Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[JTB]

@J, I didn't mean a wagon in which everyone claimed, but instead everyone focused on a single player's posts at once, asked questions, scumpicks, w/e.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J If JTB was my top scumpick I would have responded to him attempting to clear himself. I haven't responded because I'm not interested currently. You are currently my top pick.

Why am I your top pick? Can JTB/J be a scum-team? Why am I scummier then JTB if you have been a very proud vocal announcer that you think JTB is scum but with J you are more of a tag-along?

Do you think your lynch is a realistic lynch to do?

 

[#HBC | J]

@J, I didn't mean a wagon in which everyone claimed, but instead everyone focused on a single player's posts at once, asked questions, scumpicks, w/e.

Aaaaaah I gotcha now.

Did you think I was Seikend's top scum-pick the way he has been talking?

 

[Seikend]

Why am I your top pick? Can JTB/J be a scum-team? Why am I scummier then JTB if you have been a very proud vocal announcer that you think JTB is scum but with J you are more of a tag-along?

Do you think your lynch is a realistic lynch to do?

Because umadscummy.

yeah, JTB/J is very possible.

I've been vocal about JTB because I presented the case. I was a "tag-along" for you because it was GLG's main case, which I agreed with and added my points to.

That's not for me to decide, is it?

 

[JTB]

@J, no.

 

[#HBC | J]

Because umadscummy.

yeah, JTB/J is very possible.

I've been vocal about JTB because I presented the case. I was a "tag-along" for you because it was GLG's main case, which I agreed with and added my points to.

That's not for me to decide, is it?

Seikend answer me this please. Do so clearly in your own words......*ahem*

WHY AM I MAD SCUMMY?

Thank you.

Also explain how JTB/J is very possible. You say it as if that is the team you are starting to form in your head. Present why it can be like so.

You've barely added points to GLG's case and your entire reason for being a tag-along to my wagon is his case. So you think my defense was inadequate. Why was it inadequate because what I am seeing is that because I called you scum you are turning up the heat on your J is scum view.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J, no.

Same. I want to move to Seikend now because of his last couple posts are just atrociously scummy but I want Asdioh pressure and need more from him.

@Mod: What is the deadline day?

 

[Seikend]

Seikend answer me this please. Do so clearly in your own words......*ahem*

WHY AM I MAD SCUMMY?

Thank you.

wrt. your post: "Whoever suggested Ran should have July/Joey review all his posts before posting is just ******-dumb. I mean I've read so stupid things but damn. =3 You guys win."

What's the intent of the post?

It doesn't make sense as a town post.

It completely avoids the recent exchange (JTB/Seikend).
It's not scumhunting at all.

On the other hand.

It leads conversation towards discussion that doesn't scumhunt. (Discussing whether Ran should post or not isn't scumhunting).
It's calling out GLG as "******-dumb". Creates a bad impression of GLG, makes him less trustworthy.

Also explain how JTB/J is very possible. You say it as if that is the team you are starting to form in your head. Present why it can be like so.

JTB looks scummy. J looks scummy. Therefore JTB/J is possible.

Clearing or incriminating someone because of a read on someone else is dumb. Relations are only useful once you have a confirmed townie/scum.

You've barely added points to GLG's case and your entire reason for being a tag-along to my wagon is his case.

The quote.

So you think my defense was inadequate. Why was it inadequate because what I am seeing is that because I called you scum you are turning up the heat on your J is scum view.

Or alternatively, I've turned up the heat on J scum because you are actually here to respond to stuff.

 

[#HBC | J]

wrt. your post: "Whoever suggested Ran should have July/Joey review all his posts before posting is just ******-dumb. I mean I've read so stupid things but damn. =3 You guys win."

Wait, so you mean that's it. That's the only thing that points to me being super-duper scummy? You've got to be kidding me.

JTB looks scummy. J looks scummy. Therefore JTB/J is possible.

Clearing or incriminating someone because of a read on someone else is dumb. Relations are only useful once you have a confirmed townie/scum.

Lol no. Alright how you find mafia scum-mates are basing things of reads of the other persons because that is how it works. Relations are CRUCIAL. Why would they not be?

The quote.

One quote, that's what you added. Congrats. Are you seriously saying that's enough to not say that you are not a tag along. And the quote you are referring to is the kitty face one no?

Or alternatively, I've turned up the heat on J scum because you are actually here to respond to stuff.

.......really? You didn't answer what you thought about my defense and give an almost BS answer saying "well because you're here I am gonna apply pressure NOW." It makes no sense and you don't even deny that in my quote I was right.

 

[Asdioh]

k this is gonna suck to respond to because it's so long but I got this.

This is his first post into the game. During this first post he sortof defends who is catching the most heat so far which is Glyph. He admits to coasting and says everyone has forgotten about him and then says he will read.

This post is weird because he just did a sort of defense on Glyph then when called upon it he shuts up and goes, "Uhm I just looked at the page and in reality I have no opinion of the guy." Don't really like.

Ok, this is what happened. I hadn't read the thread at all during the day, but it exploded. I came in, briefly skimmed the thread, noticed that practically nobody had mentioned me, and saw someone (PL I think?) say something along the lines of "it looks like Glyph is the lynch for ToDay." All I did was acknowledge this, I seriously had no opinion of Glyph or anyone because I hadn't read yet. It was pretty much a long-winded "hey guys, I'm here" post. The avatar thing was a joke, but srsly Satan probably would be scum. I don't really see how any of that could be seen as defending Glyph, but ok.

Then admits to skimming and agrees with Soupa on JTB.

There's a difference between skimming, and saying "I skimmed through the brand-new page 11 and noticed this (insert thing here) I'll read the rest of page 11 now"

Asdioh becomes really defensive when questioned by TDW and says that he is just null on the situation. Then he asks a somewhat ditzy question saying he doesn't even know who TDW is.

You seriously call that defensive? He said something about me calling him inactive, when I barely knew who he was. I'm assuming he thought that because all I put next to his name in my list of players was \(o_o)/

Second line is admitting he didn't have a real reason to call JTB scum but sticks by it anyways.

Nope, at the time, JTB looked pretty scummy to me. The difference between us that you mention is that JTB had posted numerous times, simply bandwagoning (sure, it was early game) but little else, from what I saw. Since then, I think he's looked less scummy.

Third line is crucial because this is where he kindof answers my question but still doesn't. (if that makes sense then I applaud you for understanding me) He says that he was just writing impressions of people. Not what his thoughts were and what were behind them but little impressions. He also begins to show a bit of slight when asked from JTB about Seikend and says "Ok I guess" and just *shrugs* off the accusation of Asdioh/Seikend scum-team.

I just wanted to get my thoughts out there before going to bed. I've said that multiple times.
I was just wondering about JTBs thought process. Apparently he connected me with Seikend, out of all the people I listed as town, because Seikend was under pressure at the time. Then later, TDW kind of defends me (for some reason) and JTB admits the connection was wrong.

Another deduction; AsdiohScum =/= SeikendScum. He would have been a bit more worried by that if so and it shows a bit more not caring if Seikend is lynched after him if the connection is drawn because then it would be a ML from a scum PoV.

Does this also mean that Seikendscum != Asdiohscum? If he flips scum, I'm town?

Defending Ranmaru. Find it bleck when someone else does it and they don't get heat but when I say I would like Ranmaru to continue posting I get all this flak.

\(o_o)/

Oh lookie look Asdioh is buddying Glyph again by supporting him on the non-joke thing when Glyph/TDW were commenting on it.

Something to point out would be the Asdioh-BSL connection because why would Asdioh put pressure on the already growing steam caught on his scum buddy by just simply repeating the facts? KevinM/Glyph/TDW were on him. He also nitpicks and continues to cast judgement on him....it just seems a bit faked forced. Asdioh/BSL seems interesting to look into. AsdiohScum flip would def shed some light onto it.

When something sticks out to me, I point it out. I don't care if others got to it first, that doesn't mean I'm buddying or parroting.

Fluff/Joke post.



Somewhat joking post directing at Glyph.

This was on april fools day when sentences were mangled beyond recognition so I was just posting crap.

I agree with Asdioh's first point but then I must ask when Asdioh calls people bullies for bullying Ranmaru then why does no one call him on it? I just find it -_- is all. I guess it's mostly because I was the most vocal about my opinion where Asdioh has been coasting and not sticking out to that many people.

What do you mean?

Anyways back to what is important here. He is joke saying I am scum throughout the post and not really going into depth with very short curt one liners that don't really make sense because he doesn't say why.

You said "apparantly every post I make is such a scum-tell. ;_;"
It's not just this game, it's every game I've played with you.

Herp Derp to the first line. Why was it needed to say that?

Encouraging Soup to do what he said he was doing, because that would be on the right track. Most of his posts are usually.. confusing, but if he's going in-depth and posting relations etc. that's an improvement.

EBWOP post

god no wonder your post is so long, are you quoting everything??

He continues to defend Glyph like he has been the entire game, I feel like a broken record at this point x_x", when BSL says he finds Glyph as scum however becomes a middle man almost when he says he agrees with Soupa when he says Glyph is acting stupid.

I'm defending Glyph a bit because I feel he is town.
[metagaming]Do you remember me defending scummates, or hell, anyone, when I was scum?
Here's a hint: the one time I've been scum, I bussed the hell out of my scummates.[/metagaming]

Didn't I get on TDW for the EXACT same sort of thing? "Here give me your scum-picks so I can fix mine to match sound better." Which is the exact thing Asdioh has been doing this entire game!

Fine. She didn't want to list his potential scummates without a flip (which I thought was weird, in case she like, died at night and therefore couldn't give scumpicks) but this is what I thought: IF TDW were to flip scum, PL or Soup would be one of his likely scummates because of his initial RVS 'doublevote' which I'm pretty sure didn't actually count at all. Then most of his posts consist of seemingly forced hostility toward PL, with the whole "ran shouldn't post" bit and stuff, making me think PL was a likely scummate upon a TDW scumflip. Do I think he's scum yet? Not sure, pretty null atm, but I wanted to see Smarg's opinion on the matter since she was voting him when few others were paying attention to him.

With this ISO I remembered why my vote was on Asdioh is because I think he was scum and I thought the vote would be a little pressure to him to get his act in gear but it did nothing because I didn't substantiate why I thought he was scum.

Yeah I pretty much ignored it because it's rather unimpressive when the top scumpick of the group votes for me.

Asdioh has been doing some very odd things this game where the perfect wording to describe him would be skating by. He hasn't really been doing any scum-hunting,

ehh I'm trying. Sorry my opinions aren't strong enough.

comes in to defend some suspects when they get suspected. I.E. Glyph/Smarg/Seikend,

Tell me, why would I defend:
1. scummates if I were scum
2. town if I were scum
Wouldn't I go strongly against scum, to look good when they get lynched, and kind of coast by or try to make cases against them if they were town, to not have much blame when they were lynched?

and bandwagoning when it is needed.

What bandwagoning have I done besides you? I really hope you don't count JTB as bandwagoning.

However on a AsdiohTown flip even though I am confident on this we have to look into JTB/Seikend and my foot is down on if it is Scum vs. Town then JTB is the town and Seikend is the scum.

Oh, now we're getting somewhere. I've spent all this time responding to your hugeass post (please make cases against me more bite-size from now on? x_x) but I did notice that when the thread updated, JTB eventually voted for me. I have to wonder if townJTB would follow you on this if he didn't legitimately think I'm scum... or if he's scum looking for a good bandwagon. I'm kind of thinking the former, because I doubt scum would be so quick to follow you.

On an Asdioh scum flip I am thinking BSL's slot as a likely scum-buddy even though at this time based on actions he appears townish but he stays in null for me.. His dilemna has been over-exaggerated.

Scenario: I'm town. What do you think of BSL then?

And there is my response.


A list of town and scum looks like this.

Scum: Asdioh, Seikend, Glyph
Null: GLG, Smarg, TDW, BSL, Aposl
Town: KevinM, Soupa, PL

In no particular order.

Well, you've certainly given reasons for thinking I'm scum. I'll gladly continue defending myself if it seems necessary. Now I've gotta catch up with all the activity that took place when I was reading.

 

[Asdioh]

That seriously took like an hour, J. wtf

 

[#HBC | J]

*cracks knuckles*

Got another hour of time then Asdioh? ^^

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

YES good god I was estatic to get town because I have been Mafia for about 6/7 times in a row and it is just so sickening because I can personally tell it is eating away at my playstyle and I have a hard time playing as town because I have to get back into the mindset.

Not buying ittttttt

Reason I don't feel like persuing Glyph is because I have been for quite some time and nothing is coming from it because he is like a freaking wall that doesn't do a thing at all besides say J is scum when asked why I am scum. Asdioh needs more attention and I feel helluva lot more comfortable with his lynch.

You should try reading my posts sometime, I've actually stated why you're scum multiple times now.

On the subject of the Asdioh wagon, I'm finding it hard to tell if this is a bus or if J's just trying to pass the buck to someone else.

J, give me a full list of the players who would be scum depending on a townAsdioh flip or a scumAsdioh flip, and why.

Or does the following quote cover all the connections you've seen?

I think Asdioh is scum and upon of a scumFlip clears in my mind both JTB/Seikend. However on a AsdiohTown flip even though I am confident on this we have to look into JTB/Seikend and my foot is down on if it is Scum vs. Town then JTB is the town and Seikend is the scum. On an Asdioh scum flip I am thinking BSL's slot as a likely scum-buddy even though at this time based on actions he appears townish but he stays in null for me.. His dilemna has been over-exaggerated.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Asdioh - i just don't like making huge posts so i like to EBWOP alot. XD

 

[Seikend]

Wait, so you mean that's it. That's the only thing that points to me being super-duper scummy? You've got to be kidding me.

You asked me what I added, not what made you scum. Obviously GLG's observations are a part of it.

Lol no. Alright how you find mafia scum-mates are basing things of reads of the other persons because that is how it works. Relations are CRUCIAL. Why would they not be?

Okay. I disagree.

Take Person A and Person B. Your read on Person A will usually not be 100% accurate. There will be a margin of error. The link you make between Person A and Person B also has a margin of error. Your read of Person B will therefore have a larger margin of error.

I'd much rather just take a read on each individual than make links between unconfirmed people.

One quote, that's what you added. Congrats. Are you seriously saying that's enough to not say that you are not a tag along. And the quote you are referring to is the kitty face one no?

Okay. I disagree with you. And yes, that is what I'm referring to.

.......really? You didn't answer what you thought about my defense and give an almost BS answer saying "well because you're here I am gonna apply pressure NOW." It makes no sense and you don't even deny that in my quote I was right.

Nah. Too long. And I'm already convinced you're scum.

You should direct your post at people you might convince otherwise.

 

[Asdioh]

Lmfao.

Like seriously the irony of this post especially after I posted that case on you. What was the point of even saying this post btw? What did you hope to gain from asking me this?

What was the point of you saying the same thing I just said? "I am J, everything I say is apparently really scummy"

It's true. You're one of my top scumpicks, but it's hard to place exactly why, it just seems like scumminess is seeping out of everywhere with you. I am totally not talking about an ongoing game here, but I got the same impression of you at the beginning of DKR. I eventually dropped it because I thought "nah, he can't be THAT obvious as scum"

I was wrong.

*cracks knuckles*

Got another hour of time then Asdioh? ^^

that's what she said

Asdioh - i just don't like making huge posts so i like to EBWOP alot. XD

for the love of gog people, please quote exactly what you're responding to when there's lots of stuff going on.
Soup, I assume you're responding to "Most of his posts are usually.. confusing, but if he's going in-depth and posting relations etc. that's an improvement."

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i almost pity J, i guess that is one of the reasons i don't want to vote him, call it buddying, but i see some honesty in his posts, and he does seem really frustrated right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Asdioh

yeah, that's why i was hoping to hydra, i got thoughts, i just hate posting all those thoughts. :X

 

[Seikend]

i almost pity J, i guess that is one of the reasons i don't want to vote him, call it buddying, but i see some honesty in his posts, and he does seem really frustrated right now.

... Are you implying scum can't be frustrated?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

scum can be frustrated too, but i dunno man...just one of my reads right now.

 

[Seikend]

Another victim falls to J's infamous AtE.

He shall be missed.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

it's always been my read, so get that AtE outta here, i hate the AtE (lol hAtE) but... hmmm...lemme go reread seikend, i'll get back to you. :D

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh FML I was almost done responding to Asdioh and my tab got closed.

Good god it is hard to juggle 4 people presenting cases on me especially when 3/4 won't tell me WHY I'm scum.

Seikend, how petty.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gah I need a break I spent most of my time on that case and I just can't keep up with all this direction at once.

I'll get back to you guys in a bit.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Oh FML I was almost done responding to Asdioh and my tab got closed.

Good god it is hard to juggle 4 people presenting cases on me especially when 3/4 won't tell me WHY I'm scum.

Seikend, how petty.

Which people haven't stated why you were scum?

And I laughed irl at you responding to Seikend's comment with more AtE.

 

[Seikend]

@J I don't mind you using AtE. Null tell. Fair game. etc.

I just don't like Soup saying he doesn't want to vote you because of it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Which people haven't stated why you were scum?

And I laughed irl at you responding to Seikend's comment with more AtE.

The only one to present a case on why they legiteamately thought I was scum was GLG and that is why I can respect that as stating why I am scum.

Seikend thinks I am scum because of one quote that doesn't even do much of anything and then he just says "You are scum because you are just scum."

Asdioh isn't even saying why I am scum besides I am just apparantly obvscum.

You it's like talking to a wall because you have thought I am scum from your first post regarding my RVS post in which I said I was happy to get town WHEN I ACTUALLY WAS. That is the only thing you have presented as to why I am scum. All you have been saying is that J is scum.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also I'll be posting maybe tomorrow but really I don't know since now I am gonna be extremely busy.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I have no idea where Ran and July are, but where ever they are, I guess they left me to post.

Asdioh, why did you skip like half of his big post? I read through your responces and his post, and you skipped quite a bit of the big stuff.

FoS: Asdioh

Since I'm one head of the hydra and I have no idea where the other two are.

 

[Asdioh]

I have no idea where Ran and July are, but where ever they are, I guess they left me to post.

Asdioh, why did you skip like half of his big post? I read through your responces and his post, and you skipped quite a bit of the big stuff.

FoS: Asdioh

Since I'm one head of the hydra and I have no idea where the other two are.

It was massive. If he wants me to respond to anything in particular, he can point it out to me and I'll respond.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

That's not the point. You missed a HUGE part of his post. Probably the biggest and honestly the best point he had against you was something completely skipped. It was at the very top too.

>____>

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Meh, I find it null that Asdioh responded to the quotes directed to him. Doesn't mean he is scumhunting there, just refuting.

Although I'd like him to elaborate on this:

Defending Ranmaru. Find it bleck when someone else does it and they don't get heat but when I say I would like Ranmaru to continue posting I get all this flak.

Why do you feel you didn't get as much heat as J did?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

@X1:

I had Joey fix my post, so I did take some of your advice. Yet I will continue posting.

---------
Well, I think that J can play nice or mean as mafia, so I don't think that's a good basis for you to judge that on.

I was thinking that you and J could be playing good cop, bad cop. You proposed the post limit, and J was against it. I <3 what he said, but I have to be wary of him.

In RG, I thought it was odd that J posted a whole case about me being town, then hammered me in a odd way. I would have really pushed for J as scum there, but Ryker told me to trust him, so I did.

I'm null with J now, but I like that he's defending me, personally. What he said isn't scummy because it was regarding me playing. Seikind touched upon this, and I liked what he said. Still, it's null because it isn't really scum hunting because he is objecting to you proposing it as anti-town(which it isn't.)

You yourself weren't scum hunting when mentioning the plan, but now you're scum hunting on J for objecting to that. Who are your other scum picks, X1?

I find Asdioh null for defending me too.

 

[Asdioh]

Meh, I find it null that Asdioh responded to the quotes directed to him. Doesn't mean he is scumhunting there, just refuting.

Although I'd like him to elaborate on this:

Why do you feel you didn't get as much heat as J did?

Is this directed at me? I don't know... I don't really remember when J got "heat" for saying you should post? And if he did, while I didn't... make it's because I haven't played with you?

I find Asdioh null for defending me too.

Defending you, as in saying you should be allowed to post? I wouldn't call that defense, I would call it anti-bullying, or whatever you want to call that crap.

I also just recently said that if I were ever to be convinced that TDW is scum, then you are one of my top picks for his likely scum partner.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Being Anti-bullying is defending. What are you talking about?

This is his post from which he gathered while reading. I posted a response to this already in which I said I didn't like it. I had also asked him to elaborate on his scum-reads because he seems to put more effort into saying why someone is null or town for some pretty silly reasons and then leaves his scum picks just up in the air. He calls J/JTB/Aposl the scum-team. Though let's look at this though:

Glyph was persuing J at this time
Seikend was persuing JTB at this time
Smarg was persuing Aposl at this time

Asdioh happened to comment on all of them exactly at this time and agree with everyone being called scum? He also calls all Glyph/Seikend/Smarg towny looking in his post to help support them and their wagons against his scum picks which just seem faked to me. I find it weird as well is what he said about Soupa, before anything had gotten on he just said *Shrug* let's have him be vig fodder. The reason I found this weird is because why would you just say someone to be shot just to be shot.

The first part of the post is just complaining about hydras.

To this day from this post, Asdioh has not extrapolated on his thoughts on his scum-reads even when I directly asked him and FoS'd him on it. No he cannot say that he just didn't have anything else to say at the time because the game was already on page 10 of 40ppp.

Please respond to this fully, Asdioh.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

@Asdioh:

Yes. X1 and others were saying J was scum for objecting to me not posting.

I see, why?

It isn't good to talk about scum pairs on Day 1, because you don't have solid info to base that off. For example, let's say you call a scumteam, half-correctly. If the scum was lynched first, the other half would be town, but would be doomed to be a policy lynch. If you lynced town first, the scum would be semi-cleared and off the hook.

So you should only look at individual scumminess toDay, and then you can look at connections toMmorrow using a flip.

 

[JTB]

Hey Aposl, I see you viewing the thread. Are you going to continue to lurk or are you going to contribute?

 

[Dooms]

People got the J wagon started because of him defending the fact that this is a hydra and the fact that J wants the players to have fun.

Yeah. You didn't get that same thing for stating pretty much the same opinion.

Why do you think thats the case?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

People got the J wagon started because of him defending the fact that this is a hydra and the fact that J wants the players to have fun.

Yeah. You didn't get that same thing for stating pretty much the same opinion.

Why do you think thats the case?

I reckon this belongs to me.

 

[Asdioh]

Please respond to this fully, Asdioh.

I figured that's what you were talking about. I will.

@Asdioh:

Yes. X1 and others were saying J was scum for objecting to me not posting.

I see, why?

It isn't good to talk about scum pairs on Day 1, because you don't have solid info to base that off. For example, let's say you call a scumteam, half-correctly. If the scum was lynched first, the other half would be town, but would be doomed to be a policy lynch. If you lynced town first, the scum would be semi-cleared and off the hook.

So you should only look at individual scumminess toDay, and then you can look at connections toMmorrow using a flip.

Alright then.

People got the J wagon started because of him defending the fact that this is a hydra and the fact that J wants the players to have fun.

Yeah. You didn't get that same thing for stating pretty much the same opinion.

Why do you think thats the case?

I really don't know. (looking back now) GLG was one of the main ones to start against J, and he put a lot of emphasis on how J changed the words in his defense, mainly went from "stupid" to "mean"
I'm not convinced that J was voted for "because he was defending you"
Maybe nobody cared about what I said because there were already wagons going strong, and I didn't put a lot into my statement, I essentially just said "stop bullying him gtfo" ?

Also it looks like Seikend agreed with J on this matter as well, and I don't think he got flak because of it.

I feel that as long as people are intending to play to their win-con, then it's fine. So I guess I agree more with J.

But here's how I see it. I don't think my belief should have any impact on who plays, it's down to the mod's beliefs.

dGames doesn't have much in the way of quality control. The only barrier is the mod's decision on who can or can't in.

In this game the mod hasn't decided on any skill level required. Anyone was free to join. As such, anyone should be free to post.