Patooty
Smash Ace
So you presented that Tony outperformed Eric at tournaments 1, 3, and 4.
...are you arguing FOR me?
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BC Melee Rankings: Late Fall 2012
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So you presented that Tony outperformed Eric at tournaments 1, 3, and 4.
...are you arguing FOR me?
Hitsugaya
Smash Ace
If your counting that SFU from that long ago didnt they do a $100 MM sometime around there? I wasn't at the smashfest and I dont know who won but I do recall someone mentioning it to me around that time.
dieslow
Smash Ace
at zhus tourney i did better against him than u did manuel, are u kidding me? our set was 3-2, plus i remember him wrecking u in that MM u stalled the tourney to have adam commentate on (lol i wnated to finish ASAP) Pretty sure u got 3stocked multiple times. U should ask Zhu himself who he thinks is the overall better player.
U also forgot to mention u lost to ryan there, who i beat.
JIMz tourney should count for very little if anything at all. sounds like a big john but i guarantee u Johns falcon will not beat my fox in a set on a normal TV, especially if i have my real controller (stiff *** joystick johns). Ask Ryan or anyone who plays fox. it just didnt work the same.
U are also forgetting to look at HOW someone wins. Tiep had u struggling hard at the recent tourney, i dont remmeber the score between u guys, but against me I went 3-0 pretty soundly. Also evan does fairly well against u too, bringing it real close when i was watching.
I agree eric @ genesis and WA should not be discredited, but it's sad to say it holds less value if u and I weren't there, evne though it shouldn't be that way. He did well against shiz and stuff, but thats not to say we wouldn't have been able to. U did the same thing when u beat Kage + Eggz @ CAST claiming I wouldn't be able to do the same. Then comes tourneyplay and shizzam i did it too. Just playing eric I can tell he did improve, but i dont think he shot past us in skill like Adams claiming.
i think tiep said something like this earlier, but IMO it should be measured like
How U win > who u beat > how consistently u do it
so say Roby extreme usually takes u down to 1 stock in tourney matches while i usually win by 2, that should definitely be accounted for. Hard to do without Jack's stats though, but let's just be honest with ourselves.
"So you presented that Tony outperformed Eric at tournaments 1, 3, and 4.
...are you arguing FOR me? " -Tiep
pretty much blew up in ur face htere. Thanks for showing that I performed the best in most of the tournaments. U are also missing out on all the SFU smashfests way back that i dominated if ur gonna start counting them.
I still think i gave u that win in that 2nd set on Yoshis. Set was 2-1 for me then on yoshis i had 2 stocks while u had 1 and I taunted, u capitalized and 0-deathed me to bring it even 1 stock each, then u get a gimp and win. w/e though, i'll just show u wassap next time we play, expect me to be evne more aggro Lol.
U also forgot to mention u lost to ryan there, who i beat.
JIMz tourney should count for very little if anything at all. sounds like a big john but i guarantee u Johns falcon will not beat my fox in a set on a normal TV, especially if i have my real controller (stiff *** joystick johns). Ask Ryan or anyone who plays fox. it just didnt work the same.
U are also forgetting to look at HOW someone wins. Tiep had u struggling hard at the recent tourney, i dont remmeber the score between u guys, but against me I went 3-0 pretty soundly. Also evan does fairly well against u too, bringing it real close when i was watching.
I agree eric @ genesis and WA should not be discredited, but it's sad to say it holds less value if u and I weren't there, evne though it shouldn't be that way. He did well against shiz and stuff, but thats not to say we wouldn't have been able to. U did the same thing when u beat Kage + Eggz @ CAST claiming I wouldn't be able to do the same. Then comes tourneyplay and shizzam i did it too. Just playing eric I can tell he did improve, but i dont think he shot past us in skill like Adams claiming.
i think tiep said something like this earlier, but IMO it should be measured like
How U win > who u beat > how consistently u do it
so say Roby extreme usually takes u down to 1 stock in tourney matches while i usually win by 2, that should definitely be accounted for. Hard to do without Jack's stats though, but let's just be honest with ourselves.
"So you presented that Tony outperformed Eric at tournaments 1, 3, and 4.
...are you arguing FOR me? " -Tiep
pretty much blew up in ur face htere. Thanks for showing that I performed the best in most of the tournaments. U are also missing out on all the SFU smashfests way back that i dominated if ur gonna start counting them.
I still think i gave u that win in that 2nd set on Yoshis. Set was 2-1 for me then on yoshis i had 2 stocks while u had 1 and I taunted, u capitalized and 0-deathed me to bring it even 1 stock each, then u get a gimp and win. w/e though, i'll just show u wassap next time we play, expect me to be evne more aggro Lol.
Eggz
Smash Hero
tony 4 life
dieslow
Smash Ace
the matches u had against tiep also were like 1 stock mid-high %, while mine were 2stock low % and 1 3 stock on brinstar. thats probably a big factor in why tiep thinks me > u.
he played us both not too far apart in the same tourney. only differnece was between u two it was still anybody's game, but between him and I i breezed through. /cocky
he played us both not too far apart in the same tourney. only differnece was between u two it was still anybody's game, but between him and I i breezed through. /cocky
dieslow
Smash Ace
lol pretty sure eggz just searches his name into smashboards to find out if anyones ninja talking about him LOL (Y)
edit: i do it too
edit: i do it too
Patooty
Smash Ace
just FYI Tony, I didn't put you higher based on who does better against me. You played me for hours the night before and figured me out -____- IMO Peach can't adapt as well as Fox/Falco/Marth.
There's still a hole in my game I know how to fill though, so we'll see what happens after that
There's still a hole in my game I know how to fill though, so we'll see what happens after that
Eggz
Smash Hero
Supertramp
Smash Cadet
just read the past 23 pages of this thread over the last few hours instead of doing my hmwk, seriously ****ed **** going on here.
can't have the top 3 (except eric now) argueing while having completely different opinions. just doesn't work. dieslow is obviously right that this isn't democratic though.
there isn't even agreement on tournament results, which should be set in stone. ridic ****
imo this isn't going to be sorted out without some type of decisive matches played by the top three. if this were to happen it would have to take place spread out over several meetings where all three would be in attendance, so johns and day-by-day performance would be minimized
if more smash elite came through bc and played the top three then their opinions would be mad helpful. but this just is not going to happen, so I suggest the above method. bored and just trying to help
Marshall
can't have the top 3 (except eric now) argueing while having completely different opinions. just doesn't work. dieslow is obviously right that this isn't democratic though.
there isn't even agreement on tournament results, which should be set in stone. ridic ****
imo this isn't going to be sorted out without some type of decisive matches played by the top three. if this were to happen it would have to take place spread out over several meetings where all three would be in attendance, so johns and day-by-day performance would be minimized
if more smash elite came through bc and played the top three then their opinions would be mad helpful. but this just is not going to happen, so I suggest the above method. bored and just trying to help
Marshall
dieslow
Smash Ace
thats a good idea, except manuel is scared to MM me. tell them manuel.
and nobody should take this stuff to heart cause all it is doing is making BC more competitive + more gewder. so no QQing/emoing
and nobody should take this stuff to heart cause all it is doing is making BC more competitive + more gewder. so no QQing/emoing
xXx-NoobKing-xXx
Smash Hero
I love it. BC is so good! <3
Tony, come to TP3 this weekend. Tim is driving down there and there's still 1 more spot left in the car. If you AND Eric came it would help things out in terms of figuring this out. Also, maybe you can get your money from shane, XD.
So far in the car is AJ, Tim, Eric, and myself.
Tony, come to TP3 this weekend. Tim is driving down there and there's still 1 more spot left in the car. If you AND Eric came it would help things out in terms of figuring this out. Also, maybe you can get your money from shane, XD.
So far in the car is AJ, Tim, Eric, and myself.
Yakal
Torquasm-Rao
tony in the trunk
Sion
Island of Horizon
Patooty
Smash Ace
lol Manuel posting Tony-style...
only thing is I don't know if he's serious.
only thing is I don't know if he's serious.
Yakal
Torquasm-Rao
manbabies do it
Blunted_object10
Smash Master
He's serious.. I was with him when he posted that.. LOL
Get@Will
Smash Champion
Things just got serious.
Supertramp
Smash Cadet
****s ****ed
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Dynamism?
Smash Champion
VICTRA I HATE YOU
I can't say GG no re anymore!
Everytime I say it, I go GEE GEE GEE GEE BABY BABY BABY
lol
It lasted a few days but it's over now.
hahahaha
PS: Best PR EVER
Oh **** that aint Vic
Edit: Just came by to see SWs new vid that I heard was good. Zhalgandi or whatever...
****s tight
k now I'm gone
Get this PR **** recorded I'm stokethithed to watchethith
hahahahahahahahaha. This is your best post ever James. Ever. Like, I am dieing from laughter right now.VICTRA I HATE YOU
I can't say GG no re anymore!
Everytime I say it, I go GEE GEE GEE GEE BABY BABY BABY
lol
It lasted a few days but it's over now.
hahahaha
PS: Best PR EVER
Oh **** that aint Vic
XDD That happened to me too btw. xDD <3
Will + Victra team wombo combo: the taeyeon special
Get@Will
Smash Champion
Ain't no DI getting you out of this one.
Hitsugaya
Smash Ace
Dang BC just got so gay.
Hopefully you guys get it settled sooner then later cause I can already tell Manuel is getting a bit of stress from this.
Hopefully you guys get it settled sooner then later cause I can already tell Manuel is getting a bit of stress from this.
Patooty
Smash Ace
I thought that I was still arguing pretty logically, and went unanswered...
This PR battle should be just as invalid as Manuel thought that it should've been before. Like, what changed? lol. How can he think it's logical where:
Winner > Eric
Loser < Eric
...
So I thought he was joking.
But which would've meant he posted without "saying" anything.
...
So I got confused...
This PR battle should be just as invalid as Manuel thought that it should've been before. Like, what changed? lol. How can he think it's logical where:
Winner > Eric
Loser < Eric
...
So I thought he was joking.
But which would've meant he posted without "saying" anything.
...
So I got confused...
dieslow
Smash Ace
LOL. screw the PR, do a $50 MM with me and I'll auto-agree to watevadafak list u want.
and wtflol @ this guy. are u seriously making demands for a MM? get that **** outta here.
dieslow
Smash Ace
oh btw bish
GOT BALLZ?
GOT BALLZ?
dieslow
Smash Ace
re-raise me pls
*(btw eric ill give u the winnings! boo him while he plays)
*(btw eric ill give u the winnings! boo him while he plays)
Yakal
Torquasm-Rao
LMFAO
Tony pre-mindgamez
Tony pre-mindgamez
Logic doesn't matter in the PR thread. What you chose to respond to was utterly selective, and I think it's easier this way. Tony posting is easy lol. If no one has any complaints, I'd love to take Tony's money.
Demands? What's so bad about being able to watch myself destroy you on youtube any day I want? With Adam laughing in the background?
I feeling like putting $50 on the line is border-line gambling. I play moneymatches to add pressure, not to bet money. I don't think it's being a good steward of my money (or yours) in the very off chance that I lose. Next time I need more money though I'll let you know.
Patooty
Smash Ace
What do you mean? Do you mean this?
Anyway, it seems like you're having some kind of breakdown, or just making a lame attempt to fight fire with fire.
Come back when you're finished.
Your argument was that tournament results should be the deciding factor to break the stalemate. You then presented that Tony outperformed Eric in 3/4 tournaments. I saw nothing more to say, you destroyed your own argument, I just needed to point that out.So you presented that Tony outperformed Eric at tournaments 1, 3, and 4.
...are you arguing FOR me?
Anyway, it seems like you're having some kind of breakdown, or just making a lame attempt to fight fire with fire.
Come back when you're finished.
DF2K
Smash Journeyman
What is the logic behind power rankings in general?
PS: e-peen does not constitute logic, it only constitutes that you're a tool.
PS: e-peen does not constitute logic, it only constitutes that you're a tool.
Tiep, I don't like that attitude.
Read the whole post. You completely disregarded what I mentioned about Genesis and WA. You disregarded what I said about everything else. Anyone can pick and choose which fights they want to take and make it seem as though they have it all figured out. I'm not arguing "for" anyone. This is something you've yet to realize. I'm arguing "for" whoever has performed best overall, with emphasis on the more recent tournament (this you also didn't care to address). I hardly feel you are arguing (or at least trying to) from an objective point of view. This in itself frustrates me. I never set up an Eric vs. Tony dichotomy. Frankly, I feel I'm better than them both, but I feel as though Eric has performed best.
Using the same simplistic evaluation you did for that post, I performed better than Tony at 2/4 tournaments, and in fact, the two most recent ones. Therefore I'm first, right? I don't see you pointing that out, though.
I'm far from having a breakdown, I can't imagine what you mean. Apparently only certain people are allowed to make dumb, illogical posts without eyebrows being raised. That in itself says a lot.
wer u at tony, lose to marth more *****, learn to beat me. Have you noticed that you haven't beat me in singles in months and months (like before summer)? Not even in crew battles.
Read the whole post. You completely disregarded what I mentioned about Genesis and WA. You disregarded what I said about everything else. Anyone can pick and choose which fights they want to take and make it seem as though they have it all figured out. I'm not arguing "for" anyone. This is something you've yet to realize. I'm arguing "for" whoever has performed best overall, with emphasis on the more recent tournament (this you also didn't care to address). I hardly feel you are arguing (or at least trying to) from an objective point of view. This in itself frustrates me. I never set up an Eric vs. Tony dichotomy. Frankly, I feel I'm better than them both, but I feel as though Eric has performed best.
Using the same simplistic evaluation you did for that post, I performed better than Tony at 2/4 tournaments, and in fact, the two most recent ones. Therefore I'm first, right? I don't see you pointing that out, though.
I'm far from having a breakdown, I can't imagine what you mean. Apparently only certain people are allowed to make dumb, illogical posts without eyebrows being raised. That in itself says a lot.
wer u at tony, lose to marth more *****, learn to beat me. Have you noticed that you haven't beat me in singles in months and months (like before summer)? Not even in crew battles.
Blunted_object10
Smash Master
Oooooooooooooo Shieet!!!! Manuel Is Just Bringing It To Tony!
dieslow
Smash Ace
Tiep:1
Manuel: 0
His post was destroyed so bad that he had to revert to mimicking me in attempt to divert the fact that he was peenowned.
MMing to add pressure and not to bet money is the lamest back down excuse evar. pretty sure this MM will never even happen, like the last 3-4 times i challenged u ~_~
NO BALLZ SON
Manuel: 0
His post was destroyed so bad that he had to revert to mimicking me in attempt to divert the fact that he was peenowned.
MMing to add pressure and not to bet money is the lamest back down excuse evar. pretty sure this MM will never even happen, like the last 3-4 times i challenged u ~_~
NO BALLZ SON
Patooty
Smash Ace
uhh.. sorry? You seemed to be acting way out of the normal, so I said what I said.
No hate. Really!
I got tired of saying the same things over and over again about Genesis and WA. About how much emphasis that I can reasonably put on them etc.. I even asked you which tournaments I SHOULD use to consider my decision. YOU gave me a list of tournaments to use. You listed them in "1, 2, 3, 4" format. Genesis and WA was not a part of this. Why would I need to address tournaments not being considered?
First, what is "everything else"? Also, I will address everything in this post, and you will quickly see how discussion becomes BLOATED. If you choose to do the same, and expect me to do the same, VERY quickly, we will have a thread that nobody wants to read, and that neither me nor you will want to reply to. We will be fighting over details, and the cause will be lost.
As I've said before, if there is an issue I ignore that you feel shouldn't be ignored, please raise it as an issue. I do not purposefully ignore key points.
I suggested that you were arguing for me because you destroyed your own argument.
Once again you contradict yourself. This time within two sentences of each other. Let me point this out.
Nit-picky?
What can I do to make me more objective? There was a stalemate. You tried to make me say something along the lines of "I'm not willing to break the stalemate." I gave into your demand (suggestion?) to use tournament results as the deciding factor. I gave you how I would analyze tournament results. I asked YOU which tournaments I should use given how I would analyze the results.
I don't disagree that there is some subjectivity involved. There should be.
I have nothing to say to this. I just now feel the need to acknowledge what I've read and that I've not deliberately skipped anything.
Your analysis of the tournament results for the tournaments to consider say differently.
You were not in consideration for first. Should you have been? Maybe. Maybe you should have presented that before. Right then I was trying to break the tie between Eric and Tony. Also, this means you admit Tony is outperforming Eric now?
You were acting quite out of character. It is odd when someone appears to not be themself. I theorized. That was not my only theory.
You are saying that you purposefully made dumb, illogical posts... I don't know what to say. Anybody is allowed to post anything. People will perceive it differently.
This was directed at Tony.
One final thing, if you reply in kind, I can tell you now in advanced that I probably won't have the time nor the desire to do the same again.
dieslow
Smash Ace
my 1 liners have made manuel go coocoo for cocopuffz
I'm in the same boat, I think. I have 2 labs tomorrow to prepare for, and a full lab report due.
Thanks for reading my post. The "contradiction" you pointed out is easily solved; I think you know that, too.
I'm not arguing "for" anyone [in particular, aka, Eric, myself, or Tony]. In that sense I'm only arguing "for" the person (whoever that may be) who has performed best in tournament. I offered my own interpretation of tournament results based on the whole win/lose, who they beat etc. criteria we agreed on earlier. I didn't receive that from you. You only took one interpretation (mine), changed it so it fit your interpretation (Tony did better at 3 of the 4 tournaments mentioned, not including the ones in bracket).
When you say I'm not (was not) in consideration for first, that only serves to substantiate the Tony-Eric dichotomy. You have nothing to say, but we also stayed quiet. If we agreed to break the stalemate using tournament results (between the top 3, as was suggested by me originally), then I'm there. And if we use ONLY those 4 tournaments, I believe that I have performed best, since the last two tournaments we're counting, I did better than Tony. Does that mean that I believe Eric performed worse than Tony overall? Nah. I'm still giving some weight to Genesis and WA, albeit not as much.
If Tony doesn't want to take my MM, or if the panelists don't agree to using that as a tiebreaker of sorts, then, using only the 4 tournaments above:
1. Manuel
2. Tony/Eric
3. Tony/Eric
It is still not clear about the last two because
in [Tournament #2] Eric took first quite handily. He beat me twice, I beat Tony and Tony took 3rd
in [Tournament #3] Tony only slightly did better; he did better against Zhu, and even in this tournament he had lost to Eric
in [Tournament #4] which happened wayyy back in may (read: 5 months ago or more), Tony beat Eric fair and square.
to give a 3-1 better performance by Tony is such a generalization and leaves out crucial details. Is it even WORTH considering a tournament that happened so long ago? Did we not agree that Eric has improved since Genesis? Isn't it too bad then, that we aren't considering TWO of the tournaments he's won, or placed second, since he's come back? The whole thing needs to be put in its context, and that's why it's contestable whether Eric or Tony did better.
See, I could write an entire explanation like that, or I could ninjapost and say something c0cky and and "nikkah" to the end.
EDIT:// tourneyplay is more recent than SFU, see later post. LOL.
Thanks for reading my post. The "contradiction" you pointed out is easily solved; I think you know that, too.
I'm not arguing "for" anyone [in particular, aka, Eric, myself, or Tony]. In that sense I'm only arguing "for" the person (whoever that may be) who has performed best in tournament. I offered my own interpretation of tournament results based on the whole win/lose, who they beat etc. criteria we agreed on earlier. I didn't receive that from you. You only took one interpretation (mine), changed it so it fit your interpretation (Tony did better at 3 of the 4 tournaments mentioned, not including the ones in bracket).
When you say I'm not (was not) in consideration for first, that only serves to substantiate the Tony-Eric dichotomy. You have nothing to say, but we also stayed quiet. If we agreed to break the stalemate using tournament results (between the top 3, as was suggested by me originally), then I'm there. And if we use ONLY those 4 tournaments, I believe that I have performed best, since the last two tournaments we're counting, I did better than Tony. Does that mean that I believe Eric performed worse than Tony overall? Nah. I'm still giving some weight to Genesis and WA, albeit not as much.
If Tony doesn't want to take my MM, or if the panelists don't agree to using that as a tiebreaker of sorts, then, using only the 4 tournaments above:
1. Manuel
2. Tony/Eric
3. Tony/Eric
It is still not clear about the last two because
in [Tournament #2] Eric took first quite handily. He beat me twice, I beat Tony and Tony took 3rd
in [Tournament #3] Tony only slightly did better; he did better against Zhu, and even in this tournament he had lost to Eric
in [Tournament #4] which happened wayyy back in may (read: 5 months ago or more), Tony beat Eric fair and square.
to give a 3-1 better performance by Tony is such a generalization and leaves out crucial details. Is it even WORTH considering a tournament that happened so long ago? Did we not agree that Eric has improved since Genesis? Isn't it too bad then, that we aren't considering TWO of the tournaments he's won, or placed second, since he's come back? The whole thing needs to be put in its context, and that's why it's contestable whether Eric or Tony did better.
See, I could write an entire explanation like that, or I could ninjapost and say something c0cky and and "nikkah" to the end.
EDIT:// tourneyplay is more recent than SFU, see later post. LOL.
Blunted_object10
Smash Master
I actually think Manuel should be first cause he ***** babies now and I don't know what to do against him.