CableCho57
Smash Lord
what time on sunday?
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ahchoomattchu
Smash Ace
Currently scheduled to be 7pm PST.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Nah, I'll send you a link that gets you into the league. Nothing else is required.
You might need a Yahoo email though. Not sure.
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
sounds good, i have a yahoo email anyway so were all set
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
Okc, spurs
CableCho57
Smash Lord
LAL eeeasy
season's already over
season's already over
Linguini
Smash Master
Heat got this. Our system is already in place, we know it works.
ray allen plus a slew of shooters on the perimeter this season makes us fullproof
ray allen plus a slew of shooters on the perimeter this season makes us fullproof
Nike.
Smash Hero
I have been off the grid for almost 2 weeks (no internet/phone). Apologies to everyone about not setting up the league before that happened.
I understand that bored created a league and that you guys already had a draft. Is there still any chance I could join and just have a premade team (something like that) from the auto pick thing? Or am I too late?
I understand that bored created a league and that you guys already had a draft. Is there still any chance I could join and just have a premade team (something like that) from the auto pick thing? Or am I too late?
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
no draft yet, its on sunday, iirc we only have 7 teams so itd be great if you make it 8
Nike.
Smash Hero
Bored sent me the info, I'll try to have my part set up tonight. If so, I'll most likely miss the draft sunday and will set up the auto draft thing.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Aww, now I feel bad cause I was about to send Hot Arms a PM D:. If we can get another person, we'll have a 10 team league!
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
dont worry about me, if another person shows interest ill rejoin
theeboredone
Smash Legend
10 teams would make it more balanced anyways.
ZIGSTA. If you wanna join, post here.
ZIGSTA. If you wanna join, post here.
Jane
Smash Hero
OKC upset LAL? naww, if anything its the other way around. lakers havent even been tested yet. yeah they have three great players but that doesnt mean autowin, theres still two big threats in the west, plus a lot of hungry, further refined teams [LAC, DEN, MEM] that could very well make a splash during the season. LAL still has a lot to prove both to themselves and to the rest of the league. but there is no doubt, they have three of the greatest players in the game, and three nice front court options outside of dwight.
and i know ive probably already said this a good five times, but man it sucks that the heat are going to waltz right into the finals again. theyre an amazing team, one of the best of course, but it just sucks how free the east is.
and i know ive probably already said this a good five times, but man it sucks that the heat are going to waltz right into the finals again. theyre an amazing team, one of the best of course, but it just sucks how free the east is.
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
The East isn't even that weak honestly... The Heat are just that much better than the rest of the competition right now.
If Chicago were still healthy and if New York could actually play to their potential for once the East wouldn't look nearly as weak as its currently perceived.
If Chicago were still healthy and if New York could actually play to their potential for once the East wouldn't look nearly as weak as its currently perceived.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
CableCho57
Smash Lord
plus brooklyn is lookin stacked with a lot of good matchups vs. the heat
and avery johnson is an underrated coach imo
and avery johnson is an underrated coach imo
tko112
Smash Lord
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/10/25/david-stern-retirement.ap/index.html
well, this was kind of expected, but at the same time, unexpected, thoughts anyone?
well, this was kind of expected, but at the same time, unexpected, thoughts anyone?
GOTM
Smash Champion
I think one thing is true of David Stern, he did a lot. It wasn't all good, but he didn't just sit back and collect a paycheck.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Honestly, I think commissioners for any sport should not have such a long stay. 3-4 years tops.
127crazie
Smash Journeyman
Anybody mind critiquing my fantasy basketball team? It's a 10-person league, and I luckily got the 1st pick. I'm not really an expert on this stuff, though, so any advice would be welcome.
P.S. I understand you guys have your own team, but I didn't realize that until recently, as I didn't visit this forum for quite a while. Thanks!
P.S. I understand you guys have your own team, but I didn't realize that until recently, as I didn't visit this forum for quite a while. Thanks!
D
Deleted member
Guest
you might be missing out on rebounds
also, about stern
lets not forget he pretty much saved the NBA
also, about stern
lets not forget he pretty much saved the NBA
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
James Harden just got traded to the Rockets! http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1210059
tarheeljks
Smash Lord
yeah came here to post that. don't think the thunder got enough to justify not trying to win the title this year but i t depends on the pick i guess
edit: if that's the raptors pick then it has quite a bit of value given how short the lakers' window is. they could acquire another strong player and have him on a cheap deal for 3-4 years which would allow them to spend the cap on some depth.
it hink this deal is going to get a ton of hate, but it seems fine (assuming the picks have high lotto potential). they must have thought they had little chance of retaining harden, so once he rejected the 4/52 offer they became totally open to moving him
or as fine as anyone can expect when moving someone of harden's talent level. i guess the ultimate question, which we will prob never know the answer to, is whether the thunder could have kept him
edit2: the picks don't look as good as i initially assumed. mavs pick protected for 5 years and only top 20 anyway (lol) and i'm reading the raptors pick may be protected
edit: if that's the raptors pick then it has quite a bit of value given how short the lakers' window is. they could acquire another strong player and have him on a cheap deal for 3-4 years which would allow them to spend the cap on some depth.
it hink this deal is going to get a ton of hate, but it seems fine (assuming the picks have high lotto potential). they must have thought they had little chance of retaining harden, so once he rejected the 4/52 offer they became totally open to moving him
or as fine as anyone can expect when moving someone of harden's talent level. i guess the ultimate question, which we will prob never know the answer to, is whether the thunder could have kept him
edit2: the picks don't look as good as i initially assumed. mavs pick protected for 5 years and only top 20 anyway (lol) and i'm reading the raptors pick may be protected
ahchoomattchu
Smash Ace
I don't think Harden is going to do all that well on the Rockets now that defenses don't have to account for Durant and Westbrook.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
I remember reading a Bill Simmons article on how Harden told the OKC GM to draft him, because he did not want to be the first or second banana. With this trade, he is thrusted into that roll alongside Lin. If Lin can have a good season, then it's a good trade, but I don't think Harden is a #1 caliber player, simply because of his mentality and what he's already admitted.
I'm surprised OKC traded him...Kevin Martin is a bit "eh" to me, and I thought Harden played a key role in getting OKC to the Finals. Had Harden not disappeared in the Finals last year, I don't think this trade would have gone down. OKC is definitely thinking long term, but I'm concerned if they my have thrown this season out the window.
Edit: Also traded Daquan Cook. Dude was sick from 3...
I'm surprised OKC traded him...Kevin Martin is a bit "eh" to me, and I thought Harden played a key role in getting OKC to the Finals. Had Harden not disappeared in the Finals last year, I don't think this trade would have gone down. OKC is definitely thinking long term, but I'm concerned if they my have thrown this season out the window.
Edit: Also traded Daquan Cook. Dude was sick from 3...
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
I don't like this trade for either team to be quite honest.
OKC: I understand why a move like this makes sense for the long term but why mess up team chemistry by trading away one of your key players so prematurely? When you're an unquestionable contender you make moves that undoubtedly help you to win NOW, and I fail to see how K Mart + an unproven rookie helps that team for this upcoming season. I thought OKC had a good shot at beating the Lakers and making the Finals again this year but now I'm not so sure anymore... Harden always killed the Lakers bench.
Houston: These guys are taking a huge gamble by throwing a bunch of money at 3 completely unproven players. Asik was a bench player that is now expected to be a crucial starter, Lin was a 1 month wonder with a lot of notable question marks in his game, and although Harden is good there's still a lot of uncertainty in terms of how good he can be without playing besides 2 superstars in Brook and Durant. If these guys don't live up to their expected potential then they're screwed cause they traded away their draft picks! Treadmill team for the next 3-4 years IMO.
Tl;dr- Houston is gambling way too much and OKC isn't gambling enough.
OKC: I understand why a move like this makes sense for the long term but why mess up team chemistry by trading away one of your key players so prematurely? When you're an unquestionable contender you make moves that undoubtedly help you to win NOW, and I fail to see how K Mart + an unproven rookie helps that team for this upcoming season. I thought OKC had a good shot at beating the Lakers and making the Finals again this year but now I'm not so sure anymore... Harden always killed the Lakers bench.
Houston: These guys are taking a huge gamble by throwing a bunch of money at 3 completely unproven players. Asik was a bench player that is now expected to be a crucial starter, Lin was a 1 month wonder with a lot of notable question marks in his game, and although Harden is good there's still a lot of uncertainty in terms of how good he can be without playing besides 2 superstars in Brook and Durant. If these guys don't live up to their expected potential then they're screwed cause they traded away their draft picks! Treadmill team for the next 3-4 years IMO.
Tl;dr- Houston is gambling way too much and OKC isn't gambling enough.
Jem.
Smash Master
You gotta remember though, in my honest opinion Kevin Durant and Westbrook haven't hit their prime yet. To me both players will only get better. You dont NEED a James Harden to win the NBA Finals. SOMEONE has got to step up. To me, OKC still makes the finals. It just means they need Ibaka to have those games where he misses no jump shots sometimes, where Mike Miller and the Heat role players go absolutely crazy. It wasnt just Lebron Dwade and Bosh that won the NBA Finals. Without Mike Miller and Mario Chalmers, I don't know if they win the NBA Finals.
Two 1st round draft picks is pretty good though. Why would the Rockets trade their future for one player is a bigger question to me. The rich got richer in the long run and the Rockets are relying on Harden to drop like 20 pts 10 assists every night regardless the team
Two 1st round draft picks is pretty good though. Why would the Rockets trade their future for one player is a bigger question to me. The rich got richer in the long run and the Rockets are relying on Harden to drop like 20 pts 10 assists every night regardless the team
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
In today's NBA when you're going up against a team as star-studded as the Heat and/or Lakers you need all of the firepower and team chemistry that you can get. Harden may have laid an egg in the Finals but he was a consistently crucial part of OKC's offense thanks to his shooting and play making ability. K-Mart is NOT a play maker which means there's more pressure on Westbrook to step up with his PG duties.
I'll say again I see no upside to this trade for OKC in terms of them winning NOW. They were 3 games away from winning it all when you're that close to success there's no real reason to make risky moves like this.
I'll say again I see no upside to this trade for OKC in terms of them winning NOW. They were 3 games away from winning it all when you're that close to success there's no real reason to make risky moves like this.
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
Lol they're probly like "he's not gonna be as effective with the new flopping rules"
CableCho57
Smash Lord
^looool
I agree with most of you guys here. Harden's numbers were kinda glorified because he came of the bench and I don't think he can live up to being a number one scoring option. he's just not good at creating his own shot
I agree with most of you guys here. Harden's numbers were kinda glorified because he came of the bench and I don't think he can live up to being a number one scoring option. he's just not good at creating his own shot
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
Defenses will now be focusing on Harden and Lin 100% of the time so I expect both of them to get exposed to be honest...
I think this recent Kevin Durant tweet sums up tonight's events quite nicely: @KDTrey5 "Wow"
I think this recent Kevin Durant tweet sums up tonight's events quite nicely: @KDTrey5 "Wow"
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Some of you brought it up, but OKC did rely on Harden in order to get open shots for other teammates. I'm concerned with Harden gone, how this is going to impact shot selection and getting other guys open. As good as KD and WB are at scoring, they are no where near as good when it comes to setting up others for shots.
Kevin Martin is a scorer as well...so uh...yeah.
Edit: Bill Simmons saying the reason for trade was Harden turning down subpar offer from OKC. OKC made 30-35 million in PROFIT last year. So basically, they could have, should have, given money to Harden, but did not.
Well...it was 4 years 55 mil vs 5 years 75 mil. Looks like he went for the money.
LMFAO. Jeremy Lin and James Harden = Rush Hour.
Kevin Martin is a scorer as well...so uh...yeah.
Edit: Bill Simmons saying the reason for trade was Harden turning down subpar offer from OKC. OKC made 30-35 million in PROFIT last year. So basically, they could have, should have, given money to Harden, but did not.
Well...it was 4 years 55 mil vs 5 years 75 mil. Looks like he went for the money.
LMFAO. Jeremy Lin and James Harden = Rush Hour.
Jem.
Smash Master
I dunno. You still got a big two in Durant and Westbrook, both will only get better. To me, I'd take Durant Westbrook and Ibaka IN CURRENT FORM over Kobe Nash and Howard. Call me crazy. I just think Durant and Westbrook arent at their prime yet. As long as you have Durant and Westbrook, they'll be in the mix for an NBA finals appearance/victory.
Hindsight is 20-20. There aren't many people who think the Thunder can match up vs the Heat even with Harden. What if it was a rematch, Harden lays an egg again, and leaves without OKC getting anything? Then they wasted a year again and didn't get two 1st round picks for it.
Hindsight is 20-20. There aren't many people who think the Thunder can match up vs the Heat even with Harden. What if it was a rematch, Harden lays an egg again, and leaves without OKC getting anything? Then they wasted a year again and didn't get two 1st round picks for it.
AS a die hard Houston fan im pretty ****ing excited about are young squad.
If we offer Harden the Max we still have cap room to sign another free Max Agent which would probably be Power Forward.
Some forwards Houston might go after in the next year. Kevin Love,LaMarcus Aldridge,Al Jefferson, and Josh Smith
So for the Next 3 or 4 years depending if we offer two MAXs or something close to it starting 5 could be
Lin
Harden
Parsons
Love/Aldridge/Jefferson/Smith
Asik
I can see the team having a Memphis Grizzlies success
I also think Smith is the most likely PF Houston would sign.
My thoughts on the trade it self.
Its good for both teams Houston has to take a risk and Harden is a safe risk to take he wants the max we can offer him that he is only 23 years old I believe and the team on how its built is a very young squad. We were in the rebuilding phrase but with this trade we definitely are close of getting out of rebuilding.
OKC are set for this year and the future, they get three picks plus Lamb, after Martin contract comes off the books they can sign someone to be a strong sixth man or develop Lamb and PJ3
all I can say is im excited for my Houston Rockets this year.
If we offer Harden the Max we still have cap room to sign another free Max Agent which would probably be Power Forward.
Some forwards Houston might go after in the next year. Kevin Love,LaMarcus Aldridge,Al Jefferson, and Josh Smith
So for the Next 3 or 4 years depending if we offer two MAXs or something close to it starting 5 could be
Lin
Harden
Parsons
Love/Aldridge/Jefferson/Smith
Asik
I can see the team having a Memphis Grizzlies success
I also think Smith is the most likely PF Houston would sign.
My thoughts on the trade it self.
Its good for both teams Houston has to take a risk and Harden is a safe risk to take he wants the max we can offer him that he is only 23 years old I believe and the team on how its built is a very young squad. We were in the rebuilding phrase but with this trade we definitely are close of getting out of rebuilding.
OKC are set for this year and the future, they get three picks plus Lamb, after Martin contract comes off the books they can sign someone to be a strong sixth man or develop Lamb and PJ3
all I can say is im excited for my Houston Rockets this year.
Also Houstons offense is purely PnR,McHale doesnt have many plays, if Defenses are going to double Lin or Harden they will be leaving Asik open and he has been improving alot when finishing at the rim. I can really see him winning Most Improved Player this year.
Also Lin and Asik dont get big money until there third year I think.
edit: also Houstons Rotation this year would probably be.
Lin/Douglas
Harden/Delfino/Cook
Parsons/Livingston/White/Morris
Patterson/Jones/Donas
Asik/Smith/Aldrich
By the season starts they will cut Jon Brockman,Gary Forbes,Lazar Hayward,JaJuan Johnson,Scott Machado
But that is my guess and thats who I hope they cut since Cook and Aldrich can help the team.
Edit2: also if you wanna seee rockets salary cap and how itll work you can go here http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=7267549#post7267549
Also Lin and Asik dont get big money until there third year I think.
edit: also Houstons Rotation this year would probably be.
Lin/Douglas
Harden/Delfino/Cook
Parsons/Livingston/White/Morris
Patterson/Jones/Donas
Asik/Smith/Aldrich
By the season starts they will cut Jon Brockman,Gary Forbes,Lazar Hayward,JaJuan Johnson,Scott Machado
But that is my guess and thats who I hope they cut since Cook and Aldrich can help the team.
Edit2: also if you wanna seee rockets salary cap and how itll work you can go here http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=7267549#post7267549
theeboredone
Smash Legend
I still think they are the best in the West, but the difference got smaller with this trade. Like I said, they don't have a true distributor now to help other teammates get better. We saw how bad it could get with KD and WB when they would take turns each possession scoring. It just makes their offense more predictable, unless WB or someone goes an epic PG transformation.
I think it's gonna hurt them more in the Finals than anything else. I doubt Harden would lay two eggs in a row. It would also mean he wouldn't get as much money in FA if he did so.