Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

i decided that i'm not going to post the ISO, as i've already posted enough today, so yeah.

i'm posting the ISO not just for scummy intentions, but also for town intentions, and who has talked with J or had conflicts.

i'm posting it for my own understanding, because i need to decide if my Town read stays, or i flip scum, even now as i'm posting this, and re-reading, i'm still sure of town.

/waits for nabe.

Wait, are you posting it or not?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

i flip scum

I bet you do.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Nabe i said if my opnion flips scum for J, excuse my wording grand puba.

@Glyph tommorow as soon i get on, alright?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe thoughts on TDW?

Scum.

Right now I would prefer a Nabe lynch which out of everyone is the best choice because I think there is a good chance of hitting scum AND he flip would help with reading J and Soup, which is obviously a good thing.

But it wouldn't help.

Surprising that this is all I needed to respond to.

 

[Seikend]

Vote: Soup

That explanation for why you're certain there's a mafia roleblocker and that J is "confirmed" town would be pretty cool.

I'd like you to answer the question instead of avoiding it please.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Simple my lad.

I have a J strong town read on J right now.

i want to create an ISO and re-evaluate (lol censored?) this.

I think J is "confirmed" watcher because he got silenced, i really think Scum-watcher would just claim they had a watch, and just have people go with it, J seems more honest, he isn't just trying to lead, or he can't now he was stating opnions D1.

i know that you guys think he lead me on JTB, but i had those same thoughts, k?

however, i'm not naive, which is why i need to post a J ISO, or re-look at J, and see if my read matches up to evidence.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

It is not hard to fake being silenced Soup, and its having the exact effect on you that a scum member would want it to.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

my main point of defending J though was my pre-town read, and then the watcher claim, i'm not going to just kill a watcher, and JTB was a safer lynch, your last question on me was that i stated if Smarg died, J did it, and vice-versa.

please note i have not considered this, i just think this is not the scum approach, i have stated above as to why, and i need to read more, i need to see who J accused, who was out for J, or perhaps..who J was AFTER.

 

[Seikend]

The silencing claim is really the least believable part of J's claims though.

I agree with Glyph, it just seems so horribly OPed. It basically stops someone for playing for the Day. Not going to do much with just pictures and yes/no answers.

The most similar thing I can think of was in Nightmare before Christmas, but at least then it was publicly announced by the mod when people were caught and couldn't post.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

well, Seikend, i've already stated the he's just gonna keep getting roleblocked so if J becomes the lynch today somehow, then be it, but i am going to try and give my stance, k?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

X1, check out the exchange that goes on in 1042 > Bottom of 1045 > 1052, i.e. TDW/Asdioh.

Thank you to PL for quoting this, I forgot about this and it's still very relevant.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

J isn't going to be roleblocked toNight, no worries there.

You should focus on scumhunting instead of proving your town read on J.

 

[Seikend]

well, Seikend, i've already stated the he's just gonna keep getting roleblocked so if J becomes the lynch today somehow, then be it, but i am going to try and give my stance, k?

My issue wasn't with you saying J is town, that's fine.

It's more the fact that you were so certain he was RBed.

You say you "believe" Smarg protected J, but you talk about "confirming" there was a roleblocker, "J was roleblocked" etc.

You state it as fact rather than a stance.

 

[Seikend]

@Asdioh, Nabe, Glyph

Thoughts on J/TDW/Soup scumteam?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

J and Soup are probably scum, but I still don't really see TDW as having done much of anything.

Which I guess is probably because he hasn't taken many stances and is laying low, so yeah, I could see it. Honestly I'd have to look into TDW with an ISO before I committed to lynching him though.

 

[Asdioh]

@Asdioh, Nabe, Glyph

Thoughts on J/TDW/Soup scumteam?

possibly, but TDW hasn't stood out to m-

just read glyphs post I guess.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Alright so I assume he is in the process of reading, so maybe he found something about TDW that he disliked in the process. Of course we don't know because he doesn't explain the vote AT ALL.

But you missed one of my posts. And it was the post that makes it clear why I'm voting TDW and segues into outing my suspicion of Smarg.

Smarg, tell me why I should keep my vote here when you next post. Thanks.

Smarg had her vote on TDW at the time. Since the time she placed it, she hadn't otherwise addressed the issue.

So then after his reread he finds me more suspicious and feels no better about Asdioh; he gives no explanation for that random vote on TDW, and if I'm right (I didn't quote all of his posts) he doesn't unvote and vote either of his scum picks here.

I wouldn't have said at this juncture that you two were my scumpicks. You were both scummy, but scumpick implies you were my focus at this point and neither of you were.

Then we come down here and his stances have shifted all over the place again. He says he is convinced that Soup is town (which he came to determine through very little pressure) and that he is now comfortable with either J or Asdioh. Asdioh he had mentioned briefly earlier but this is the first time we see J popping up as a suspect. However, Asdioh gets the vote over J for no explicit reason.

Mm. Kind of hard to say that my stances shifted when I didn't actually post any prior to that post. But that's cool.

o_O Right before this Nabe said he was comfortable with a J lynch. Nabe now thinks J is town, but provides a whole lot of reasons why J scum is possible and understandable buuut an Asdioh lynch is better. Nabe trying to cast doubt on J without actually getting involved or pushing for his lynch.

Your quoted post is an extension of my previous post. Being comfortable with a lynch doesn't mean that player is scummy, it means that there's potential gain from that lynch. I think J is town, but if everybody else supports a J lynch, I gain information upon his town flip. If he flips scum, we gain a lynch of scum, and there's certainly discernable reason to think he would flip scum, so that's a possibility as well. A J lynch was a win-win scenario at that point in time.

First time Nabe mentions Seikend, and he basis his read on Seikend on this one choice to support Smargscum? I don't like it, Nabe is just piecing together his reads on people as he goes based on if they agree or disagree with him.

I can't really refute this, the post you've quoted looks like what you say it does. I would call on your memories of KSSU, in that I typically am not vocal about my reads in the slightest.

So he gives up on the Smarg lynch not because he found Asdioh scummier, but because the Smarg lynch just wasn't going to take off (that ironically did end up taking place) and he needed a new target instead of, you know, pushing and getting his hands dirty.

No, it didn't.

Then he says that JTB is scummier than X1, with X1 being null, so I guess that puts JTB null leaning scummy?...but then he says he believes that JTB v. Seikend is probably town v. town so he must have a town read on JTB right? or at least leaning town? These two ideas in the same post really don't seem to line up.

The argument seemed TvT. I'd have said the same if my biggest scum read were one half of the argument and they said the same words that JTB did, because TvT refers to the conflict between the two and the motives therein, and not the two players themselves. Players who participate in a TvT argument certainly look townier as a result, however. Which is why JTB was leaning scummy and not scum.

He says Soup is probably town, okay he said that a little while ago. But now he infers that there is this faint semblance of a Smarg/Soup scum buddy option that he could make but he knows he would be reaching...but why even bring it up if you supposedly have a town read on Soup? That's not going to help him convince people Soup is town, if he really believed that.

There were seemingly town motives in what Soup said. But there was a Smarg/Soup case smacking me in the face and making me doubt that. It's not my job to convince people that my town reads are town.

So, Asdioh...remember when you said KevinM had a large part in getting you and Smarg to L-1 and getting you guys to claim? I would say that Nabe was much more insistent on getting claims from people and in getting Smarg to L-1.

I agree.

He called Seik town. He called Soup town. He really didn't take a stance on TDW after that initial vote. He had previously said we were not a concern for him. And JTB we saw last time as null leaning scummy or town v. Seikend. Yet he's willing to let ANY of these people get lynched while vaguely pushing his scum pick Asdioh. And all because they didn't unvote within 20 posts of Smarg claiming, that is enough to erase his previous reads and make them scummy enough they can be lynched.

No. It's that they did unvote, all 5, and didn't try to pursue other reads. It shows a complacency to let things happen as they happen. Potentially a big tell, and I'd still take the lynch of the remaining players in there that are still alive.

These are Nabe's two scummy picks out of the five people he said could go. We know how JTB flipped. His stance on Soup changed again from scummy, to town, now suddenly to scummy again...his reads are really inconsistent.

Fair enough.

I've already talked about this quote in another post, but he complains about doc/watcher combo and says he'd rather lose prs and play a vanilla game, but then he immediately vote JTB and decides to "keep the prs".

Mhm. Check out Sleepover and Inception for doc/watcher setups. There's one more that escapes my memory.

His response to my noticing that he keeps hinting at J scum but won't vote J or act on any of the issues he has with J. He then immediately diverts talk away from J to focus on his idea that Soup is scum.

Is that what you were saying? I saw a vote for me at the end and assumed it was a useless long case about me being scum. Since you should have been talking about something that matters, like Soup, I pointed you in the right direction. I acknowledged that you mentioned J for whatever reason that you did, and that J can go if that would make you feel better. It just happens to be a bad play.

Nabe town flip would make me suspicious of Soup in particular.

Why is that?
Unless there's an implication there, you should pursue your own scumreads. Me flipping town doesn't make me right.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Asdioh, Nabe, Glyph

Thoughts on J/TDW/Soup scumteam?

No comment.

J and Soup are probably scum

Why do you say that?

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

Lynching TDW? Why would ya wanna do that?

@Nabe my question toward you in whatever post it was that I voted you in has yet to be answered. Keep in mind I DID want that answered mang. I mean lol your most recent posting just seems so demeaning, tryna play by the sidelines. Just because you come in here and say that J is scum doesn't mean you can chill out in the back and do straight up NOTHING.

@Soupamario I swear to god if you revert back to your Epicmafia train of thought... you don't wanna know how much I'll rage. You claimed VT from out of the blue for no reason, becuase you wanted to "narrow down the clears" or something, but there's no way to narrow em down if it's a closed setup. Idk whether I skimmed over any good reasoning for your claim or not, but seriously I just facepalm'd so hard on that shiz...

@J I don't think any sort of a Glyph lynch will be going anywhere any time soon (iirc that's one of your higher scum picks along with two other people, one of which I can't remember?). Wanna make use of your vote and get a Nabe wagon going?

@Asdioh, GLG my mangz, do you guys oppose a Nabe wagon?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

As well, Glyph, you should respond to my question in 1971, since X1 seems to be elsewhere.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe my question toward you

?????????

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

@Nabe if there's a case on Soup you can show me, please do. If not, tell me why I think you're being mad jumpy about getting people on Soup.

Add the word "opprotunistic" after the word "jumpy".

Oh and also all the things I pointed out in my 1979.

 

[Seikend]

@TDW You haven't been scumhunting. All that I remembered you doing is defending J.

X1, check out the exchange that goes on in 1042 > Bottom of 1045 > 1052, i.e. TDW/Asdioh.

Also this.

I have no interest in lynching you toDay currently. I'd rather look at J and Soup. But if they flip scum, it'd lead me to TDW scum.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

So J/Soup scumteam?

Meh... not convinced. I'll look more into it in depth before the week ends. But now, going out for a run.

 

[Asdioh]

Oh gosh I like Seik's play all of a sudden. Glad to see support for the idea of Smargscum.
1059 is an ugly switch to Soup that coincides with the first person to really lay a vote on Smarg.

X1, check out the exchange that goes on in 1042 > Bottom of 1045 > 1052, i.e. TDW/Asdioh.

added links to the posts for maximum convenience

@Asdioh, GLG my mangz, do you guys oppose a Nabe wagon?

Not atm.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

TDW: I haven't made a case against Soup in the slightest. I'm not sure what you mean by jumpy. Opportunistic is more obvious, but still far from correct? You'll have to elaborate if you want an answer to that, because currently it isn't a question that begs my response, so much as a question that vilifies me to others.

Also this.

You read that just now? What were your thoughts?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

So J/Soup scumteam?

Meh... not convinced. I'll look more into it in depth before the week ends. But now, going out for a run.

He didn't write anything that attempted to convince you, so it certainly would have been abnormal if you had been.

 

[Seikend]

You read that just now? What were your thoughts?

Yes. Saw it at the time but didn't think much of it then.



First I don't like Asdioh answering my question. Bugs me, but eh.


TDW has clearly read what Asdioh says regarding Soup, but chooses to ignore it and instead asks Asdioh a completely unrelated question. He then goes on to assert that Soup's vote is a null and not scummy.


Feels like he's trying to divert attention away from the issue, with no solid reasoning to do so.

 

[Asdioh]

Not atm.

Wait, I read the question wrong. Yes, I oppose a Nabe wagon currently.

Seik, what didn't you like?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Soup's claim and general frantic play recently are what really pushed him into scumsville for me Nabe.

I'm about to leave for class, but I'm not seeing much of a connection. Could well be that Asdioh called in his scum buddy TDW to help defend him and make Soup look bad.

So I guess TDWscum would imply Asdiohscum, but if either of them were to flip town, it'd be a null read in my opinion.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

TDW should claim so we can avoid taking time on a wagon.

 

[Seikend]

Seik, what didn't you like?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12482697&postcount=1045

You stepping in to answer a question directed at me in this post.

 

[Asdioh]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12482697&postcount=1045

You stepping in to answer a question directed at me in this post.

...? You asked me my reads on three players, and I gave them?

 

[Seikend]

No, no. The bottom one.

TDW directs a post at me and you answered.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

@TDW You haven't been scumhunting. All that I remembered you doing is defending J.

That's quite subjective. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that... I AM scumhunting. But how am I supposed to defend myself? Oh wait that's right I have people like Pink Lemonade who realize that I'm scumhunting. Ggs.

Also this.

Kuz was the one who was posting at that moment, but looking at it once, I was like "dang looks like a possible chainsaw defense". But after rereading it, asdioh just seemed to be pointing out the fact that Soup's voting was accidental, rather than Kuz' assumption of it being intentional.

TDW: I haven't made a case against Soup in the slightest. I'm not sure what you mean by jumpy. Opportunistic is more obvious, but still far from correct? You'll have to elaborate if you want an answer to that, because currently it isn't a question that begs my response, so much as a question that vilifies me to others.

All I can remember you doing all Day toDay is calling J scum, and then (iirc) calling Soup scum. Which is dumb, not helpful, not scumhunting, and FAKE CONTRIBUTING.

He didn't write anything that attempted to convince you, so it certainly would have been abnormal if you had been.

Last time I checked Seik was try'na push a Soup/J scum team, which would mean that he'd need town's weigh in on the opinion. My weight on the opinion is that I'm not convinced. Strawman my arse off or waaaaaat?

TDW should claim so we can avoid taking time on a wagon.

Hurr durr rolefishing

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

what L-? is J on?

 

[Seikend]

L-5 or something.

 

[Kataefi]

VOTE COUNT!

[2] Asdioh - Soupamario / Aposl
[2] Nabe - Pink Lemonade / Toasting Dat Walrus
[1] Aposl - J
[1] J - Glyphmoney
[1] Soupamario - Seikend

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] KevinM
[0] Toasting Dat Walrus
[0] Seikend
[0] Glyphmoney

[4] Not Voting: GandhiLaserGun / Nabe / KevinM / Asdioh

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Deadline set for Tuesday, April 19th, Midnight GMT.

 

[Seikend]

:/.

@Nabe Why isn't your vote on Soup if he's scum?

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

Unvote
Vote: J