BC Melee Rankings: Late Fall 2012

[Dynamism?]

???
Sorry, I didn't mean to say ANYTHING that would even imply anything like that...
What did I say that sounded that way?
Do you mean just how I like... put every point out there again? I figured you knew all that, I was just putting it out there again. If that was what you're talking about...?
:{

So you disagree, we know that much. But what said do you disagree with? Aside from the obvious. (who > who type of thing)

Reasons for why you think who > who is more reasonable than why they think a different who > who is what matters.
We could all say the weather will be different tomorrow but if there's no reasoning why people think differently, it's all just random and might as well do a random draw lol
A reason would be a good start :\

You know that already though so nvm >_>

 

[Harrisburg]

lol i dnno, its just how you say things. sorry if i sounded harsh and was like attacking you. lol.

i dont mean it. sometimes how i say things come across like that. so sorry :]

 

[Sion]

lol i dnno, its just how you say things. sorry if i sounded harsh and was like attacking you. lol.

i dont mean it. sometimes how i say things come across like that. so sorry :]

lol so bipolar

 

[Yakal]

maaad bipolar

 

[Harrisburg]

**** you ****ers **** **** ****

***********************************wo

 

[Yakal]

no jones cowburg

 

[Harrisburg]

i love you cutiebug

 

[Rusty Shacklefurd]

You all suck and I hate you. By which I mean you're all pretty cool and I just disagree with some of you on a couple things.
EDIT: Hot ****! I didn't even realize my rank was smash ace! I'm so awesome now!

 

[Yakal]

i'm pranked lol gg no re

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

i was referring to the 'viets banding together'

me n eric are on our own PR

oh snap son!

lol sorry guys I was feeling emo yesterday..

anyway yea lets get this done.... who's going to Tourney Play 3 next weekend?

I am

my list remains the same, quit ur biching and crying

how can u update it when panelists are split between the decision? this isnt a democracy where u can vote and think it means something lol @ dynamism

get that **** outta here tripple post bayum

LOL @ "triple post bayum"

btw anyone up for a smashfest at my house next sat? Come anytime n the morning, must leave by 10 pm. Recording...... might be done, my old comp died so im getting all that stuff fixed.

Im in.

Just update allready people. Suck it up for a few months and train harder to make it more obvious who is in which spot. TRAIN HARDER!!!

 

[Yakal]

yes just update

going to wait until next season to update? wtf no just update lol

eric
manuel
tony

gggggggggg

 

[Harrisburg]

lol cant say, just update it.

 

[DF2K]

I deserve 1st.

 

[Patooty]

Yeah guys, honestly...

Just update it

With what?
Good on Manuel for not folding to the pressure. How can you update with such disagreement.


Also, since some people like putting words in other people's mouths...

No matter how badly Eric did at that tournament, it can be discounted. However if he did good, it would be used as supporting evidence for 1st.

No matter how badly Eric did at that tournament, it can be discounted. However if he did good, it would be used as supporting evidence for 1st.

lol sry guys, im not in a good mindset to be posting right now, but i already typed taht much up, so that is all.......


afk

 

[Dynamism?]

lol tiep
If that's what you got from what I said, (or manuel, I don't even think he mentioned that lol) you need to read it again.
Eric did bad at the tournament, that's the reason he would even be winked at as 'not first'. No johns to him, he lost.
What you seem blind to is that Tony doesn't get johns for his losses either. He lost, just like Eric did.
Then take the REST of it into acount, more losses for Tony, and wins for Eric.

Quote from me - "Tony losing to john and manuel not being significant and Eric having one bad tournament being so impactful on the PR is a little scewed..."

They both factor into as they're both the results of their performances. They both lost. Sure, some people think Eric/Tony are better than the people they beat/each other, that doesn't change anything.

They BOTH lost. Not ONE of them...
But ONE of them has better results in the last 4/5 tourneys then the other. You can guess who...

That's all anyone ever said :\



lol ryan
bipolarmindgramez
I don't take anything offensive so don't worry about that for me. Especially when I know everything I said is valid/true, and I would assume you wouldn't mean to be offensive even if it did sound that way.
I'll try sounding nicer myself for you though. :]

Hope that didn't sound mean btw tiep lol

Edit: btw, nobody put any words in anyone's mouth
until you :O

 

[LiStme]

Hey Kenny, I am coming to your house next Saturday. See you there = ).

 

[Diakonos]

I'm not going to update irrationally.

Dieslow has made it clear he isn't willing to use tournament results to break the stalemate and move forwards.

Is that true for you as well, Tiep?

 

[DF2K]

Hey James how's it going?

PS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHGidlPeXo&feature=player_embedded

 

[Dynamism?]

lol kris the medley from Brawl with words is what I wanna hear
*isn't a fan of rap without rythm*

dee eff tooooooo KAY!!!

for 1st

 

[DF2K]

1st

I love this man's logic. Me for 1st.

 

[Dynamism?]

It's not logic, it's truthiness!

That setence is full of it too!

 

[Lib3r4t3]

Yeah man, you should see his hair.

 

[DF2K]

It looks a lot like Peach's color wise.

How many players' hair resemble Falco's (given that there's about a million in BC)?

 

[Diakonos]

Guys, please leave casual talk to the BC thread. I'm waiting for Tiep's response.

 

[victra♥]

Listen to your father or I'm turning this car around!

 

[Patooty]

Try'na trap me with this language game...... I hope to not turn this into politics sheit mang.


What were the last 4 tournaments?

1. Eric's
2. John's (Was supposed to be at Eric's)
3. ?
4. ?

I don't count jimz. I can't put heavy emphasis on tournaments I'm not at. (WA). So what should I use for 3 and 4?

 

[Hitsugaya]

Zhu's should definately be one.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

How about GENESIS, should that not count at all? lawlz

I'll say it again, eric took a match off M2K and took 3 shiz stocks whereas shiz only took 2 off eric in crews. Eric was 4 stocking good players like lovage and tang, he 3 stocked dark rain in a friendly too. I feel most of you aren't taking ANY of that into account. OOS national tournaments should count for more than anything. >_>

 

[Dynamism?]

OOS national tournaments are THE most important thing (by far)

Isn't that the goal of a good smasher to begin with? To do well on a LARGE scale? Not just their home town? lol
(TP3/Genesis/other WA >>> ALLLL of Van stuff)

Tiep - if you don't want to count tournaments that only 1 of them attended, that could date back like 4 'seasons' lol. It might not at the moment (it might ionno) but it'll no doubt be problems (recency/variaty/w/e) if you 'choose' your tournament base that way.


It's already mid-October...half way through fall.
Soon you might as well wait for winter (December?) to update the winter PR lol.

 

[Patooty]

1. Eric did well against a bunch of good players.
2. He goes back to Vancouver and plays a bunch of local players.
3. Local players see the level he is at.


That is how things should be deduced. He shouldn't ascend to God-Level for doing good against players that no local players have played. It's very difficult to extract how well he does somewhere else and say he's the best because of it.


Also, I never said I wasn't willing to take those tournaments into account. I'm just saying it's not possible for me to put as much emphasis on those tournaments as you would like me to. I also asked what tournaments 3 and 4 SHOULD be. I didn't say anything about not counting OOS.

It's already mid-October...half way through fall.

edit: fall began approximately 3 weeks ago. Winter is approximately 10 weeks away.
We are about 3/13 of the way through fall. Exaggerate much?

 

[Yakal]

tiep knows his **** on seasons

 

[Dynamism?]

lol my bad (is still edmontonian at heart/aka fall starts early sept lol) no johns mez

*thumbs up to tiep*

Hope you guys come to a conclusion/solution soon and peacefully...

I'd like to know what the update is but I'm really not that interested in the process but I hope I at least helped the process or something a bit in my roaming and waiting for the result...hopefully LOL

I'll just ask someone on msn or something occasionally to get an update on the update. :D

But of luck nubs, I'm gone see you all in May blah blah blah maybe pound4 blah blah blah blah

Edit/PS: happy thanks giving :D

 

[SpaceFalcon]

lol my bad (is still edmontonian at heart/aka fall starts early sept lol) no johns mez

*thumbs up to tiep*

Hope you guys come to a conclusion/solution soon and peacefully...

I'd like to know what the update is but I'm really not that interested in the process but I hope I at least helped the process or something a bit in my roaming and waiting for the result...hopefully LOL

I'll just ask someone on msn or something occasionally to get an update on the update. :D

But of luck nubs, I'm gone see you all in May blah blah blah maybe pound4 blah blah blah blah

Edit/PS: happy thanks giving :D

That's a long time dude =(

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

1. Eric did well against a bunch of good players.
2. He goes back to Vancouver and plays a bunch of local players.
3. Local players see the level he is at.


That is how things should be deduced. He shouldn't ascend to God-Level for doing good against players that no local players have played. It's very difficult to extract how well he does somewhere else and say he's the best because of it.


Also, I never said I wasn't willing to take those tournaments into account. I'm just saying it's not possible for me to put as much emphasis on those tournaments as you would like me to. I also asked what tournaments 3 and 4 SHOULD be. I didn't say anything about not counting OOS.



edit: fall began approximately 3 weeks ago. Winter is approximately 10 weeks away.
We are about 3/13 of the way through fall. Exaggerate much?

When he came back he swept the competition in BC, taking 1st. Just say'n.

Anyways, Tourneyplay 3 is this weekend. Hopefully we can get some BC rep moreso the top 3 so we can better determine what the top 3 spots are.

Also, "Eric did well against a bunch of good players" is an understatement. M2K, Darkrain, and Shiz would be considered "GREAT" players.

 

[Patooty]

If BC really was swept, I think this would be a non-issue.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

If BC really was swept, I think this would be a non-issue.

word, it happend.

 

[Patooty]

...Name those sweeps?

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

...Name those sweeps?

Eric said he beat everyone handily his first tournament back after GENESIS. I wasn't there, nor have I seen any tournament results.

 

[Hitsugaya]

Eric said he beat everyone handily his first tournament back after GENESIS. I wasn't there, nor have I seen any tournament results.

Wasn't this Jimz?
If I recall since Genesis there has been 2 tourneys Jimz and Eric's house.

 

[Diakonos]

Try'na trap me with this language game...... I hope to not turn this into politics sheit mang.


What were the last 4 tournaments?

1. Eric's
2. John's (Was supposed to be at Eric's)
3. ?
4. ?

I don't count jimz. I can't put heavy emphasis on tournaments I'm not at. (WA). So what should I use for 3 and 4?

1. Eric's
[Washington]
[Genesis]
2. John's, sposda be at Eric's
3. Zhu
4. SFU - the one where we did crews at the end. This was a LONG time ago though, I don't remember if there were any between Zhu and SFU.

That being said,
1. Eric's

*I won, beating Tony, Tony , Tiep, Ryan, John, Evan
* Tony came second, losing only to me twice, beating Ryan, Tiep, and Eric
* Eric lost to John and Tony (I think everyone saw these matches)

I know it's not ideal to use tournaments that not everyone attended, but it is illogical to discredit them altogether. For example, if Eric had gone to Genesis and 4stocked everyone no problem, you wouldn't be saying "o ya well tony and manuel wurnt there". A bit of an extreme case, yes, but it serves to show that perforrmance is still to be valued, whether or not other players were there. This was a HUGE tournament, and he was BC's rep. He took 17th, worldwide. He did very well in crews, even against Armada after he had just savaged Kage and beaten Vwins.

Could Tony have done as well? Maybe-- but all this is now speculation. We can't know. What we do know is that Eric performed, and that says something about his talent.

The same is true of the Washington tournament, albeit to a lesser scale, because the same type of names weren't there. Still, he performed well there against an on-his-game Eggz who beat out SW. This isn't concrete evidence that Eric> Manuel and Tony in terms of tournament performance, but it helps put things in perspective on a bigger scale.

2. John's (sposda be at Eric's)

* Eric beat me in winners, sent me to losers'.
* Eric beat Tony, sent him to losers'.
* I beat Tony, took him out of the tournament.
* Eric beat me in grand finals, though I have (I gotta get outta here) johns.

This is pretty self explanatory.

3. Zhu's tournament

* Eric beats Tony in winners'.
* Eric loses to Zhu.
* Tony beats Eric in losers'.
* Tony loses to Zhu.
* Manuel comes closest to beating Zhu, but is an idiot who kills himself.

What does this tournament tell us? Falcos are meant to be played in dittos. Performance here was quite comparable, I recall Tony doing a little bit better than Eric against Zhu, and I in return did better than Tony.

4. SFU (I'm sorry if there was a tournament later than this, I can't remember)

* Eric sends me to losers' aghh
* Eric takes me out of losers' aghh
* Tony beat Eric, twice I think
* Viets lost crew money match, including me beating Tony

You see, the trend is that Tony was doing better in tournaments farther back-- SFU and Zhu's (and even at Zhu's, it was only slightly better). Just before and after Genesis, it would appear Eric picked it up and since then he was doing well. This is NOT including Jims, where Eric took first and Tony took 3rd after losing to John and his falcon.

Let me give my interpretation of these tournaments, then.

1. Eric's recent tournament
=> Manuel performed best. Tony performed 2nd best.

2. John's tournament, supposed to be Eric's
=> Eric performed best, didn't lose a set. Manuel performed 2nd best.

3. Zhu's tournament
=> In terms of who they won to and lost to, Eric and Tony performed the best. If we want to say that Tony did better against Zhu than Eric did, we also have to say that I did better than both of them. This tournament is a bit of a toss up-- it shows how close we are.

4. SFU
=> Tony performed best. Eric performed 2nd best.

So to me, it would seem as though Eric has been performing the best in tournaments. My track record has also been cleaner than Tony's recently too. I think we are all just stigmatized by Tony's aggressive playstyle and confidence.

Let me know any agreements or disagreements.