Bidoof Academy - Pokémon Trainer Q+A Thread

[Geenareeno]

When you get d-thrown, especially by the ledge, your best option is probably to just lie there for a while. Get ready to SDI the sh d-air, and expect an f-tilt.

Won't you get u-tilt killed if you do that at kill percents?

 

[T-block]

Yes you will.

If you get grabbed at kill percents, you're going to die lol

 

[Geenareeno]

lol yeah. The first time I saw snakes b-throw I was like wtf. He just turns and you go flying.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nah he can just dthrow you and utilt WHATEVER YOU DO

 

[The Nameless Wanderer]

Actually ignore this post, wrong thread.

 

[Ingoro]

As Ramses said, we've got Mr.r who plays a lot on reaction so he grabs > downthrow > jabcancel grabs again. Btw does fair stop nades effectively? itwould make sense but I haven't seen any charizard doing this a lot in the match up.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nah, you can avoid it with a perfectly timed getup/getup attack, which isn't too hard as Mr R has a standard to read pattern when techchasing, you just need to get used to the fact that you have to outread him, haha.

Honestly, I'd rather go Ivy than Chari in the mu, and if I look at how early Squirtle dies, sometimes I feel like Ivy has an easier time, heh. Might just be that my Ivy is probably my best pokemon, but the point is that Charizard sucks in this MU : (

 

[Ingoro]

imma teach you proper charizard next tournament then I'll make you main this m.fo. The thing I like about ivy is her razor leaf exploding the nades when snake is holding them.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You better. Where do you live?

 

[Ingoro]

You better. Where do you live?

Near Alkmaar, I live on a bike distance of roNic & Tobi.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ohhh cool

You guys should host a smashfest sometime ;D

 

[PSI.kick]

Yo what's the best way to not have to use ivysaur at all in a match (other than 2-stocking someone)

Like when i get ivy what's the best way to switch back to charizard.

 

[T-block]

Learn to be competent with Ivysaur?

If you're super desperate, just switch and take the hit. If you're already at high percents and Charizard will just get killed, then just let Ivysaur die.

Otherwise, b-throw, f-air, dash attack are all fairly high knockback moves that are reasonable to land.

 

[Ingoro]

Learn to be competent with Ivysaur?

Other then that, You could start with Squirtle, get off the first stock with squirtle, switch at high percentage so Ivy dies somewhat easy and start out with a fresh charizard.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

I prefer to let Squirtle die so he is fresh, also Squirtle is really really good at holding stocks since he is really good not getting hit.

But I often will switch to Ivy at high percents, it is fairly player and character dependant for me though.

 

[Steeler]

the better charizard does and the worse ivysaur does, the more likely i will switch squirtle out instead of letting him die

 

[TheGeerz]

How do I beat a GnW?

 

[-LzR-]

Is Ivysaur really that bad? At least I do better with Ivy than Zard. So what else does Ivy have other than a bad recovery?

 

[Ingoro]

She cannot perform in the air.

 

[hurricanehans]

Ivy has a lack of useful kill moves. Sure they're there, but most of them are difficult to land.

 

[Geenareeno]

Idk i think it's pretty easy to kill as ivy compared to other characters in the cast. She has dash attack, fair, and f-smash. You can also ledgeguard with her instant tether but it only works on some characters.

 

[PSI.kick]

So i'm all backwards, i got good with ivy and charizard but i kinda suck with squirtle. Any quick tips to do with him? should i have more aerial play or grounded for him?

and ivy is good if you keep back and play defensively. i like camping with him.

 

[T-block]

Ivy has insane KO power, but it can sometimes be difficult to land her KO moves. She also has low aerial mobility, and has a lot of trouble when the opponent gets into close range, which is really bad when you get edgeguarded that easily.

PSI.kick, watching videos is probably the best piece of advice I can give. Squirtle's pretty easy to learn just by watching good players and trying some of the things they do. Whether you want to be more grounded or aerial depends on your opponent, among other things. There's no simple answer to that question.

 

[Geenareeno]

Watch Magik's videos, they will improve your Squirtle.

 

[Bomber7]

Imo, Ivy is a good for baiting. Just use razorleaf, forcing your opponent to come to you and then do what you can.

 

[T-block]

Razor Leaf doesn't force anything. The opponent could probably regularly shield most of them and not run out of shield at the rate the leaves fire.

 

[Geenareeno]

Not to mention still moving forward.

 

[PSI.kick]

just half-approach with rar sh bair, it seems pretty good at pressuring. then combine it with razor leaf and dtilt and you can get through their shield without getting too close, seems like it should work.
Also is there another AT thread or are the 3 at's for zard and ivy the only ones you guys have... the first post in there had a lot of updates that i couldn't find in the thread at all.

 

[T-block]

The AT thread was redone and the OP was copmletely reworked. Pretty much anything worth mentioning is in that thread.

 

[The Nameless Wanderer]

What's the frame data of Squirtle's Bair and Fair? Looking for the frame adv when it hits the opponent and shield.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Just thought I'd ask, what are popular counterpick stages for trainer? Are there any dramatic stages that can apply in most matchups? Or is it mostly personal preferance? Planning to use mostly trainer at the next tournament I attend, so I'll probably ask a question or two every now and then.

 

[Ingoro]

Stage counterpicking is a hard topic, in theory most pt's like brinstar but me for example hate the place and even switch characters when fighting there. Ps1 could be an option, but neutrals like Sv, bf do good to.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Just thought I'd ask, what are popular counterpick stages for trainer? Are there any dramatic stages that can apply in most matchups? Or is it mostly personal preferance? Planning to use mostly trainer at the next tournament I attend, so I'll probably ask a question or two every now and then.

Everybody takes me to Frigate Orpheon, and I -love- that level. Free Zero Switch every time the stage flips, and the platforms help your mediocre recovery.

Rainbow Cruise is a personal favorite for me. Perpetual Zero Switch (though it's not -that- important there, since it's easy to camp when you need to), walls for silliness (Squirtle's grab-release stuff can be absolutely dumb here, as well as simple locks like F-Tilt and jab), and little worry about recovering (so long as you're really careful about where you choose to fight).

 

[Ingoro]

Those stages are very, very interesting Reflex. Rainbow, I've NEVER even thought about going there, I guess picking the stage alone is a mind****. I'm just worried that Ivy can't even keep up with the stage.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

As an aside, if you Bullet Seed someone while on the carpet, they can potentially take a -lot- of damage.

 

[T-block]

Smashville and be good if you need Baton Passing.

My favourite is Pictochat - it also provides many opportunities for Baton Passing, it's got shorter sides to help alleviate our worse-than-average recoveries, and the we can take advantage of the damaging hazards with Squirtle/Charizard's strong grab game.

 

[Straider]

I have a question. Is there any use for the one of the 9 taunts of pt?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I have a question. Is there any use for the one of the 9 taunts of pt?

You can True Hydroplane -> Down-Taunt with Squirtle, and it will scare people, which looks funny.

 

[The Nameless Wanderer]

I myself am in love with Norfair. <3

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Liking the idea of Picto. Going to make sure I try that out. Frigate seems a bit like a double edge sword, haha. But I can see it working well in some matchups. Rainbow Cruise is an interesting idea too that I'll definitely be trying.

How do you all like Delfino? I've become really, really comfortable on it from Olimar, but I wasn't sure how well it would be for PT.