Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[X1-12]

Naive cop?

 

[X1-12]

we're not even sure it was a roleblock either

 

[Seikend]

Naive cop would be a complete screwover. Town's only PRs would be a doc, a BP and two red herring PRs. It's possible I guess, but it seems horribly unlikely to me.

What's the alternative to a RB then?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think you're not town.

Shout mechanics at me all you like but your play is by far the scummiest

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Man if I didn't think you were town and a cop, I would request a lynch on you for being a liability.

 

[X1-12]

yes, but no-one will listen to you because you are scummy as ****, you replaced into a slot that had done nothing since D1, you came in jumped on the easiest wagon, then the following day just spent your time asking random arbitrary and useless questions and not giving any stances until pushed, when you do you give the easiest possible stances with the worst possible reasoning, also taking opportunity to try to spread some dirt on people who are basically cleared anyway.

 

[X1-12]

I'm #13 so the action failed, 13 has some kind of passive ability preventing the action from occurring, something we can't think of right now.

also just FYI, there is definitely another mafia member, someone on the same scumteam as J/TDW. Zen would never hammer TDW like that and then play as kinda average as he did on the following Day if he was his faction's last hope. In fact I don't think he'd random hammer bus like that if it was only a 2 man team.

also did anyone other that TDW buddy me on D1?

 

[X1-12]

top line of that is @seik

 

[Seikend]

://///.

RR's play is really, really bleh though.

#3085 is just...

If he didn't think you were town, (i.e. thought you were scum) he'd request a lynch not on the basis that you're scummy, but that you're being a "liability".

 

[X1-12]

Assume RR is indy, lynch him after we've lynched the next mafia

I also want to say that an indy Jack of all Trades could tick all our boxes on set-up speculation

 

[Seikend]

Yup, agree with RR being indy over mafia.

In response to your buddying question, no one comes to mind honestly. I could re-read but I doubt there was anything significant.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

yes, but no-one will listen to you because you are scummy as ****, you replaced into a slot that had done nothing since D1, you came in jumped on the easiest wagon, then the following day just spent your time asking random arbitrary and useless questions and not giving any stances until pushed, when you do you give the easiest possible stances with the worst possible reasoning, also taking opportunity to try to spread some dirt on people who are basically cleared anyway.

Gee I've heard this song and dance in FE mafia before.

Except you explain yourself this time, good job.

My questions which apparently you only now answer, part of the reason I have had issues giving stances earlier and didn't post much is do to school work and site stuff. If you wanna play activity nazi go join Omni and form a club.

You also had something wrong with each stance I gave, funny enough you never responded my my rebuttal. Your the only person I'm spreading dirt on because your being an idiot.

Lynching on liability is legit, if he continues this lylo is gonna be a mess. However this is dumb, this is my issues with X1's play more than anything for playstyle. Lynch PL or No Lynch, those are what I want to suggest or Glyph is people are sure he is indy.

 

[X1-12]

You replaced into the game and read the whole thread (64 pages) in less than two days, but can't keep up with the little content which is bouncing around now? Right. Aside from that my point isn't even your inactivity, its that when you are here you are doing ****. You make a post saying you've finished re-reading and made this post, full of so much amazing useful content. A WHOLE GAME, and you have nothing to say except jump on the easy lynch and call some people scum based upon set-up speculation

 

[X1-12]

I think scum is hiding in the VTs tbh, but I wouldn't give any of them a free pass quite yet, but it is worth nothing that we have 5 VT's, I'm not a fan of set-up speculation, but 5 VT's makes me think scum is in there among them.

Like seriously, this is some real good content

 

[X1-12]

Lynch PL or No Lynch, those are what I want to suggest or Glyph is people are sure he is indy.

I suggest a No Lynch or a PL Lynch. But if you guys think Glyph is indy (wtf?) then I suggest that too.

 

[X1-12]

Discuss this plan.

Town
Indy, Lynch when we catch scum
Lynch pool

Asdioh
Glyph
GLG
Aposl
RR
Seik
PL


PLAN:

Get Aposl to claim if #12 is in our toDay's lynch pool (PL/Seik)

If yes:
Aposl claims who it is
No Lynch
Aposl checks #1 or 8 (or 13)
I investigate #12 (we know who it is now)

1. Mafia can kill Aposl, but I get a result on PL/Seik (#12)
2. Mafia can kill me, but Aposl gets a clear on 1 or 8 (unlikely to be helpful unless its on Seik/PL). Or Aposl finds out who #13 is, also not that useful.
3. Mafia can kill #12. Mafia get a bingo, but also narrow down our lynch pool for us (to 1 person, lol)
4. Mafia can kill RR. They get a Bingo but either fail to kill, or kill our Indy for us
5. Mafia can kill someone else. No Bingo, me and Aposl get results.

If No

Aposl doesn't claim who it is
Lynch between Seik/PL
Me and Aposl both target #2

If we got scum, lynch RR. (Guilties aside)
If we mislynched, lynch the other, then lynch RR (Guilties aside)


Imo the "If Yes" bit is good, not sure about the other bit. Also I'm pretty confident with my list at the top of the page, almost suggesting we just brute force lynch between them and then RR but probably shouldn't really, just incase we get boned over by a bingo, or RR has a 1 shot kill or something

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Catching up atm

 

[Seikend]

The only concern with If Yes is the possibility of a scum RB. Although on second thoughts, a scum roleblocker seems unlikely.

By J claiming to be Rbed, scum shot themselves in the foot if they did have a roleblocker... it'd be an usable PR for as long as J was alive.

Should have figured this out earlier.

 

[Seikend]

With it being highly unlikely that there's a scum roleblocker, I'm considering X1 is #13. A passive ability of being untrackable doesn't seem helpful to an indy at all. A no result doesn't look any better than an inno. If anything it's worse.

Can cops generally self-investigate?

 

[X1-12]

Generally they can yeah, but idk. I was kinda thinking hands shaking could somehow relate to that. paradox? Or just shocked to see myself idk.. I'm kinda thinking RR might have rb'ed me as part of his abilities. indy JoaT is rare, but seriously what else is he. Clearly not a killing role, Arsonist or Piper would be ******* in this game, Warlock I doubt it because of the Bingo mechanic plus Kevin would have won as Warlock by now. Could be just some kind of survivor, but unless he can win with town he'd certainly have some abilites, basically making him a JoaT anyway

 

[Seikend]

Why is #2 the target if no?

I can't remember the clears and such anymore.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Generally I haven't seen games where they could.

I'm fine with waiting on Aposl.

 

[X1-12]

@seik

after lynching between you/PL, an inno is worthless so dont check 1 or 8. Dont check aposl (7) or RR (6) and dont check 12 because we know thats not seik/pl. Dont check 13 because it could be the cause of failed investigation. That only leaves #2

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If I am the indy, or a JoaT then I have a godfather or could bus myself? Wut?

You replaced into the game and read the whole thread (64 pages) in less than two days, but can't keep up with the little content which is bouncing around now? Right. Aside from that my point isn't even your inactivity, its that when you are here you are doing ****. You make a post saying you've finished re-reading and made this post, full of so much amazing useful content. A WHOLE GAME, and you have nothing to say except jump on the easy lynch and call some people scum based upon set-up speculation

I gave you my content with my reads of what I thought of people, twice.

Second time I went into it more detail, I went for soup because A) If he was scum he got him. B) If he was town it was gonna be a pain to keep him around if he made it to lylo. Would you have not lynched him at that point, heck I was gonna hammer until he self voted himself.

 

[X1-12]

i want asdioh, pl and seiks thoughts on the plan. Glyph too if he has something worthwhile

rr indies often turnup as inno.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

...What? I haven't seen that Indy come up inno to cops.

When had that happened?!

 

[X1-12]

lol

 

[Aposl]

12 is not seik or pl

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Super Duper Town
GLG/Aposl - Cleared by the existence of the other. Will not lynch either (even though I still think Aposl's play was scummy as hell earlier)

Town
Asdioh/Seik - Very pro-town play, I won't be comfortable lynching either of them.

The Rest
PL - Really dug into the point about the Kev/J thing. Could just be Ran being Ran, but the fact that he was willing to call me 100% scum based off that alone after his hydra had maintained a town read on me that same day is weird. Overall though, I still don't know that its play points to scum or just town being hindered by being a hydra.
RR - Scummy play, weak stances, not committal. Kev lurked from pretty much D2 onwards, and even D1 he wasn't much of a presence. BUT. We also know RR is #6, meaning if we lynch him (and he flips town) scum gets a bingo.

There's simply too many risks in lynching someone right now and too much reason to believe there's no more NKing members left to not support a NL imo

 

[Seikend]

Hi everyone.

Only bit that bugs me is leaving RR until we find mafia. The realisation that there's no roleblocker makes me a bit less sure, but yeah. The cop system makes me doubt that we'll get unreliable results. But you never know.

As long as the possibility of RR mafia is accounted for at some point then I'm cool.



Also Super Duper Town <3.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wouldn't X1's plan only work if we knew who #12 is though?

 

[Seikend]

That's why there's an If Yes and If No RR.

Aposl investigated #12 last Night iirc.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hi everyone.

Only bit that bugs me is leaving RR until we find mafia. The realisation that there's no roleblocker makes me a bit less sure, but yeah. The cop system makes me doubt that we'll get unreliable results. But you never know.

As long as the possibility of RR mafia is accounted for at some point then I'm cool.



Also Super Duper Town <3.

This feel opportunistic...

 

[Asdioh]

...What? I haven't seen that Indy come up inno to cops.

When had that happened?!

in a lot of games?

if there really is a mafia left, and RR and Glyph are both bulletproof, then holy crap o_O

RR - Scummy play, weak stances, not committal. Kev lurked from pretty much D2 onwards, and even D1 he wasn't much of a presence. BUT. We also know RR is #6, meaning if we lynch him (and he flips town) scum gets a bingo.

I'm... kind of interested to see what happens when we actually get a bingo :D

Though if we lynch PL, we won't get a bingo (right?), so I'm kind of thinking that's the way to go...

There's simply too many risks in lynching someone right now and too much reason to believe there's no more NKing members left to not support a NL imo

Ask yourself: what would Duke Battledrive do?

@GLG: Why are we looking for an unconfirmed mafia over who you think is pretty much guaranteed to be the indy? Is it because you don't want a bingo?


freaking glyph using billions of color tags

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Asdioh I know scum can take away my bulletproofness if they get a bingo, among (most likely) other things to screw with town.

Duke says there's times to be badass and times to think about what you're doing and what the most beneficial play is.


RR it would be opportunistic if it wasn't totally backed with good reasons.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Man I had to replace in for an inactive...

 

[Seikend]

@J

curious, but is there a reason you excluded me in your post?

This feel opportunistic...

:/.

Are you going to follow this through at all, or just comment on things without scumhunting?

Is it opportunistic, yes or no? Why? Am I scummy?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

:/.

Are you going to follow this through at all, or just comment on things without scumhunting?

Is it opportunistic, yes or no? Why? Am I scummy?

I don't like the, "He must be lynched or the game can't go on" feel that post gave me.

You say, "Yeah the cop system is fine, but let's make sure" I honestly have never heard of the indy results in inno, games I played it resulted in guilty, granted the indy was a SK each time.

I do feel like that post was oppotunistic, I had you on more of a town read until I saw you post that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also where did PL go?

 

[Seikend]

I'm fine with the plan X1.

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