Beating MK's Tornado while on the Ledge safely.

[_Kadaj_]

Ok so I guess I'm being a bit generous here lol

I've decided to try and help out a bit more around the boards.

As most of you know there is probably no other place to be in the MU that is worst then being stuck on the ledge.

What makes it even worse is when MK's decide to nado over the ledge to potentiallly pull you off of the ledge with relative ease.

The perfect way to beat out MK's nado while being bound to the ledge is to Ledge Drop and Dancing Blade 1 towards the stage.

This is very similar to Ledge Drop Fair but the pluses to this is that it OUTRANGES Fair, and it can also combo into a second jump up air if you hit their Tornado at certain heights.

Some things to take note of with this technique.
1. When done properly you will still be glowing with invincibility frames.

2. If an opponent were to block the Ledge Drop DB1 you will have more than enough time to use your second jump to safely regrab the ledge.

3. If in the event an opponent were to run off the stage after blocking the Ledge Drop DB1 you will ALWAYS have enough time to second jump up air to hit them or cause enough shield stun in order for you to regrab the ledge with an Up B uninterrupted.

4. If an Mk were to try and Up B OoS or to just attempt a grounded Shuttle loop Marth will still be safe, as he is invincible at the beginning of the Ledge Drop DB1

I have also tested this out 2-3 weeks prior to posting this and I have already told a few other players before making this thread. Even if an opponent were to Perfect Shield it they won't have enough time to run off and hit you. As a matter of fact they won't even have enough time get off stage in the event that they did block it lol

I may make some more threads/contribute to other things such as mu's and stuff. But enjoy these for now I guess.

 

[Remzi]

Never thought of that, good idea! I'll definitely give it a try next time I play a MK.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Thanks man, I'd figure If I put a little more effort in to help out more people would do the same

 

[Enzo]

Again great stuff great stuff kadaj

 

[_Kadaj_]

Thanks BLM, out of curiousity you aren't Omega Black Mage are you?

 

[Enzo]

Nope, i was philanator2 back

 

[_Kadaj_]

oh ok then lol

 

[Ced5000]

Nice find never could stop mk from nadoing me off the ledge, and do u think this technique is useful in other match ups to get off the ledge I could see the invincibility being a big plus to getting off ledge.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Yeah it can be pretty good in other MUs as well

 

[Shaya]

The tornado thing is what plagued me for so long after my trip to the states (because of m2k).

However in my recent playing of him.... all I would do would do > ledge drop dolphin slash (weak hit) that would then combo into an uair/fair/another dolphin slash. (Tornado would hit you to cancel it).

 

[_Kadaj_]

That's pretty good as well Shaya, but idk the damage trade

 

[-Cross-]

The damage taken is minimal though. In fact, Shaya's method is the best imo, given the fact that you can combo after it. Btw other options that beat MK's tornado above you is ledge jumping DB1. I think it has to be below 100% or else you don't get enough invincibility frames, and also you have to do it asap to get the max invincible frames. Going off of that you could technically do DS and counter, and in order to hit MK out of tornado with an aerial is that you have to hit his hurtbox during your first few frames of invincibility, but the chance of clashing is high, so it's not worth it.

DS or DB1 ftw!

 

[_Kadaj_]

Before going off on tangents, Keep in mind this is the SAFEST way to do it. No risk is worth the reward when there is a huge margin for error like the other methods

 

[iamjason8]

WOW! That actually worked out really well for me!

Thanks! ^^

 

[Albert.]

I must not be understanding something about this... how does DB1 outrange Fair?

 

[_Kadaj_]

Try it, it's pretty self-explanatory.

 

[Pierce7d]

Good **** Kadaj. Even I did not know of this

 

[_Kadaj_]

Thanks Pierce

 

[Blacknight99923]

Good **** Kadaj. Even I did not know of this

I tried to tell you about something along the lines of this in the BBR chat :/ . Kadaj expanded on what I told him and created this (all of this is his credit) but NOOOO you and the rest of the chat had to LAUGH at me......instead of considering what I had to say and expanding on it and creating something useful like kadaj did......
Just sayin

<3 BBR
Kadaj did not post this on japanese boards iirc

 

[Pierce7d]

I tried to tell you about something along the lines of this in the BBR chat :/ . Kadaj expanded on what I told him and created this (all of this is his credit) but NOOOO you and the rest of the chat had to LAUGH at me......instead of considering what I had to say and expanding on it and creating something useful like kadaj did......
Just sayin

<3 BBR
Kadaj did not post this on japanese boards iirc

I did not laugh at you, I said that I did not understand the way you were describing it.

Also, DB1 from the ledge is still inferior to Fair EXCEPT to beat Tornado.

 

[Freezewish]

I did not laugh at you, I said that I did not understand the way you were describing it.

Also, DB1 from the ledge is still inferior to Fair EXCEPT to beat Tornado.

You still think so even though Db1 outranges fair, doesnt require you to DS back to the ledge and has follow up possiblities?

 

[**Havok**]

When Kadaj showed me this legit *** strat, we both facepalmed.

It took us how long to figure this out????



<3 kadaj

 

[Pierce7d]

Uh, yes, because it generates enough shield hitstun to easily regrab the ledge, and deals much more damage, and actually knocks your opponent away so you can come back onstage.

 

[Shaya]

Without a power shield, you can't grab the ledge off of Marth from a planking fair anyway.
DB1 you're likely to be having your head poked upwards and just doesn't produce enough shield stun at all.

 

[Pierce7d]

In case you were unaware, you are agreeing with me Shaya.

 

[Blacknight99923]

Without a power shield, you can't grab the ledge off of Marth from a planking fair anyway.
DB1 you're likely to be having your head poked upwards and just doesn't produce enough shield stun at all.

so you being below the stage has your head poked upwards?

did you even try this?

 

[_Kadaj_]

Actually your invincible when doing this and you can't be hit. Also if they were to shield you have enough time to react to anything they do. I believe I explained it better in the first post.


And haha <3 Havok

 

[Pierce7d]

i haven't tested, but my point is that fair is mostly a better tool for standard purposes. Of course, i'm not at all trying discredit this amazing tactic, especially for beating nado

 

[_Kadaj_]

Yeah I know what you mean Pierce, I just wanted to clarify to others a bit.

I agree it's best use against MK on the ledge, it can also be a decent mix-up vs other characters but it's main use is primarily for MK

 

[PEACE7]

Good stuff Kadaj.