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Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

Aposl

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@soup

all i was saying was, when you posted aposl killed smarg,was that I thought you were posting that as, I think this and am building a case on it later. Now that I know you have already built a case, that you havent revealed, but you did that on purpose, I was like oh, thats cool because I thought you were just randomly throwing out your thoughts, but now that I think about it, JUST SHOW ME YOUR CASE!
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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i'm having a great time smacking people around, i should do this more often.

First things first.

Aposl said:
Does this actually progress the game, I feel like the best first round vote is to vote out the least intelligent player, my reasoning is as follows, even if hes on your team he can hurt it, so you dont feel as bad when he turns out to be town. But you will feel bad if you vote out a decent player, and it turns out that he is on your side. Same goes for Mafia's team. If the dumbest player is town this is free to you, if hes in your team, you could use it as a strategy to mind game the opponent. This strategy requires no random vote, just lynch the village idiot.
So, following this, who was your village idiot you wanted lynched?

Aposl said:
Well let me rephrase. Not least intelligent, but least logical. Yes there is experienced players who can probably read the hell out of noobs, but the noobiest thing a person can do is make incorrect logical connections. Basically people who's thinking style is weak. We still have to do the same thing in this "stage" of the game, but if we go after people's intelligence instead of alliance it will allow us to see everyones defense style, argumentation style etc... See how they think, judge whose thinking is the weakest and rid ourselves of them. I have lost a Mafia game because someone on my team couldn't make the correct logical connections to players actions, and game situations, where if I had been in his role it would have been GG's.

Also we can still accuse people of being Mafia, or town or whatever but still implement this strategy.
you've done this all game. :urg:

like i have said, who is this person to you, and if this is your play, why didn't you?

Aposl said:
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Originally Posted by JTB View Post
Accusations force reactions out of people, which can help determine alignments.
Now this is what I was referring too. This may be true, but you state it as an absolute. Reactions can be simulated, or people can lie, or not react (which some will take as a reactions.)But in the end I feel it much better to force, convince or trick people into telling their opinions about something without being defensive.

I guess I will be the good cop and you accusers can be the bad cop. Lol
yes, people can lie, this is a game of deception.

"i love everyone here so that makes me town. <3"

Aposl said:
This works in the favor of scum much more, they know their targets and can seemingly for no reason make accusations during this period under the guise of "this is just how you play" If they have a good reason then its more likely that they are town, or the accused is stupid and bad at defending themselves.
is this how you find scum? you look for peoples reactions? why haven't you done this yourself?

you've been so silent, Aposl, and you're not the best to defend yourself.

i like the next post here.

Aposl said:
Alright I am going to take a strong stance against Smarg

Reasoning: I apparently made an extremely nooby play at the begenning of the game, everyone told me this and either said, you are noob,scum or both. Smarg kept pressing me for my opinion on the matter even though it was clear that that kind of play was not viable, because no one approved. This and she accused me of being scum leads me to believe that she wants me to look bad and wants to bring up this nooby strategy more and more to continue to be a target, Because I am town, and obviously pretty new to this, I was seen as an easy target for Scum Smarg. Also the fact that she contiued to ask me to answer her question even though I already did, leads me to believe that she really wanted me to keep the topic on this idea of lynching stupid players, (which I have admitted to being nooby) even though there was no more reason to bring that idea up.
that's scumhunting, and also, i think this is what leads to Smarg's death, you felt she had something on you, so you went and killed her, in fact, i remember you being on Smarg half of the game, and hardly anyone accounted you, or asked you questions, or whatnot.

you breezed through D1, and like a noob play, you killed the only person who believed to have a case on.

some other stuff later, i want Aposl to look at this.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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well not naive, im pretty sure that a double role block doesnt exsist, i just said I cant trust others to tell me stuff like that, when its in their favor for me to beleive so. That example right there is one in which multiple people from both sides of the argument belive and dont beleive it can happen. Let me clarify though. Double role block can happen, its unlikley j would have known it happened. What i beleive j was trying to tell us is not only was his role block, but then he was silenced, wich is a friggin watcher role block. YOU KNOW SO HE CANT TELL US WHO VISITED SMARG. Then why would mafia role block him twice if they already stopped his ability to watch smarg, only argument available is because they wanted us to mislynch J? Im not buying it, I thought J was town in day one, theres no way we only voted town members yesterday, theres no way, wich means I think J or Asidoh are mafia, or both of them, but I actually have this case against J, so Im goin with J.

Sorry J, I know yyou think I am scum now, but cmon...

double roleblocked, cant defend yourself, can post silly pictures, but every time we make a suggestion you cant do it.

I have an idea j, go to memegenerator.com make the url for all you posts http://memegenerator.net/j and i will post the pics you make as your posts. Since you are not posting it you wont get mod killed right? Just type whatever you want your arguments to be.
how is it in favor?

Role-block J, kill Smarg, Silence him so he can't get his word out on who he thinks role-blocked him, it's pretty smart.




@soup

all i was saying was, when you posted aposl killed smarg,was that I thought you were posting that as, I think this and am building a case on it later. Now that I know you have already built a case, that you havent revealed, but you did that on purpose, I was like oh, thats cool because I thought you were just randomly throwing out your thoughts, but now that I think about it, JUST SHOW ME YOUR CASE!
i did.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Noted that my lynch toDay is asdioh, and i would rather focus on him then Aposl, we can deal with aposl later.
 

Seikend

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Hey guys, I'm back from my V/LA early: Family car broke down and so I won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I'll start catching up soon and I'll hopefully be up to date with the thread in a couple of days.
 

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NOT currently high, accidentally clicked the Post Quick Reply button, but I thought that was pretty funny, and pretty stupid, what I said while high :p.

I think J's claim is legit about not being able to post in words. I mean, if he's gonna get pic/gif restricted, it'd be broken if he can get his point across with text on a jpg. I mean come on wtf.

Nabe seems really angsty about getting a Soup lynch through. I don't really remember a case on Soup to reference anything scummy he's done, and with my read, he's seeming pretty null atm. I can see genuine town intentions from em. It seems to me like an attempt of a ML.

Vote: Nabe

@Nabe if there's a case on Soup you can show me, please do. If not, tell me why I think you're being mad jumpy about getting people on Soup.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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@TDW

have you seen my Asdioh case?

agree? Disagree?

you can look at the Aposl one, but between you and me,
it's only for reactions.
 

Aposl

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oh, so your saying that its my fault smarg died? your wrong, me and smarg bickered back and forth, and not until the day was ending did others start to make arguments on her, which got her votes, which revealed her role, then she got NK. Unlike me who tunneled smarg, in self defense, only responding to her claims, she made cases against alot of people and got them angry. She shouldve played more like me because she was the doc IMO. But what do I know right?

@ soup the first question you just asked, has been asked and answered, guess who asked it, Smarg! The answer was originally Seikend. The second question you ask, is why didnt you pursue this play. My answer that I already gave to Smarg, who asked the same question, was, because I was being told it was a nooby play that read scum. Me being a noob, I was intimidated, so I thought, oh well they know better than me. Now I see I should have stuck to my guns and played the way I wanted to play, but oh well, you ive and learn. Why would you bring up asked and answered questions, its a weak argument, your argument for how I killed smarg is weak. You first accuse me of not scumhunting, then say I scum hunted smarg and got her killed, are you pro me scum hunting or anti? Your stances are confusing, at first I thought you were going somewhere with that asidoh thing but it seems your more worried about your own butt, so you throw out your little side arguments on me for back up i guess. If Asidoh was really your play for today, my name would not have been in your post. But now that I see how weak your case is against me, I see why you mentioned so early. So it would seem stronger later, when you could say, I always had suspicions on aposl. Your suspicions are unfounded and very scummy or stupid. But idc, J is still my vote for the day. If it comes down to you or some one else however, I will vote you in a milisecond! XD have a nice day.
 

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actually soup, when I re-read your asidoh argument, I will be more in favor of asidoh, if you are right
 

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oh, so your saying that its my fault smarg died? your wrong, me and smarg bickered back and forth, and not until the day was ending did others start to make arguments on her, which got her votes, which revealed her role, then she got NK. Unlike me who tunneled smarg, in self defense, only responding to her claims, she made cases against alot of people and got them angry. She shouldve played more like me because she was the doc IMO. But what do I know right?
i can't even understand what you are saying, it's worded and the grammar is awful.

however, through my deducting skills...

yes, they did, didn't they, neat and all but..how does a doc play to you? what made her scummy?

why didn't you have stances, what is your opnion on smarg dying?


@ soup the first question you just asked, has been asked and answered, guess who asked it, Smarg! The answer was originally Seikend. The second question you ask, is why didnt you pursue this play. My answer that I already gave to Smarg, who asked the same question, was, because I was being told it was a nooby play that read scum. Me being a noob, I was intimidated, so I thought, oh well they know better than me. Now I see I should have stuck to my guns and played the way I wanted to play, but oh well, you ive and learn. Why would you bring up asked and answered questions, its a weak argument, your argument for how I killed smarg is weak. You first accuse me of not scumhunting, then say I scum hunted smarg and got her killed, are you pro me scum hunting or anti? Your stances are confusing, at first I thought you were going somewhere with that asidoh thing but it seems your more worried about your own butt, so you throw out your little side arguments on me for back up i guess. If Asidoh was really your play for today, my name would not have been in your post. But now that I see how weak your case is against me, I see why you mentioned so early. So it would seem stronger later, when you could say, I always had suspicions on aposl. Your suspicions are unfounded and very scummy or stupid. But idc, J is still my vote for the day. If it comes down to you or some one else however, I will vote you in a milisecond! XD have a nice day.
you were, weren't you! wow! that's not a reason at all to NKill someone.

"HEY YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THAT GUY DON'T VOTE ME GO BACK ON ASDIOH OMG YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE CASES ON ME I'M TOWN!"

there are more then one scum, Aposl, YOUR posts are confusing, you make no sense, you're not trying to adapt to learning how to play, and this makes you naive, WHICH YOU ARE STILL BEING THAT.
 

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fantastic aposl, stop getting so defensive all the freaking time.
 

Seikend

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So a page on posting restriction stuff, and an argument between Apsol/Soup I skimmed. Cool.

@J What on your re-read changed your opinion of me from scum, to town you could trust?

@Glyph @Nabe thoughts on TDW?

@Soup @ Aposl What have you both got from your exchange so far toDay?
 

Aposl

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okay, soup was right, Im naive, just re read, and now with my tail between my legs and my head held low in shame, i thin asidoh is the vote. Not just going off of soups arguments but walrus's smarg quote got me. Now i look really dumb but for the sake of town.

Vote Asidoh

basically the VT being a watcher gambit making no sense and the contradiction that soup found in asidohs story. After all of that I see that Asidoh being town is a bigger pill to swallow than the eclectic misfortune to befall J. He sasy he didnt want to know which side he was on till the middle of D1, but played as if was mafia, wich day 1, without knowing who your alliances are is like playing town? Then he leaves crumbs of being a watcher, in order to do a gambit that was pro town, but he says he thought he was mafia, This is the contradiction soup found. But on top of that,how can you lay crumb for a pr gambit unless he was sure he didnt get that role. He could have gotten that role and ended up leaving crumbs to his actual role, I guess that scenario was never thought out? Who switched the wagon from Asidoh to smarg? I believe it wasn't me because I think my vote was on smarg already, but not sure.

Also will try better to be more patient when constructing posts.
 

Aposl

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well, I really like soup atm, but thinking what that means for the rest of my scum picks and town picks
 

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Also,we cant let this happen, gotta few things to say about this later because I know right now its secondary but....
 

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A J lynch kills a potential watcher, and this way, J can't bs even if he is scum, if Smarg dies, J did it, if J dies, smarg did it, and i hardly think scum would go ahead and do that.

J is safe for now, let him live for the moment, but if we decide to lynch him later on, so be it.

don't fix something if it's not broken, which this situation is not.
What happened to this?
 

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didn't adress the fact there was a roleblocker, or, i didn't assume it, but it does confirm J as watcher though, he was indeed role-blocked.

and also, Smarg died, but as i said, J WAS ROLEBLOCKED.

he didn't see who visited him, and like i said (lol) he was role-blocked, however, he's just gonna keep getting role-blocked, so we have to either hit role-blocker toDay or i will sadly have to assume there could be a gambit in J, which i don't at this moment.
 

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I skimmed your case on asdioh. What you gave, I don't necessarily agree with, BUT it does help me with my read on you, seeing that I can see clear townie intentions coming from the case. It seems like the whole of your case revolves around determining the reason as to why he chose not to read his role PM and play scummy, all the while accepting the fact that he DIDN'T read his role PM. But if you do accept the fact that he didn't start off by reading his role PM, then what is it that's so wrong with the gambit? He didn't know if he'd be using it in a pro town or anti town manner, when he found out his alignment, he used it as a pro town gambit. I guess my whole question mark toward your case is, well, why do you care that he did the gambit, if you accept the fact that he didn't read his role PM till later into the game?
 

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didn't adress the fact there was a roleblocker, or, i didn't assume it, but it does confirm J as watcher though, he was indeed role-blocked.

and also, Smarg died, but as i said, J WAS ROLEBLOCKED.

he didn't see who visited him, and like i said (lol) he was role-blocked, however, he's just gonna keep getting role-blocked, so we have to either hit role-blocker toDay or i will sadly have to assume there could be a gambit in J, which i don't at this moment.
:/.

So on D1 you were considering J as either scum or town, based on whether Smarg lives or not.

Now that Smarg is dead at the start of D2, J is a "confirmed" watcher?

You haven't even considered the possibility of Jscum lying about being RBed?

How do you know there's a roleblocker?
 

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i just think that you wouldn't just not deliberatley read your own role pm, and he even said he hoped he was scum, i just feel he had scummy intentions rather then pro-town intentions.

TDW said:
when he found out his alignment, he used it as a pro town gambit. I guess my whole question mark toward your case is, well, why do you care that he did the gambit, if you accept the fact that he didn't read his role PM till later into the game?
because what i'm getting at is that HE DID know his role pm, he did know where he was aligned, his excuse was that he didn't read his role PM, which i find bull-****, because you would not just go into a game without knowing your faction, he did on scummy intentions, he was caught in his lie, and that role pm thing was his folly.

TDW, read it again, please, what part do you not understand, what parts don't you agree with me?

i feel i have a very strong scum read on Asdioh right now, and you're saying NOPE!

why, state me where i am wrong.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Seikend said:
:/.

So on D1 you were considering J as either scum or town, based on whether Smarg lives or not.

Now that Smarg is dead at the start of D2, J is a "confirmed" watcher?

You haven't even considered the possibility of Jscum lying about being RBed?

How do you know there's a roleblocker?
uhhh..yeah, i have stated my reasons on this, it's really frustrating though when i think i've latched onto something really good and everyone goes "NOPE."

i would really like everyone to read my case, and comment on it, this is almost a lynchable thing, FMPOV.
 

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and sorry, there is a possibility, but right now, AS I HAVE STATED, i want people to talk to me about the asdioh case, ***** about J later, okay?
 

Seikend

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You don't explain your reasoning at all. All you do is repeatedly state that J was roleblocked.

Okay..so..

J was roleblocked, that is quite obvious, but apparently, J was roleblocked TWICE.

now, it only allows J to post pictures, seems quite obvious, and the roleblock was definetley happening, but twice? i'm not

sure about it, J, i know you can only post in pictures, but please elaborate for me what happened and what your actions

were.

when i got up, i seen Smarg had died, and that confirmed the fact there is a roleblocker, however..

Smarg was only a doctor if that, smarg coulda docced herself and survived, but apparently, she still died so it made me

believe smarg did indeed doc J.

I feel fine with saying that J is indeed a watcher, as he was roleblocked, but the picture parts disturbs me a bit.

basically, J is fine for now, however, won't J just keep getting roleblocked now?
There's a role blocker. There's a roleblocker. There's a roleblocker. There's a roleblocker. There's a roleblocker. There's a roleblocker. There's a roleblocker. Explain why you're posting in pictures J.


That's the post pretty much summed up.



Asdioh has explained why he crumbed the PRS before. I'll let him repeat it, ceebs digging it up.

And the rest of the case is "Why do you think J is scum?" :/.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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skimmed first couple pages, digress, someone mentioned silencer too, so that's also a possibility.

and yes, i have stated that, J will just keep getting role-blocked, he's almost not a use to us anymore, i don't back down from that, J might indeed be the lynch toDay, but i'm looking up other alleys, okay?

Seikend, please, READ IT READ MY ****KKINGGG CASEEEE!

don't skim it, read it all, i will scream this until i am blue in the face i have found something looking at, and everyone is just taking it as ****!

it's infuriating!
 

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  1. Do not post hidden text. (Spoiler tags are allowed because they are easily noticeable. Posting text with the intent to hide it from other players, e.g. by changing the text colour to resemble the page background, is not permitted.)
  2. Do not post in code.
  3. You must post in English.
@MOD: Why include rules such as these and then include a role that prevents a player from following them? None of J's posts have been in english beyond quotes and the occasional word in an image.

If there is no such role and J is faking the whole thing: Request Modkill
 

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Seikend, I haven't really looked at TDW much, but nothing he's done has really jumped out at me as super town/scummy. I'd say pretty null on him.
 

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Soup, why you so mad? We're still bros, right?

I responded to the case on Asdioh which was in your first post. I thought that was the entire case.

I missed whatever you posted in subsequent posts :/. Reading now.
 

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that we are, just kinda tired of that re-direction, been lurking this thread for like..2 hours now waiting for some feedback.
 

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Don't know how to quote it without losing the Asdioh quotes.
Have to explain what you're implying from the first two posts.

"Neat, gambits are alright.

one thing though, Asdioh, this was half-way into the game, i think by now you would have enough information to pull this 'gambit.'


so asdioh, what were you waiting for? what made you so determined to hide this?"

.______. His gambit is based on faking NIGHT ACTIONS. Obviously he couldn't do it on D1 because there's rarely EVER a N0. Obviously he would have been waiting for D2.
"so..basically, you WAITED AT LEAST PART OF D1.

in your crumb (and i have looked at this) you started your quite early into your entrance. contradiction much?"

Don't understand. Explain please.


Agreed with the watcher-tracker claim but hoping he was scum bit. I think I touched on it earlier, but I can't remember. Looks iffy to me.


He read his PM pretty early into the game iirc. It doesn't excuse anything post... JTB/Seikend I think. I don't think it was intended to.


Doesn't really change my opinion much. I was very iffy with the claim too when it happened. I have him as town currently, but I'm not very confident on that read. Won't be pushing for an Asdioh lynch based on just this. Hoping he's more involved toDay though.
 

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you know what, i give up, i do, i don't need to requote what i was said, i don't.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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in fact, while i'm at it, i'm gonna claim right now.

VT.

that's it, no crumbs, no gambits, nothing, just a VT.

a very frustrated one if that.
 
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