Bidoof Academy - Pokémon Trainer Q+A Thread

[Retro Gaming]

Which Pokemon is this?

Sorry, I should have specified. It happened(s) with Squirtle.

You could be doing a pivot into an uptilt maybe?

Sounds really cool.

Maybe. Now that I think about it I think what happens is I Bair fast-fall into the ground and then turn around and U-tilt.

Too bad I'm no good at actually doing what I want to do to get this to happen consistently.

 

[T-block]

Are you on slanted ground?

 

[typh]

what is this 20 questions? lmao

 

[Retro Gaming]

T-block: No, that would make sense.
It's happened to me on Final Destination and Pokemon Stadium 1 (starting stage).

Typh: It's 21, now?

 

[T-block]

Just checking ;D

I've actually noticed some interesting stuff with Squirtle's b-air too. B-air just barely before the ground > jab combo and Squirtle sorta shifts over as he lands because of the way he throws his entire body behind him. I've never noticed a slide, but I very rarely use b-air > u-tilt.

 

[Retro Gaming]

That lunge you notice is accented if you fast-fall at the ground, to the point where Squirtle shifts over enough to get behind most characters if they shield or something. What I was doing is Bair-ing through them to try to launch them up in an Utilt.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Retro I know you can make vids homie.

Make it happen.

 

[Bomber7]

I was thinking about something and I want some output on it.

If any of you are aware, when Zelda transforms, the person using Zelda can press pause and the game will still load the transformation, thus an instant and safe transformation. I thought I might be able to apply it to PT's switching. All I could find is that if you pause the game when the pokeball is far enough above the ground where if you were to pause the game it will appear on the screen without having to zoom out, wait like 3 seconds give 'er take and then unpause you will have a safe switch. Apparently when you will unpause the pokeball will shoot instantly to the ground and the pokemon will come out.

I'm a little iffy about it all. It looks like it works however at the same time, I'm not entirely sure if it does or doesn't make a difference.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I was thinking about something and I want some output on it.

If any of you are aware, when Zelda transforms, the person using Zelda can press pause and the game will still load the transformation, thus an instant and safe transformation. I thought I might be able to apply it to PT's switching. All I could find is that if you pause the game when the pokeball is far enough above the ground where if you were to pause the game it will appear on the screen without having to zoom out, wait like 3 seconds give 'er take and then unpause you will have a safe switch. Apparently when you will unpause the pokeball will shoot instantly to the ground and the pokemon will come out.

I'm a little iffy about it all. It looks like it works however at the same time, I'm not entirely sure if it does or doesn't make a difference.

Oh, man. I'm totally ready to cheat in tournament matches. Pretend I was pressing buttons, Down-B, "accidentally pause", apologize a couple of times, and switch.

 

[T-block]

That's pretty interesting actually... this load time thing is really stupid - the game designers should have just made it a set time -_-

If only this were allowed in tournament play lol

 

[Bomber7]

Oh, man. I'm totally ready to cheat in tournament matches. Pretend I was pressing buttons, Down-B, "accidentally pause", apologize a couple of times, and switch.

I remeber Lee Martin showing me that funny little tidbit when I played him at LasT2 talk about mindgames.

 

[Chuckles_KSU]

I'll have to try that in my next set of friendlies. Thanks for sharing.

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

SO MY ADVICE IS GO GET *****>


I learned a lot today.

Junk and Sky ***** ***** raaaaaped me.

 

[Dre89]

This probably a silly question, but is it a good idea to crouch with Squirtle against MK's dair camping?

Probably not but just wanted to make sure.

 

[Toby.]

MK shouldn't really dair camp squirtle anyway.

But yes we can crouch under it if he does it too high.

 

[Steeler]

pretty sure you have enough frame advantage that you can uair in between the dairs if he's low enough to hit you

 

[T-block]

^yeah you definitely do

 

[Chaosgriffin]

Hey Pokemon masters, I was wondering if you could tell me how well Pokemon Trainer fairs on Final D.

 

[Chuckles_KSU]

PT fares... Alright, in my experience, though it's far from my favorite stage to play on. Against particularly campy characters, Charizard, being the giant target that he is, get's knocked about pretty bad. And without platforms, Squirtle's air game and to a small extent, Ivysaur's anti-air game tend to lose effectiveness.

Only time I ever want to pick it is against Ness, thanks to Charizard's CG (And I think Squirtle has a legit one as well.), but I think against most other characters, there are certaintlly better places to be fighting.

 

[Steeler]

i pick it against MK.

 

[Zigsta]

I hate FD and almost always ban it.

 

[T-block]

I would ban FD against Marth, Diddy, Falco, ICs. Anyone else and you probably have better ban choices =\

I'd CP it against MK and Ness...possibly Kirby as well. All in all, it's not PT's best, but against some characters it might be a good choice.

 

[Zigsta]

I would ban FD against Marth, Diddy, Falco, ICs. Anyone else and you probably have better ban choices =\

I'd also ban it against Samus, Lucario, and usually Toon Link. Projectile spam is annoying. XD I'd take a stage with some platforms any day against those characters.

 

[T-block]

Samus and TL make sense, although I usually ban Yoshi's against projectile spam characters. I think it's a lot easier to approach them on FD than it is on Yoshi's, but that's probably just me xP

I ban Frigate against Lucario though. That stage is pretty **** for him.

 

[The Nameless Wanderer]

Just wondering what do you guys do against Yoshi?

got ***** by one D:.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Use Squirtle, outspace him with your B-Air. Watch out of N-Air and try to keep him on his toes. Learn how to grab break efficiently.

With Ivysaur, make sure he can't get in from the air by using your B-Air, Up-B, and keeping in motion. Watch out for dash attacks; don't get put above him.

 

[Zigsta]

Yoshi has a pretty solid advantage against us, Nameless. It's a rather tricky MU. :/

I prefer starting Ivysaur, easily. He does a good job of keeping Yoshi away so you don't get grabbed, like Reflex said prior. He can also easily use Vine Whip to grab the ledge if you get grab released to spiked at low to mid-ish percents.

I go back and forth over Charizard and Squirtle. Charizard doesn't die as easily, but he's stupid easy to get combo'd by Yoshi. Squirtle, on the other hand, is much better at keeping away, but he dies much lower if you mess up and get grabbed.

Out of curiosity, was it YOSH or Poltergust you played?

 

[The Nameless Wanderer]

It was YOSH.

2 stocked and 3 stocked me after in pools :/

 

[Rekeah]

so i have a question that most of you guys probably wouldn't want to answer for whatever reason...

who is the best pokemon from pkt?
or better yet, who is the most CONSISTENT pokemon from pkt?

(i already looked at most of the threads here and i couldnt find a direct answer)

also, can you guys give me explanations for whoever you choose to be the best pokemon?
me and my friend are arguing between squirtle and charizard.

 

[Kith]

I think you'd find most people here agree that Squirtle is the most consistent Pokemon. He would be high tier if he were alone, due to his mobility, quick attacks, and kill potential.

 

[Steeler]

squirtle is most consistent, ivysaur and zard are just too slow and limited (serious blindspots) in too many matchups

 

[MaTA]

F that. Charizard is fast as hell.

 

[Magik0722]

yeah charizard is the fastest pokemon

hes also the best one.

 

[Kith]

Charizard can be played with a really fast playstyle, auto cancelling most of his aerials and stuff, but he really doesn't have Squirtle's Aerial mobility.

 

[Magik0722]

Squirtle doesnt have good aerial mobilty, what are you talking about?

 

[Kith]

Lol you're right, he's a turtle...what was I thinking.

 

[Toby.]

Charizard's ATTACKS are slow as ****.

Look at the frame data for gods sake.

And don't forget to factor in jump frames when you have a look...not that anyone will bother.

 

[Kith]

I'm pretty sure magik was being sarcastic Toby.

 

[Magik0722]

trades startup lag for range, its a much better trade off

 

[TheReflexWonder]

trades startup lag for range, its a much better trade off

I disrespectfully disagree.

YOU ARE SO WRONG >:o