Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[Asdioh]

I am going to be reread Day 3 because I think we might find our most significant leads there.

already found:

Nabe noooooo I wanted to ask you your real thoughts on soup

freaking Nabe why'd you have to die after calling Soup your townbro

I don't have time to pull it up right now, but read that TDW quote saying "J is town I have a gut town read on him"

And then lynch J.

vote: J

obvious town

I'd like to see Zen post before that happens but I'm thinking the same, Glyph.

obvious town

 

[Seikend]

@Soup Would you be fine if one of us was lynched, then the other? Is you being lynched first acceptable?

 

[Asdioh]

vote: Asdioh

been waiting to do this.

also, remember when i had that huge case on asdioh?

TDW never really commented on it, all he said is that he got town reads on me, and ignored the bulk of the post, same goes with asdioh, they almost seemed like they knew i was onto something, so they tried to make sure noone discussed it, and that they did, i remember asdioh just going "blah blah blah" to the whole thing, etc.

also asdioh would just go ahead and do such a thing and kill poor ol' nabe.

can present evidence if you want, just lazy.

Soup choosing me over Zen, scummier than the others by far:

well it would be an effective power if theywere able to change post restrictions, but im still thinking zen sawwy

Aposl probably town from this

@Asdioh: I think the only person who hasn't posted toDay is GLG.

Vote: Zen

Zen, who did you try to watch last Night?

PL probably town from this

I'm fine with a zen lynch currently. Waiting for zen's defence before I do anything though.

@KevinM, @GLG Scumpicks please.

Seik probably town from this

Zen posts a big case against me :3 http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12570298&postcount=2235

 

[Asdioh]

hello: sue

Self-meta isn't a defense. Anyone can say that someone is wrong because that's how they play. I do it all the time as scum.

Just you and Glyph. Maybe Seik. I need to look over things again. Town on Soup and ghlg.

Listing me/Glyph/possibly Seik as scum. Soup and GLG as town..

Went back and looked at some of D1, particularly around Asdioh claiming then the Smarg wagon.

I remember Asdioh self-clearing himself on the basis that he could have just voted Smarg as scum and got the mislynch but didn't. He also mentions he picked up on Smarg being the Doc. He also states that he doesn't believe the doc can self protect.

If he picked up on Smarg being the doc, then Asdiohscum could easily just NK Smarg /and/ get a mislynch D1 based on the current possible wagons (J/JTB). So that self-clearing was bs.

I'm not completely sold on Asdioh scum yet, but I'm considering it again. With an Asdioh scum flip I'd see Soup and Zen as town. Gonna re-read D2.

@Soup

I got some work for you if you're up for it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300540&page=32&pp=40

From the start of Page 32 to the end of Page 35

Care to read TDW (Gordito has a few posts too) said and see what you get?

@Asdioh.

Agree with Soup town, thinking about J/Zen scum. It also makes sense :/.

wavering on his J/Zen scumread, but being brought into it after looking at stuff. townish enough.

On it seikend, but I need to adress something.

Okay, so, zen is with me on asdioh scum, and I still feel very strong about it, but sometimes I wonder if he is just with me to sway My thoughts, but I could say the same for everyone, I am really in the middle of this, and My mindset is just that, in the middle.

I struggle With going With My scum read, or believing My town read.

The options weigh equal, I feel I had something really good on asdioh, but noone seemed to bother, everyone is screaming at me to lynch zen..

I hear you.

I don't think a pr like this would survive this long, but I'm just not 100 percent, I think scum would keep him alive and just roleblock him, and try killing someone who could be traced back to a player.

This has not been the case, the most obvious nk has been...well nked, and I think they were just killing people like smarg to put More blame on him, and last kill was in fear too, and they are trying the same Thing as yesterday, and I am fighting a losing battle With this, but you know...I just don't know, I don't, I need asdioh clear, or I need zen clear, its a very hard decision.

I apologize for My rambling but I just don't know..

you know how Zen called me out as being indecisive in regard to TDW or Soup? This is much the same...

Disagree with the plan.

I think Glyph is town, regardless of whether Zen is scum or not. I've been in agreement with a lot of his points against Zen, and he hasn't been that tunnely: He's discussed other things proposed to him.

I don't really want to risk two mislynches based on Glyph's read, especially since I'm so unsure of Zen's alignment myself.


Also I agree with Zen's points concerning a mafia roleblocker and a lynch being preferable.


My Cop Results

N1 - Nabe - Inno
N2 - Soup - Inno

hm

I'm just as confused.

I've been really all over the place with your playerslot. At the end of D1 I had J as scum and had a lot of questions I wanted to ask.

On the other hand, if I just took your play so far I'd say town.

So I don't know. There's scummy things that J did that you can't explain for him. It really depends on whether I hold you responsible for J's stances etc.

For Zen, leaning town. For J/Zen leaning scum.

hm

 

[Asdioh]

unvote Vote: Zen

sorry zen.

finally concedes to vote Zen, apologizes to him. Doesn't give any reasons for what ultimately convinced him.

Zen, i was trying to get an asdioh lynch going, but scum isn't budging and it was pissing me off, i don't think noone is going to go with it...

'kay, so there's scum in Zen/Asdioh I think.

I'm gonna go with

Unvote
Vote:Asdioh

for now.

Want to see Soup's thoughts on TDW D1 and Kevin and GLG's content before we go anywhere today.

Come back Soup!

SEIK NOOO MY TOWNREAD ON YOU HELP

Zen says Asdioh or Glyph are scum and seems confident but Zen's vote is nowhere :/.

Gonna give up on Soup analysing D1, will reread it myself soon. I remember TDW jumping into defend J, but can't remember how it went down exactly.

ok slightly townier from this.

Seikend: The read is null as ever, there's town sides, but there is scum sides. I believe GLG should be a play for a later day if he does not start contributing; possible indy.

not giving much on GLG except "he should be a player for a later day if he does not start contributing" and the mention of indy I don't really like.

i say toDay's play should either be:

Asdioh
OR
Aposl

because i still think Aposl is scum.

after he put Zen at L-2 or L-1? ..................................

 

[Seikend]

Seen enough for the day.

Gonna lock in my final stances, no more flip-flopping.

GLG, Aposl, RR confirmed town.

PL super strong town read.

Glyph and Asdioh strong town reads. Explained why i'm a bit uncertain on both.

Soup I have a strong gut town read, but yeah. Scummy play.


Want to see RR's thoughts before anything happens but I'm totally cool with Soup and me being lynched. Obviously Soup first would be preferable, but me first is fine.

If Soup isn't scum, lynch me, then it's between Asdioh and Glyph.

 

[Asdioh]

Done my reread.




I like this post a lot. Asdioh could easily have lynched town JTB (He was at L-1 and had claimed) but he didn't. Instead he sticks to J, which was at L-3 or something.

On the other hand TDW hardcore defended against a J lynch and worked hard to push a JTB lynch. This was their only significant bit of posting D1.


In D2 Asdioh's vote on Soup was pretty scummy. Looks bad.

On the other hand J... wasn't around at all, except right at the beginning :/. The timing of replacing out was unfortunate, but eh. Not sure what to think of it.


Still sticking with TDW/J/Soup scumteam. Not too confident on Soup. Possibly Godfather, taking my day scumread over my (possible ) night action.

What Soup is interchangeable with depends on those GLG and Kev posts.

Unvote

Zen is at L-1 so I can't vote yet.


I feel Zen/Asdioh is S vs T or T vs S. Zen scum would clear Asdioh in my mind and vice versa.

Yeah Seik is town.

caught up some. Sorry for inactivity kat. IRL stuff losing me mafiamotivation.

Town:
Asdioh -when he was put at L-1 ages ago he wa
Aposl - fast and fearless responses. Also noobscum only use terrible logic when defending themselves. He's using terrible logic to attack others
Soup - derp

Scum:
Seik - TDW was asking him seriously paper-thin questions. He's too quick to accept reads. i.e right at the start of the game I tried a simple trap and he instantly had me as town. He's much more paranoid as town, he would be fully aware that I could fake that. I beleive Seik claimed cop? Sounds really hard to do after someone has already claimed it, gone unCCed then died and flipped not cop. lol.
Zen - J was scummy as hell. Zen still isn't very townie. Zen

I'm assuming he listed Soup as town because of TDW trying to bus him?

anyway if a Zen lynch takes place while I'm at work, that's fine with me. good luck.

towntastic

unvote vote: GLG

Modconfirmed information that scum gets power-ups from getting a row or column. Why would town be concerned with the draws of the board?


J/GLG need to go today.

awww Glyph, why'd you have to go and do that though it did seem a bit suspicious at the time.

Woops been a little scatterbrained and didn't realize how long its been since I've posted.

Still in support of a Zen lynch, since we need to figure out something about this and keeping Zen around and letting suspicions about role blocking/posting restrictions fester...its only going to get worse if we don't do something toDay.

Only other accpetable lynch I can see is GLG for that very scummy statement about numbers. GLG has also been quite a nonpresence this game and that is worrisome because its hard enough to get a read on X1 as it is.

So Zen or X1 toDay, my vote is staying on Zen for now like it has all Day because honestly I think this whole double role blocking thing is just too much of a distraction without knowing if it is legit or not.

PL town

PL doesn't even mention anything about J's alignment. Just voting on the basis of "clearing things up" even when J was a super townread for them.

J Scum flip : Soup
J Town Flip: PL, Asdioh

KevinM and Aposl need to be looked at regardless of flip. Moreso Kev.

stay with it Seik!

unvote

can't let you do that (just yet) Seikfox. I'm here (kind of, got dishes to do) and will hopefully be able to do something or other worthwhile before the hammer.

unvoted just because i was back and able to play but it looked like the hammer was coming

Meh, I guess I don't really have anything else to say or do, besides wait for Kevin, who is MIA. I was thinking a Glyph wagon could be done, but I'd rather not have him claim, it wouldn't help.


Vote: Zen

revoted because there wasn't much else ^_^

what was i doing?

Spoiler

besides your mom

lol, like what, asdioh?

Soup fails to comment on all that happened between his last quote and this, then comes back and talks about that dream I had, which was off-topic :3


Soup is scum.

 

[Seikend]

Your dream was pretty sweet though Asdioh.

 

[Asdioh]

Soup is at L-3 and would appreciate a couple votes.

*coughglyphseikcough*

 

[Seikend]

Nah. Hammering anytime soon would kinda be a **** move to RR, having kindly replaced in at such a late point in the game. Want to at least let him catch up and give thoughts.

 

[Aposl]

Unvote

yeah i am thinking soup as well, but.....

SEIKEND IF YOU ARE TOWN STOP THROWING YOURSELF UNDER A BUS! Im sick of your martyrdom, except I cant call it that cuz you dieing doesn't further our cause it does the opposite!...

 

[Asdioh]

so yeah Seik about that vote x3

Soup's been online but hasn't posted in here

 

[Seikend]

It's cool.

I'm working on my Soup Case, wanting dem triple townie points.

If Soup doesn't respond by the time RR and X1 is caught up then yeah, im good with voting then.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Lolpost

The only thing is see on me is buddying with J, distancing from tdw, reluctance to vote tdw on a guilty by nabe, and that's about it, oh and apparently something about asdioh who has been a scumread of mine for awhile but is town now to me.

Regarding the j buddying, I just thought j was town, that's all, and I didn't want to risk a pr lynch, in arrogance.

I thought the roleblock was legitimate because of that too I guess.

I didn't really distance tdw at all, I asked him something and he never commented on it, and I thought that could be because I had something good going but noone seemed to care..

The nabe cop claim was me not sure of nabes claim being real, not the guilty in itself, I was hesistant merely because I didn't see tdw as scum, and I thought at the time it could be a scum move to get another Mislynch.

 

[Seikend]

Why Soup is Scum and I should get Triple Townie Points.


Soup has J as town not for his pro-town actions, but because of honesty and J being "just one of his reads"

i almost pity J, i guess that is one of the reasons i don't want to vote him, call it buddying, but i see some honesty in his posts, and he does seem really frustrated right now.

... Are you implying scum can't be frustrated?

scum can be frustrated too, but i dunno man...just one of my reads right now.

Soup's L-1 vote on Asdioh
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12482468&postcount=1040

to

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12482747&postcount=1053


Soup "accidentally" puts Asdioh at L-1, and yet doesn't unvote in several posts. TDW claims this is a null tell and that conversation should move elsewhere.

Inconsistency regarding the phantom scum roleblocker

well, since we got some roles out already, i thought i would step and do some role bossing.

Doc: protect J/yourself.
Watcher: Watch Smarg/yourself.
Vigil: don't freaking shoot.

however, there is that slight chance of a roleblocker, so this might all fall to ****.

also i don't any other roles so i'm just grabbing for thin air.

Soon after J claims, Soup comes up with this plan. He acknowledges the possibility of a roleblocker.

Neither will die.

Smarg will be on J (doccing him)
J will watch smarg (meaning he will see anyone who tries to NKill Smarg.)

IT'S
FULLPROOF.

When questioned about it later, the phantom roleblocker is gone, and the plan is foolproof.

ITS WRONG

1) you assume J is indeed town
2) possibility of a roleblocker

JTB brings up the possibilty of an RB. Soup ignores it.

D2, and the phantom roleblocker has hit!

Diverts conversation away from J D2

didn't adress the fact there was a roleblocker, or, i didn't assume it, but it does confirm J as watcher though, he was indeed role-blocked.

and also, Smarg died, but as i said, J WAS ROLEBLOCKED.

he didn't see who visited him, and like i said (lol) he was role-blocked, however, he's just gonna keep getting role-blocked, so we have to either hit role-blocker toDay or i will sadly have to assume there could be a gambit in J, which i don't at this moment.

:/.

So on D1 you were considering J as either scum or town, based on whether Smarg lives or not.

Now that Smarg is dead at the start of D2, J is a "confirmed" watcher?

You haven't even considered the possibility of Jscum lying about being RBed?

How do you know there's a roleblocker?

Soup now says he didn't assume the possibility of a roleblocker.
Soup continously emphasises that J was indeed roleblocked. His post could essentially be summed up in one line but he goes on and on about how J was roleblocked.

When questioned regarding his certainty about the roleblock he says:

and sorry, there is a possibility, but right now, AS I HAVE STATED, i want people to talk to me about the asdioh case, ***** about J later, okay?

Soup diverts conversation away from J and gets it on Asdioh.

skimmed first couple pages, digress, someone mentioned silencer too, so that's also a possibility.

and yes, i have stated that, J will just keep getting role-blocked, he's almost not a use to us anymore, i don't back down from that, J might indeed be the lynch toDay, but i'm looking up other alleys, okay?

Seikend, please, READ IT READ MY ****KKINGGG CASEEEE!

don't skim it, read it all, i will scream this until i am blue in the face i have found something looking at, and everyone is just taking it as ****!

it's infuriating!

And again. Ignore J, look at Asdioh.

Diverts conversation away from Zen D3

vote: Asdioh

been waiting to do this.

also, remember when i had that huge case on asdioh?

TDW never really commented on it, all he said is that he got town reads on me, and ignored the bulk of the post, same goes with asdioh, they almost seemed like they knew i was onto something, so they tried to make sure noone discussed it, and that they did, i remember asdioh just going "blah blah blah" to the whole thing, etc.

also asdioh would just go ahead and do such a thing and kill poor ol' nabe.

First and second post. Ignore J, straight to Asdioh again.

Soup fails to address Zen at all and then comes up with this

unvote Vote: Zen

sorry zen.

No reasoning for voting for his town read. Just a straight vote. Seeing the Zen lynch was inevitable maybe?

 

[Seikend]

@Soup

Did you or did you not account for a roleblocker?
Why did you vote Zen?
Which town reads are you confident enough in that you'd say they aren't scum?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I did, i was like "yep j was roleblocked atlest we know there is one now"

But I felt like "j was roleblocked.. That seems like a legitimate thing to happen to a watcher, i shoulda thought about that though More, and I still have a town read on him so I'm gonna pursue one of My scumreads instead"

This is D2 ofc.

D3 I just was like "yknow, he can talk again, and I still have that town read on him, I still want asdioh gone though, so ill see if someone will finally listen to me about asdioh or not.."

Noone really does, the inevitable happens, and then I feel stupid for being so blind, and here we are.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yes I am by the way.

 

[Seikend]

In D1 you said that a roleblocker was a possibilty, but the plan was foolproof. How is this possible?

Why did you vote Zen?

What is #2738 referring to?

 

[Asdioh]

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh wait..which? Pl is a strong one, and asdioh is a newly strong read..

Yknow, seikend, I think you are town if I really think about it, one being meta, and one just because of recent play, I'm contradicting myself here but I think I just didn't look at you enough, I saw the points from pl, and whatnot, and I think you shouldn't be a Maytr, its a waste and really..gah, I just don't ****ing know, I'm really contradictive here but I'm goona say that glg is possible scum, granted his claim is very legit, but if I die I suggest you take a firm read on him.

 

[Asdioh]

aww, I thought 2738 was an admission to being scum.
If it wasn't, then I assumed he misread "Which town reads are you confident enough in that you'd say they aren't scum?" as "are you confident in your town reads" or something

 

[X1-12]

Unvote

seik i cant tell if those are legit connections or soup just sucks at giving explanations for his reads. Have you looked at stuff j and tdw have said in regards to soup?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Phone ninja, I already said why above.

 

[Seikend]

looool, yeah. Same Asdioh.

Alright Soup.

What meta do you have on me? Is it based off Dissidia? What is it exactly?

Why is GLG possible scum?

Also answer the other questions please.

 

[Seikend]

@X1 I honestly didn't look into that. I looked at Soup's posts specifically.

Will look into connections to TDW/J later.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No, you got it right, I suck at My explanations, I'm brutally honest a lot and I contradict My own thoughts, and I'm never sure why I do things sometimes, so its hard to perfectly explain everything, much like I'm doing right now.

 

[Asdioh]

Unvote

seik i cant tell if those are legit connections or soup just sucks at giving explanations for his reads. Have you looked at stuff j and tdw have said in regards to soup?

tdw: showed a tiny bit of hostility toward soup in the beginning, didn't say much about him for a while... eventually said he saw "townie intentions" from soup in regard to soup's case on me, thought Soup was pretty townie... then tried to bus (or mislynch?) him after Nabe claimed a guilty on TDW. I am considering the possibility of a bus because no scum had flipped yet at that point, so if Soup or TDW were lynched, the other one would look more town as a result.

J.... can't remember off the top of my head, but Soup obviously didn't want J lynched most of the time.

 

[Asdioh]

EBWOP: if Soup or TDW were lynched and flipped scum*, the other one would look more town as a result.

 

[X1-12]

Lolpost

The only thing is see on me is buddying with J, distancing from tdw, reluctance to vote tdw on a guilty by nabe, and that's about it, oh and apparently something about asdioh who has been a scumread of mine for awhile but is town now to me.

oh only that 1 small thing

im tempted to say the fact he calls it distancing is a slip.

 

[Seikend]

No, you got it right, I suck at My explanations, I'm brutally honest a lot and I contradict My own thoughts, and I'm never sure why I do things sometimes, so its hard to perfectly explain everything, much like I'm doing right now.

Wasn't the answer I was expecting. Need to think about this a little :/. I do have a strong gut that Soup has had good intentions, but I dunno, play has been pretty scummy.

 

[Seikend]

Also #2740, #2742

Asdioh is town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@seik I did look more plz.

I dunno, really, i think X1 has the guts to fakeclaim like that,and he's been quite silent until then, that of course being a pr thing to do, but I dunno

@X1 do you read what you want to read? There's more then that, and I only saw 3 things on me, k?

Its hard to reply on phone so yeah that too

 

[X1-12]

what L-_ is he at?

I really dunno where the idea that im good as scum came from. Nor the idea that i fakeclaim stuff as scum either but w/e

 

[X1-12]

soup of the two things in my 2750 you managed to only respond to the one thats not important, or even an accusation

 

[Seikend]

I don't get why I'm being told I have a meta when I don't even have a completed solo game yet :/.

 

[Asdioh]

Also #2740, #2742

Asdioh is town.

This just in!

what L-_ is he at?

I really dunno where the idea that im good as scum came from. Nor the idea that i fakeclaim stuff as scum either but w/e

I think L-3.

 

[X1-12]

Vote: Soupamario

 

[Seikend]

I'm sure I've made Asdioh town posts like 4 times now.

But for sure this time.

Maybe.

 

[Seikend]

@Soup

When will you be on a computer to respond properly?