[collapse=possible large waste of time, looking through early game paying attention to PL, J, TDW, and Seik]
Vote: Sqweedle and Pink Lemonade
Either of these are a nice lynch amirite?
Should be reading thread within the next two hours.
This is the RVS vote that caught my eye a long time ago, in the event TDW flipped scum. Then he did flip scum. He voted for two people at once, which obviously doesn't work, so it doesn't even count as a RVS vote. I personally saw this as distancing between Soup or PL, and later on he pretty much ignores Soup, and doesn't post anything strong in regards to PL aside from talking about how Ran should go through a checks and balances system (kind of makes it look like he's being hostile to PL, but it isn't scumhunting at all and doesn't really pressure PL or anything of the sort)
He also later buddies PL saying "PL knows I am scumhunting" which I pointed out in a more recent post.
^this is the tl;dr of my post, stop here if you want.
Skimmed this thread up, i HATE when games start in the confirmation thread... it means I gotta care about confirmation stuffs
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Oh my gawd Ghandi not letting Ran post would make my life.
Not liking Seikend, or Smargz, and kinda not Apsol, but I gotta talk to Kuz about Apsolscummy... I hate reading new players... so don't quote me on that yet.
@Smar if you're gonna read Ghandi... read em for Ghandi, not X1/GLG. And don't go off with a inability-to-read-hydra story cuz it's straight bulls***.
@KevMo trust me, if we're lynching off of dumb, we're going with the slot that has Joey and... oh god... RANMARU... Or Sqweedlemario.
Just some reads from TDW early on, and again showing hostility to PL/Soup without actual pressure.
Yeah 100% fine with a Glyph lynch today. Seems like we already have a set target and quite a while to spare as well~
This was scummy, and if you don't remember, PL sided with J heavily in the J vs Glyph conflict.
And scummy statement of the day belongs to you COME ON DOWNNNNNN.
Not saying the glyph lynch is scummy, saying you have a locked in lynch on day 1 of toDay is really really bold and misleading.
gj kevin
We aren't going to just sit there, we will play to improve. I don't know how that benefits the discussion, Kevm. We'll manage. I don't think Smarg is scum. Scumhunt elsewhere. But I do think you are avoiding Glyph. He is blatantly calling you town, ask him why, if you care. It's nice that you like that he thinks you are town, but should town care about that? No.
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@Asdioh: Please explain why you feel Glyph isn't scummy to us. No, I don't like his avatar, but I don't like his play here. In my newb he actually tried scumhunting, here he is just being very closed minded when it comes to answering questions. He is a waste to the town if he continues to act this way.
Also J has seen a contradiction in Glyph's play. Glyph calls J scum for saying he is townJ in rvs, yet says Kev is town for saying Kev is townKev.
Glyph is using meta heavily.
@KevinM:Also I don't know how role fishing is scummy, please explain that to me. Plus, I believe BSL was referring to Glyph has Scum, which obv wouldn't be a vt. Yet Kev doesn't think of that possibility.
Says I'm thinking Glyph isn't scummy in my "hey guys I'm here now" post, which I clearly didn't. Also possible buddying of J.
Asdioh, me no like. Especially this town-list because it doesn't even seem serious at all and you barely comment on why you think X person is Y. Well wait let me correct myself, you go into detail as to why someone is null but you don't go into detail as to why someone is scum which puts me off a bit. =/ I'm gonna be holding you to elaborating on this. I would FoS this but FoS's do nothing at all lol.
FoS: Asdioh
Hypocritic yes but I feel just something must be said cuz it's just weird that post. Asdioh, take a stance on the Glyph vs. J/Smarg/PL/BSL wagon.
Hi July =3 Me like this post.
*facepalm* Hi Joey.
You guys really shouldn't focus solely on KevinM's attitude because he'll be how he wants to be and there ain't nothing anyone can do about it. (nor should we care lol) ^^
Who was that person I wanted to say something about..........oh!
I'm null on Seikend. Wagon more of a null tell and his response just sits in the middle with me to the question I asked him. He didn't call anyone out as scum but hmmm....need to probably read more of him.
Also let's just all agree KevinM is town, he'll be helping us and I'm pretty much gonna be taking him to MYLO/LYLO to win the game for us there since I stole his thunder in RG. =3c
Another post by J with some stances. Notice the "who was I going to talk about... oh right, Seikend! I totally forgot you existed! You're totes null!"
Buddying of Kevin looks more like trying to get on his good side, than being scumbuddies.
Meh it could be construed as him trying to prove a point and it being taken the wrong way or it could be taken as scum trying to say they have been doing things. Point is null for BSL regarding the posts.
PL is interesting to say the least. I am willing to put them as leaning town because I do like that post by PL I already quoted, however it does seem PL is more taking on the pushing Glyph wagon then I had when I just stated that I am calling him scum based on what I find hypocritic/weird/scummy behaviour. KevinM's point on them saying they are already okay with a Glyph lynch is good because even I'm not okay with setting a lynch as of yet. From what I've seen though. Ran/Joey side = null, July side = townish. Ran is looking a little townie but I need to look into them more in depth because most of the stuff I remember is him co-pushing the Glyph wagon harder then I have been.
Asked to talk about PL, he responds with a pretty long post saying PL is essentially nulltown. He also acknowledges PL was pushing Glyph with him, and even harder than he was.
Hi J : )
When I was reading I only skimmed Asdioh's list, but I think that its a good thing to look at again, considering this was the first legit post from Asdioh. The scum list is actually what strikes me as odd, considering his scum list is J, JTB, and Apostl for the reasons of Glyph said so, he's scum, and he's prolly scum in that order. Even though he said time was an issue, a brief explanation for those quite random choices would have been really nice.
Also, it's day 1 of the Day, we are not set in a Glyph lynch right now, but he's the only person we have collectively determined is scummy enough to deserve a vote. I personally have my eye on Smarg and Asdioh, need to hear more from JTB and Apostl. Also pretty null on other two hydras right now, not from lack of content but from lack of ability to read some of the players in the hydras so early on (mostly Kuz, but X1 to an extent).
not much to say about this, just putting it out there
I skimmed this whole last page for a bit since there is something i want to touch on before it slips my mind.
Is anyone willing to lynch PL currently.. having three people playing from ONE hydra makes it almost certainly a headache to read.. Joey is in it which makes it a Lylo viability and thus far some of their stances have been a little more then questionable.
BSL my vote is on for asking someone on the first day of the game if they are more then a VT. Pretty simple I thought
dun dun dunn, lynch PL according to Kev
PL soulds fun to lynch, but not clever. What happened to "I'm KevinM and we're lynching scum D1"
@Pink Lemonade: I have serious trouble reading Ranmaru (as does everyone), do you object to only July and Joey posting in the Hydra for the remainder of D1? This will allow all players to get a solid read on the slot. Ranmaru can still participate, just not post, instead talk to the partners and they will do the posting?
This is the start of "ran shouldn't post" stuff.
@Pink Lemonade
Think of it as a... filter, per se. I'd freaking LOVE for that to happen, because you (July) understand that Ranmaru is a headache to play with, I hope. He'll still be active. But he'll have to run his points/QUESTIONS across the checks and balances (YOU/JOEY) so your slot doesn't become as much of a liability as I find Ran's slot in most games to usually be. So, honestly consider.
TDW chimes in with the "ran shouldn't post" bit. Like I said, it gives the appearance of hostility toward a player without actually scumhunting or taking stances.
Pink Lemonade is just being anti town. My read on em is null leaning scummy, but just the fact that the slot's being so incredibly anti town makes em totally viable for a lynch. BSL's rolefishing is kinda telling imo. And I can't really remember much input from em, if any at all. Seikend and Smargaret are still bleh from before, but I've decided to allow Kuz to get a read on em since he's the one who hydra'd with em in Dissidia, which pre' much means he probz TAUGHT em how to play (obtw Kuz is V/LA till Sunday, and I'm V/LA Saturday, Sunday and possibly Monday). Aposl's just a noob, I don't see what people find so bad about em, but if Ghandi tells me to reread back for a more refined read on em I will. Soupa is just stressful, but can't say I see anything particularly scummy about em from what I've read. And Glyph's being quite off, but a lot of that feeling's from meta of em never being this much of a troll. Not to say he's not being scummy, but still. I'll need to see more from em to call em scum or not. If your name is not here you're null or town in my book.
Before I vote, @mod request votecount. So much scumminess it hurts.
And obtw wrt Kevmo's plan to have the vig kill off all of the scummy/bad players before lylo/mylo, I'm totally on board.
Some TDW stances on players, but look what he says in regard to PL: he'd be fine lynching them. What does this mean? Doesn't mention J, null reads on most players.
@Toastin: >_> @ me being a checks and balances. It's not fair to limit someone in our hydra because they have trouble getting their words across. It also takes the fun away from the game for him. PLUS, the information would seem outdated half the time since he's online WAY MORE than either me or July. Seriously there are a lot of flaws in that.
more of this.
Enough, we will all play. This isn't scumhunting, this is playstyle speculating.
@KevM: Ok, disregard that please. A better question is, which stance as a whole, did you find questionable?
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the attempted end of the checks and balances discussion...
Oh hey I'm actually drinking pink lemonade right now
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Joey, if you really wanna go as far as asking ALL of town if they'd want Ran to not post, I'd be totally fine with it. But I really don't wanna attack his self esteem. I'm not going upon anything personal when it comes to not wanting Ran to post. But when he goes through a checks-and-balance system, he'll get an opportunity to realize why some things are just NOT good to post, rather than just posting them and getting the hell he inevitably gets. Ultimately, it's on you three whether or not you hinder Ran's posting. But I'm not gonna try to appease to any of the stupidity that comes out of the hydra Pink Lemonade.
but TDW brings it back up. Earlier, Aposl brought up how they could be scummates, with the whole trying to make PL look as towny as possible thing, but I said that I thought they could just do that in their quicktopic if they were scum. Instead, they're doing it here.. having trouble deciding if it's forced hostility or not.
Doubt it sounds like a joke to anybody but you bud.
And hey who said it was all good that Glyph was joking... notice how he has crazy people on his wagon for his joking.
You rolefished the living daylights out of him BSL. And had such a weak defense when Kevmo called you out on it.
taking a stance against BSL, semi-defending glyph.
I have no idea what's going on and what's up with whatever formatting people are talking about, aside from the amazing Rebecca Black skin. Posting cuz it seems like people are complaining about their posts being edited or something? Oh and cuz I'm only gonna be V/LA till the end of Sunday, not Monday at all.
@Pink Lemonade
Curiously, are you suggesting S v S between BSL and Glyph?
finally some actual content between PL and TDW.
I want to see more of Seikend vs. JTB. It is interesting especially to see the sides people will begin to take on the two. That's from just reading the little tackle between the two. I don't know whether to call it TvT, SvT, or SvS....want more.
Whoever suggested Ran should have July/Joey review all his posts before posting is just ******-dumb. I mean I've read so stupid things but damn. =3 You guys win.Notice the way he talks about Seik and JTB... pretty apathetically. Are they both town, and he just wants a bandwagon to form on one of them?
Unvote
Vote: Asdioh
Also note that "Whoever suggested Ran should have July/Joey review all his posts before posting" includes GLG, who started it, and TDW, who elaborated on it. Also possibly Kevin in there, but he didn't seem to care as much. Basically I'm pointing out that J called his own scumbuddy "******-dumb."
Well GLG, why should we limit someone to not posting just because some people don't like his posting style? Why shouldn't he just say want he wants? Personally I find it offensive to Ranmaru and just get off your high horse if you have a problem with the way someone posts in a hydra. They will post the way they want to. I love the way July posts and I do admit that sometimes I get confused to what Ranmaru is trying to say and the way Joey posts is unique but just saying "Stfu Ran side, let July/Joey talk for you." is just wrong.
So if I have a problem with the way someone is posting I should tell them to stop talking and let others do it for them?
I want Ran to talk FOR Ran because he is just as accountable for the hydra as the other two regardless of your opinion on him.
(Your is not directed at GLG but the people saying it's a good idea)
/rant
It's not fun is all. =3
defending PL like I did, but more elaborately.
No, I'm getting a town v. scum vibe, but with impatient town on the other end. Glyph was impatient first but has gotten a bit better imo; BSL started strong and then suddenly decided it was already a good time to get Glyph to role claim. Since they've both shown random, impatient behavior at a time when the other one has been reasonably calm it makes the line between scummy/impatient town blurred. Hydra vote stays on Glyph for now because he's still the collective's top scum pick.
I think after that T v T is next most likely, I have issues seeing S v S forging this awkward and impassioned of a conflict so early, or making up a dialogue such as this:
@Walrus, your thoughts on the BSL/Glyph interactions?
not much to comment on here, just noting PL's response to TDW and stances on Glyph/BSL
X1-12, your head is hard to read and is unreadable please only have the GLG side of the hydra post so we can all feel better and it is truly a pro-town initive if you do so.
If you want Ranmaru to not post, put your money where your mouth is.
Btw, are you saying it's bad to be unreadable and that Ranmaru should not post because he confuses you to such a degree you must complain and have his hydra partners post for him. So you are saying July/Joey are easier to read and therefore should be made to post instead of Ran just so you can read?
You do realize this isn't gonna go anywhere and just a limitation to scum-hunting so to add more.
Talk about BSL vs. Glyph for me. What to you think of JTB continueing the Seikend wagon you started? Tell me whatcha think of Asdioh.
Truth, especially about it not being fun and the fact that we are all aware we are accountable for what everyone else says and we can all handle that. A few people have weighed in on the idea, mixed opinions, but in the long run all three of us will post of our own accord.
GLG, you seem very concerned about mislynching us. All three of us have been discussing our thoughts/reads with each other and ultimately if we get mislynched its all three of our faults, not just Ran's and we are aware of that.
Wow I like that answer but don't at the same time.
One it seems to be completely right.
But at the same time it is so fence-sitty and doesn't really conflict with neither GLG or Myself.....
blarg head hurt x_x
talking about Seik's response here.
Haven't decided yet. I'd rather one of em lynched before I decide, but I think at least one of them is scum for sure.
Thinks one of BSL or Glyph is scum, would lynch either of them.
Me no like this.
Me no like this AT ALL.
J showing hostility to TDW for apathetically being willing to lynch Glyph or BSL without taking a stance.
Orly?
What's wrong with wanting two of my scum picks dead before I decide whether they're aligned or not?
How's about YOU tell me watchu think of their reactions?
That last post was @ J btw.
J isn't scum in our opinion.
cut out the rest of the post because it was just @X1 in regard to Ran not posting.
The point is to keep my thoughts up for grabs mang. Obviously when I say I want one of em to flip before I decide it's S v T or S v S, I'm keeping my options limited. But when I say I want one of em to flip before deciding, do you really think that's keeping my options limited? It's kinda screaming that they're two of my scum picks bro.
I think, at the moment, if I had to say, it'd be T v S as Glyph v BSL. But I'll reread back and get a def. confirmation some time tonight/after my V/LA.
lists BSL (nabe) as scum, Glyph as town.
VOTE COUNT!
[4] BSL - KevinM / Toasting Dat Walrus / Soupamario / JTB
[4] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / Seikend / Asdioh
[3] Glyphmoney - Pink Lemonade / Smargaret / BSL
[1] Asdioh - J
[1] Smargaret - Aposl
Around this point in the game, the votecount.[/collapse]
That just leaves X1 and Soup.
orly? Then Soup is the scum, because GLG is town.
Does anyone have a strong read on Soup? I had a strong town read on Soup until Asdioh's connections post as well, then I saw some scummy behavior and now idk what to think about him.
can you link me this for my own reference?
