla townie
8. vanilla townie
9. vanilla townie
10. number doctor
11. number cop
12. number detector
13. bulletproof townie

Only two mafia, only one indy... seem possible to you? It seems a little overpowered for town, but if you consider that the town PRs seem a little weaker than normal, except for the BP one, and that scum (both indy and mafia, most likely) gain benefits from bingos, it could balance out. Next consider how desperate TDW and J seemed to keep each other alive, I think that further helps my two mafia theory. I also wonder if J's watcher claim was a safeclaim he was given. Speaking of claims, did TDW ever claim? I don't remember what he claimed...probably VT? o_o

If we're dealing with an indy, I'm guessing they show up innocent, and I would probably guess Red Kevinryu is the most likely, for his play that I pointed out earlier in the game.

 

[Seikend]

I remember PL initially had Soup as a townread during D3. However, they do say that they re-read, which I believe.

People on the wagon seem legit to me.

Likewise off. RR lists Soup as scum after Soup self-voted, but he was still re-reading iirc. Glyph and Aposl seem fine.

Pl's http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12632221&postcount=2792 is pretty odd though, considering they had already voted Soup :/.

Nothing really sticks out to me though. Are you seeing anything?

 

[Asdioh]

that's 6 VTs in my scenario.
JTB, Nabe, and Soup are dead and confirmed, that's 3.
Then there's me, that confirms 4 for me.
Seik, PL, and Red Ryu all claimed VT, which would make 7. So obviously if we're assuming my guess is right, then one of me/seik/pl/red ryu is lying.

It's not me. I kind of doubt it's Seik, as he's putting in a lot of work and... well, seems townie enough. It might be PL, I'll let Seik decide that. It is more likely Red Ryu?

Again, if we're still looking at my setup, then the Bulletproof claim kind of sticks out, but Glyph has been playing pretty well and seems townie enough.

 

[Seikend]

Eh. I guess two mafia one indie is possible, but that seems like a really tough game for an indie with no NK.

 

[Asdioh]

Eh. I guess two mafia one indie is possible, but that seems like a really tough game for an indie with no NK.

Let me make an alternate version then, since it does seem pretty townheavy.

1. mafia goon
2. mafia goon
3. mafia roleblocker
4. vanilla townie
5. vanilla townie
6. vanilla townie
7. vanilla townie
8. vanilla townie
9. vanilla townie
10. number doctor
11. number cop
12. number detector
13. bulletproof indy

This scenario would require someone stupid enough to target Glyph two nights in a row to make sense. Unless you want to keep Glyph as a BP townie, and also add in a BP indy, which would also be stupid for the mafia as he should have targeted someone like Aposl last Night, who most likely seems to be telling the truth and is not bulletproof?

 

[Seikend]

Yeah... I was thinking BP Glyph and BP indy, but I can see what you're getting at.

And I still can't see a reason for scum to not NK.

2 scum sounds more plausible.

If we're assuming there's just an indie left it has to be 13 though. An indie Roleblocker makes no sense in this set up. GLG's result for investigating 13 would have to be a passive ability of 13. Or GLG is lying .__.;

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

English professor moved the essay that's 1/3rd of my grade's due date to tomorrow.

I have done none of it.

I'll be back sometime tomorrow heh

 

[Seikend]

But that would be a dumb passive ability because it'd immediately highlight you as the indie as soon as scum were gone.

ughhhh this game.

 

[Asdioh]

unvote
Vote: 13

 

[Seikend]

I don't see a reason why the indie would want that ability though. Completely screws them over.

Set-up speculation is going nowhere for me. I have no idea. If we want to figure out the setup more I'm fine with a No Lynch.

If we had to go with a lynch today I'd say RR, or maaaaaaybe PL.

 

[Asdioh]

unvote
Vote: Contestant number 13

@Mod: request votecount >=)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Scumpicks:

PL is the strongest pick for me, I find his earlier play shaking and his connections with scum or lack of is too fishy for me.

Glyph but only as an indy. That mess up looks bad, but idk if that alone by itself is worth lynching him over since that is the main thing I didn't like from him. The reread I did didn't have any problems for me.

Asdioh is gut, so I have no legit reason for it. Being honest even.

I'm focusing on PL because he is the one I am the most certain for being scum, the rest are less strong, and only Glyph is one I feel would be fine with lynching, Asdioh not so much unless I noticed something odd with his past play, which I'm looking at.

I think is Asdioh is scum, indy more likely than mafia same with Glyph, PL however I think is another member of mafia.

 

[Seikend]

.__.

That all feels all so familiar.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well with 8 people we could do a No lynch and get to 7/8 if people are right about the set-up speculation.

Math wise, being on an odd number would be better for town.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Not trying to parrot here, I'm being honest with my scum picks.

 

[Aposl]

right now myscumpicks are rr, pl, then glyph

glyph is very town tome, but if the other two flipped town then I would finally suspect him

pl and tdw distsanced, I mentioned this earlier

and rr because of game mechanics speculation

 

[Kataefi]

VOTE COUNT!

[2] No Lynch - Glyphmoney / Aposl
[1] Glyphmoney - Pink Lemonade
[1] Pink Lemonade - Red Ryu

[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Asdioh
[0] Red Ryu
[0] Seikend
[0] Aposl

[3] Not Voting: Seikend / GandhiLaserGun / Asdioh

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Deadline set for Tuesday, May 10th, Midnight GMT.

unvote
Vote: Contestant number 13

You can only vote player names and not numbers. The unvote was accepted!

 

[X1-12]

rr=pl>seik

 

[Asdioh]

You can only vote player names and not numbers. The unvote was accepted!

Darn, and I thought I had it all figured out.

Vote: Red Ryu

him or PL, I don't know or care at this point

 

[X1-12]

Asdioh what do you think about Seik's #3083, bearing in mind it was in reaction to RR's #3082

 

[Asdioh]

Can you ask again with numbers that have actually appeard this game?

 

[X1-12]

3038 and 3037

 

[Asdioh]

umm... I dunno, RR's 3082 seems sensible. Regardless of his alignment, he needs to take a stance on someone, and it's not going to be on himself.
Seik liked his post, and I agree to an extent. I already saw where you picked it apart but I think you were overdoing it.

tl;dr RR or PL is scum, still. Honestly, my vote on RR is more because of Kevin's play than RR's.

 

[X1-12]

You really think RR's stances are good? Bearing in mind that's the only actual stance he's given all game. When he replaced in he said he'd give some but didn't and just jumped on the Soup wagon.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Soup was asking for it, tbh.

If he was gonna play like he did he was better off gone, and the self vote he did it himself.

I want PL lynched more than anyone, if not then Glyph.

Also do people think I am a godfather or something, or is the cleared thing gonna be ignored at this point?

 

[X1-12]

I think you're not town.

Shout mechanics at me all you like but your play is by far the scummiest

 

[Seikend]

I don't support a RR lynch currently. I cannot see there being 2 scum left in the same faction. I can't see a way for RR to be scum with that inno result and the presence of a roleblock.

I'd honestly favour a NL toDay, but if a lynch is needed I'd probably go with PL.