Basketball Thread

[theeboredone]

LeBron is 0-4 when down in the series 3-2. 0-2 against Boston.

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

Tony Parker needs to step up. Role players need to make their shots, and less careless turnovers

The thunder have been out hustling for boards too. Spurs love to play in stretches.

I've noticed that when TD is out, they also don't get rebounds...

 

[theeboredone]

http://www.cafepress.com/sportsjokers.653845143

TRG, you should wear that.

 

[Deleted member]

ok enough of the wade on rondo crime. 99% of nba players make that play trying to box a defender out. he didn't aim for his elbow or anything.

watching first take. stephen A talking about wade: "He's the classiest guy i've ever covered. but he's gotten comfortable, and has moved away from what got him here." sounds about right.

the heat are a better team, but i think its a coaching issue. theres no reason a team with wade, bosh, and USB lebron surrounded with some of the best 3point shooters in the league should have any bad matchups. i like what spoelstra has done for the heat defense, but they need a new coach to fix their offense, which just looks awfully out of sync at times.

they suffered from it last year in the finals. the heat didnt have an offense to get lebron out of the discomfort zones the mavs were pushing him into (according to Cuban at the sloan conference. cuban let slip that they used spatial analytics to find which spots lebron didnt like playing in). stephen A touched on this too: lebron's TOO coachable, and this combined with poor offensive coaching might a reason for some of their offensive woes at times.

for whatever reason the heat were 1-3 against the celtics this year. the heat are obviously the better team against the league, but maybe not against Doc and Vets. i think theyre just getting out coached and out hustled. itll probably change though. the heat play when they have something to prove, and it takes being down to get them in that mode.

 

[shadrach kabango]

spurspurspurspurspurs

okay, if we get 12 or fewer turnovers we are guaranteed to win

even if we don't danny green is due for a huge game

even if we don't tony parker is due to bounce back

even if we don't i'll take my chances on blair having a huge game

all we need is 1.5 role players to step up + low turnovers = win by 5+ points

i didn't like it when pop panicked by jerking around tiago (who has the sexiest name in the nba). benching bonner is fine. benching someone who's not making his free throws? small sample size bro. i'll live or die w/ whether or not tiago makes his free throws.

R.I.P. shane battier.

can anyone tell me why lebron has attempted 60 3-pointers in the playoffs? this ***** could never shoot 3s and he was ****** the L the first half of the season when he gave up the shot. 41% on 2 per game pre AS. 32% after, and a woeful 26% in the playoffs. ditto wade.

 

[theeboredone]

ok enough of the wade on rondo crime. 99% of nba players make that play trying to box a defender out. he didn't aim for his elbow or anything.

Yeah, because when you're falling down, you grab a person's arm and take him down with you right?

 

[Linguini]

lol masmasher every one of your posts is filled with nonsense.

pat riley isn't coaching/winning games because he has already done so for decades and is comfortable aging and relaxing at his current GM position. can't blame a guy for wanting that.

so many johns man. i'm a heat fan but when we lose I am the first to recognize that a loss is a loss. thankful to have learned something useful from smash haha

 

[shadrach kabango]

sebastian pruiti believes the spurs will win in 7

San Antonio relies on their successful pick-and-roll play, and there are two key adjustments they can make here. First, they need to use the pick-and-pop, regardless of who is setting the screen.

this is true. duncan shot 36% (iirc) v okc in the regular season, but he was still hitting over 40% of his long 2s. that allowed the spurs offense to ****.

spurs gonna win the title nigggggaaa

we also gotta make sure we dont get ***** when duncan goes out

 

[theeboredone]

Stephen A also said this. If Heat don't win the title. Trade Wade and Bosh for Gasol and Kobe.

I don't know how I would feel about that lol. So many mixed emotions.

 

[shadrach kabango]

stephen a is a ****en idiot and you guys gotta stop giving him any of your valuable attention. kobe has less than zero trade value. gasol doesn't have much trade value. and they can always do bosh or wade for howard.

 

[theeboredone]

He, along with Skip can be morons at times, but they also make valuable points. I would take Wade over Kobe in the regular season, but I also know that Kobe wouldn't give a damn once the playoffs start. While Kobe struggled in some games (just like Wade), he was just as dangerous. The key difference is that I think Kobe can elevate LeBron compared to Wade. He wants to win, and I think his behavior will impact LeBron. Just like how his behavior in the olympics impacted LeBron's defense going ahead.

 

[Malice Chains]

Kobe to Orlando

 

[shadrach kabango]

just the facts, ma'am. you can spew kobe mystic ad nauseam but that doesn't convince me he's a good leader or a particularly productive player. gasol and bynum have been taking shots at him for a minute now. he's also the league's most overrated defense player. he's had two of his lowest ts% in the past two years yet also two of his highest usage rates. he obviously doesn't get it and only cares about his points and shot attempts.

actually kobe at 30 million straight up sucks. you want to pay 80 million for 2 years of kobe and one year of gasol when both are entering or well-entombed within decline years?

the lakers are screwed and it's lol to throw their scraps at mia when wade/bosh have immense trade value and heat org can get pretty much whomever they want

 

[theeboredone]

just the facts, ma'am. you can spew kobe mystic ad nauseam but that doesn't convince me he's a good leader or a particularly productive player. gasol and bynum have been taking shots at him for a minute now. he's also the league's most overrated defense player. he's had two of his lowest ts% in the past two years yet also two of his highest usage rates. he obviously doesn't get it and only cares about his points and shot attempts.

Watch the playoffs and tell me which LA players played the best. Bynum has a hobby of disappearing or losing interest. He was the reason the series went 7 games vs the Nuggets. He got punked by Perkins and wasn't effective at all.

Gasol shot around 42% for the Playoffs. Same percentage as he did last year. He got outplayed by scrubs like Kenneth Fareid, and he couldn't do anything against Ibaka.

Kobe's percentage actually went up. From shooting 43% to 45% in the playoffs. He had some off games, but he was fairly consistent with what he brought. I blame him for losing Game 2 and 4 vs the Thunder, but he also gets the credit for Game 3, and he was no where near responsible for losing Game 5. In the Nuggets series...see what I said about the other two LA stars.

actually kobe at 30 million straight up sucks. you want to pay 80 million for 2 years of kobe and one year of gasol when both are entering or well-entombed within decline years?

He is overpaid for his age, but if the current formula is not working, best to change it up. And players declining? You been watching the Spurs and Celtics this year? They'd like to have a word with you. Didn't an old Maverick team win last year? Jason Kidd at 36, Terry in his mid 30's, Dirk is the same age as Kobe.

the lakers are screwed and it's lol to throw their scraps at mia when wade/bosh have immense trade value and heat org can get pretty much whomever they want

Bosh is still unproven in the playoffs, and Wade is going to be turning 31 next season. Plus, his jump shot is super shady, relies on the drive...when you get older, you lose your speed. His effectiveness is waning year by year.



LMFAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXFzxhlwq1o

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

Do you think Kobe is ending his career as a Laker?

I'm having a hard time answering that question. Eventually, the Lakers cannot afford to pay Kobe $30+ mil a year and let him go. I'm not sure if Kobe is willing to compromise for a MLE or worse as he gets order.

 

[Deleted member]

thank you shad. FINALLY someone who sees kobe like i do. kobe strikes me as a big douche that makes his teammates nervous. not exactly someone you wanna play with. how did kobe's attitude change lebron's defense? that sounds like superstar rhetoric to me. i actually think lebron would be awful with kobe. i really hated that one from stephen a.

i would go so far as trading Bosh AND Wade for Howard and a random, or ryan anderson if orlando is stupid. i would stop at nothing to get howard. ok i'd stop at lebron and would be careful with chalmers as a pawn, but everything else is fair game.

plus, howard made an *** of himself this year a la lebron, so lets just throw them together. Miami can be the new NBA penal colony for talented douchebags. itll be like NBA reputation purgatory.
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i'd put money on a healthy bynum playing like a beast as soon as kobe leaves.

bynum and lebron would be awesome. i'd watch that ****. ooh what about a three way trade sending bosh and kobe to orlando, bynum and ryan anderson to miami, wade and howard to LA? that's my new dream for the offseason. i have no idea how plausible this is. probably impossible. idgaf. someone needs to make this happen.

bosh is a mature, grown-*** man that can deal kobe's *******ry. he's also very good. even in the playoffs when the team gets him involved like last year, and in toronto. i think hes somewhere around 20 and 8 or 9 rebounds in his playoff career.

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

I actually cringe when Lakers fans are like, "OMG, did you see Kobe make that shot?"

I point out two things:
1. Remember how he shoots <30% in those situations
2. MJ is so good that he wouldn't have to go for circus shots every game. He'd just get into the lane and have his way

 

[CableCho57]

Okay Kobe going to Miami would just be dumb as hell, idk what stephen a smith was smoking lol
But he made an excellent point about Lebron and the Heat's negative impact on the League's players imo
esp how he mentioned the contrast of Miami's team vs. Oklahoma City's team

And sure I guess you can kinda make the argument of Kobe as a bad leader, but he's done things that proven otherwise. He stood up for Gasol during the trade rumors, elevated the role players during the three straight finals appearances grabbing two more rings on the way. I think its more about his leadership ON the court that rubs onto his team. Not just numbers, but that work ethic/competitive edge

 

[Deleted member]

i cringe when kobe fans point out how clutch he is

regarding leadership, that was when kobe was good and players were willing to listen. now hes plays like an idiot and everyone looks like they want to tell him to **** off.

But he made an excellent point about Lebron and the Heat's negative impact on the League's players imo

i missed this part what'd he say? i already get the feeling i disagree

oh and kobe is going nowhere. this is kobe town.

i hate that i live here.

 

[CableCho57]

a negative impact not on the NBA and the marketing/ratings, but for the individual players

edit: someone luckily posted this exact part lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uci0m6G0jqs&feature=channel&list=UL

 

[Deleted member]

a negative impact not on the NBA and the marketing/ratings, but for the individual players

edit: someone luckily posted this exact part lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uci0m6G0jqs&feature=channel&list=UL

whoa ninja'd in the time it took me to click quote

 

[CableCho57]

brownsheep do you play melee?

 

[theeboredone]

thank you shad. FINALLY someone who sees kobe like i do. kobe strikes me as a big douche that makes his teammates nervous. not exactly someone you wanna play with. how did kobe's attitude change lebron's defense? that sounds like superstar rhetoric to me. i actually think lebron would be awful with kobe. i really hated that one from stephen a.

MJ was far worse than Kobe in terms of being a douche, and yet he receives compliments for elevating his teammates. Dude would threaten to fight people in practice.Far as Kobe goes, didn't he call out Pau and Bynum twice in the playoffs? How did they respond? They played better. What about last year, when he kept saying Pau had to be the "black swan"? It's not his fault Pau was being soft and emo about his fiance dumping him.

LeBron HIMSELF said that Kobe's defensive intensity and preparation at the Olympics showed him how to prepare himself on that end. I guess whenever guys like Mike Breen, Van Gundy, or other analysts brought it up...they were just making total BS up right? Here's a paraphrase also based on what Coach K said about Kobe.

Coach Krzyzewski said Bryant completely changed the team. He said that when the other players saw Kobe’s work ethic and competitive intensity, they were shocked and shamed. Kobe caused every other player on Team USA to raise their own standards for preparation and work ethic.

So if you think Kobe played no impact in how LeBron's D magically improved so much that following year, you're on something.

i would go so far as trading Bosh AND Wade for Howard and a random, or ryan anderson if orlando is stupid. i would stop at nothing to get howard. ok i'd stop at lebron and would be careful with chalmers as a pawn, but everything else is fair game.

Okay. LeBron and Dwight? Sure...who's gonna close? The guy who reluctantly went 1/4 in the last 8 minutes, with that "1" being a free lay up? Neither has proven they can do it, especially Dwight. On top of that, dude is a terrible free throw shooter. Just foul him, and make him earn it.

LeBron will carry you for 3 and half quarters, but he sucks at closing. Get someone to do that for him. Unfortunately, Wade has become the epitome of a douchebag that thinks he's already won everything. Stephen A and Skip were right. It's not Wade that rubbed off on LeBron. It's LeBron that rubbed off on Wade.

A Kobe and LeBron team might do worse in the regular season, but I sure as hell would take that tandem in the playoffs. Especially given what's happening now to the current team that can't beat an old man Boston squad. The key difference between Kobe and Wade? Kobe can actually hit shots from the perimeter. It's nice when Wade is driving to the rim and kicking out, but when they force him to be a jump shooter, the guy drops the ball. Kobe is also a post presence as well, something LeBron isn't. If you have Pau as your center, LeBron as your 3/4, Kobe in the post as the 2, Chalmers at the point, and Haslem as your optional 4th. That's a great team to close with.

i'd put money on a healthy bynum playing like a beast as soon as kobe leaves.

Lol, yeah right. The guy who plays when he "feels" like playing? The guy who walks back on defense and has his man dunk on the team? The guy who makes hilarious faces when his teammates get dunked on? The guy who struggled against Perkins? As Perkins said. The difference between Duncan and Bynum? "Duncan is smart."

 

[Deleted member]

melee4lyfe cablecho. only bored ones play brawl

ok just watched stephen A. i skipped bayless. he really needs to stop saying the words "cach-AY" and 'quintessential.' he sounds like a ****ing idiot.

Spoiler

and i completely disagree with him. if he didnt care about winning, he'd still be in cleveland. lebron and the heat arent the cause of players hiring pr agents and whatnot, he's the result of his airness' prevalence in pop culture and media exposure. he took athletic stardom to a whole new level. people were literally killing other people to get their hands on his shoes. it was madness. i would argue it was jordan and the NBA that made the league the show business it is today by having the business sense to capitalize on his popularity.

and about durant tweeting his decision...durant wasnt nearly the global superstar lebron was at the time. durant truly broke out THIS year in terms of popularity. lebron was the best player in the league already halfway through his career, already approaching his 'championship years', and he got a nationwide broadcast because the nation wanted to see it. not nearly as many people cared about durant's potential move.

put another way, when you have a concert that 1000 people want to watch, you book a venue that seats 1000 people. there's money to be made in TV ratings, and someone wanted it. he shouldve less arrogant in his speech about the whole thing, but i have no problem with idea of a national press conference.

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dude are you seriously sleeping on dwight howard?! you crazy. screw closing, they'd be up by 50 points at the start of the 4th and still win by 30. besides kobe hasnt really looked all that great closing lately either, and howard is a much better player at this point. but i'd still rather see lebron and bynum as a fan. lebron would actually get him involved, and we could finally see what big baby bynum's capable of.

and LOL my bad i guess for making you go off with a wall of text, but the whole kobe made lebron's D better was just an innocent question. i really just didnt know, and i was expressing some skepticism. i still think they would be bad teammates together. their playstyles could potentially complement each other seeing as how kobe is an excellent spot up shooter, but im pretty sure they'd bust out the ol' fisticuffs at the first sign of trouble. i dont think kobe has the personality to play second fiddle, and would pass up open shots for a driving circus shot of some sort.

and yeah good for him for calling pau out, but pau's a star in his own right. i'm talking about the guys that actually have real confidence issues, and if they didn't, playing with kobe gave them some. and being left by one's fiance is kind of a big deal i think we can cut pau a little slack. lol what kind of emotionless robot are you?!

 

[shadrach kabango]

Watch the playoffs and tell me which LA players played the best. Bynum has a hobby of disappearing or losing interest. He was the reason the series went 7 games vs the Nuggets. He got punked by Perkins and wasn't effective at all.

bynum was again > than kobe. his rebounding dropped but his blocks skyrocketed and his turnover rate plummeted. his improved free throw percentage made up for his lower FG%.

bynum will always be more important than kobe because he's the entire defense. kobe is a defensive zero.

Gasol shot around 42% for the Playoffs. Same percentage as he did last year. He got outplayed by scrubs like Kenneth Fareid, and he couldn't do anything against Ibaka.

gasol did suck, but small sample size bro. it's easy to overreact to a handful of games. that said gasol's decline is primarily a product of usage, or lack thereof. kobe's tyrannical attitude has turned him into a no. 3 option and a glorified jump shooter.

Kobe's percentage actually went up.

his TS% actually dropped slightly, from 52.5% to 52.3%.

He is overpaid for his age, but if the current formula is not working, best to change it up.

ya, proper "basketball decision" is amnesty kobe

And players declining? You been watching the Spurs and Celtics this year? They'd like to have a word with you. Didn't an old Maverick team win last year? Jason Kidd at 36, Terry in his mid 30's, Dirk is the same age as Kobe.

this is a pretty irrational response that notifies me i should prob stop talking to you

kobe fans are by definition irrational

 

[ViperGold42]

vipergold's posts...

thunder vs celtics is your dream matchup?

what the hell

damn it lebron. i keep trying to defend him but cmon 4 shots? i seriously think its fatigue or something from playing so hard on D and running the court for 45 minutes a game. i dont understand.

**** yeah bro. The young guns of Kevin Durant and Brian Westbrook vs. the Big 3 of Pierce, Garrnett, and Allen? Thunder vs Celtics, The team looking for a championship against the legendary franchise that defines the NBA (along with the Lakers) That's a dream matchup.

 

[theeboredone]

bynum was again > than kobe. his rebounding dropped but his blocks skyrocketed and his turnover rate plummeted. his improved free throw percentage made up for his lower FG%.

Oh wow, just keep looking at the numbers. Did you forget how Javale McGee was dancing around Bynum? I never said Bynum was not the most important component to the Lakers, because he is. When he's on defensively, the team becomes dangerous. However, he rarely chooses to be that. Because of him and Pau, the series went 7 games vs the Nuggets. The idiot who said "closeout games are easy" failed to show up in hardly any of them. He's the same idiot that doesn't give effort if he's not getting 20 shots per game. The same guy who's off in the distance when everyone else is in the huddle. I even showed Brownie stats of how Pau and Bynum performed in LA losses compared to victories. The differential was so far and extreme...not just from a number's standpoint, but also how they let their opponents perform in Fareid and McGee.

And if you're gonna tell me he would try if he was the main focal point, then that's stupid. You're an all-star, a professional that is paid 12 million a year. There is no way in hell you should be not wanting to try just cause you're not getting shots. There are plenty of players who don't get shots yet commit themselves on the defensive end so they can have a chance to win. It's just pure immaturity on Bynum's end.

bynum will always be more important than kobe because he's the entire defense. kobe is a defensive zero.

Bynum is definitely the most important cog to their D. But to dismiss Kobe is pretty "irrational" on your end. Ty Lawson single handedly brought Denver back in Game 7 during the third...accounting for about 13 points. The 4th quarter? 0 points. Why? Because Kobe took him and shut him down. Yeah, he is a defensive zero in your book. Brownie's boy James Harden had one of the worst series he could possibly had by shooting around 35% against LA. The two primary defenders on him were Kobe and Blake. It's funny how analysts always say, "Oh, Pierce is shooting poor because he has to guard LBJ." or "Oh, Wade is getting tired because he has to chase Ray Allen." Never once did I hear something like that defending Kobe's poor nights, but heard it all the time when Harden struggled. Cause apparently, the 23 year old Harden is going to struggle guarding Kobe, when it would make more sense for the 34 year old Kobe to struggle cause he's guarding Harden or WB.

gasol did suck, but small sample size bro. it's easy to overreact to a handful of games. that said gasol's decline is primarily a product of usage, or lack thereof. kobe's tyrannical attitude has turned him into a no. 3 option and a glorified jump shooter.

Small sample size? His shooting percentage was the exact same last year and this year in the playoffs. That's a total of 20 playoff games. The guy just reverts to being soft and taking jumpers. It's one thing to say this year, because Bynum plays in the post, so he takes more J's, but last year too? Especially when he was still the second option? People overrate Gasol far too much. This is the guy who led his Memphis team to a 0-8 record in the playoffs. I give credit for playing the center position in 2009 vs Dwight and then playing tough against KG in a pivotal game 7 in 2010...but those are more like rare occurrences rather than consistency.

this is a pretty irrational response that notifies me i should prob stop talking to you

kobe fans are by definition irrational

Oh hey look, calling me essentially an irrational person, because I'm an "apparent" Kobe fan. Never mind when I stated above that the best thing for LA to do would be to amnesty him. That still makes me irrational. Never mind you didn't even bother making a case as to WHY I'm irrational.

I mean, KG is what? 36? Ray Allen is 35? Pierce is 34? Those old guys are beating up on Miami, who last I checked have LBJ and Wade in their primes as of now. The Spurs with a 36 year old Duncan, 34 something Ginobili, and 31 year old Parker are doing pretty well too. Point is, even at their age, they are getting it done. So long as the team assembled around them is appropriate. Gasol will be going on 32, which for a 7 footer is by no means a decline. Didn't Dirk go crazy at the age of 33 last year? Jason Kidd shot about 40% from 3 last year as well. Kobe's shooting dropped off a bit this year, but what's to say it will decline again?

 

[Deleted member]

bynum will always be more important than kobe because he's the entire defense. kobe is a defensive zero.

this this this

gasol did suck, but small sample size bro. it's easy to overreact to a handful of games. that said gasol's decline is primarily a product of usage, or lack thereof. kobe's tyrannical attitude has turned him into a no. 3 option and a glorified jump shooter.

i think mike brown has a little to do with that too

ya, proper "basketball decision" is amnesty kobe

true story. but kobe town would never allow it. also, jim buss is ********.

how they let their opponents perform in Fareid and McGee.

faried and mcgee is a BEAST 4/5 combo dude they earned everything they got

boredone.

harden having a 35% fg% has everything to do with bynum in the middle than it does kobe on the perimeter. way to feed into his argument. he takes layups and open three's or passes it. kobe has nothing to do with any of that. in fact, given how many more times harden got into the lane with kobe on him compared to attempts against the mavs, i'd say kobe's D looks pretty bad. besides keep in mind he took 40 free throws and only missed 3. did he have a relatively bad series? yes, because he's usually great. but it was a lot better than 35% looks.

you cant accuse people of blindly using stats (when we know he doesn't), and then come back with a response that uses the wrong stat to draw a false conclusion without taking the statistic in context of the game.

 

[theeboredone]

I found my old post too that I showed too Brownie. How the three performed in the Denver series overall, in wins, and losses.

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Maybe their discussion articles are interesting, but that list is bogus. Here's MY take based on some simple numbers and the eye test. Sit down and learn. First the numbers from the first round.

FG%

Gasol: 43%
Bynum: 51%
Bryant: 45%

Rebounds:

Gasol: 9
Bynum: 12.8
Bryant: 4.5

Assists:

Gasol: 4.29
Bynum: 1.4
Bryant: 5

So not only does Kobe beat Gasol in two of the statistics. He beats Gasol in shooting percentage. How the hell does a big man, where most of his shots are open free throw line jumpers or 5 foot hooks shooting worse than Kobe? Gasol was the reason why they got swept by Dallas last year cause he shot 42% due to "emotional issues", and he sucked up in the first round again.

But hey, let's do some "biased" statistics in your and this website's favor.


Kobe in wins:
46%, 4.4 rebounds, 5 assists

Gasol in wins:
47%, 11 rebounds, 6.25 assists

Kobe in losses:
44%, 4.7 rebounds, 5 assists

Gasol in losses:
35%, 4.7 rebounds, 1.7 assists

Let's forget the reason LA lost those games was that because the bigs were playing so damn lazy. Gasol getting 5 rebounds per loss? Are you kidding me? You're letting a 6'8 Fareid punk you? If Bynum and Gasol even play with a semblance of effort, LA wins 4-1.

Let's forget that when Denver was coming back in Game 7, because of Ty Lawson (13 points in the 3rd), Kobe took him in the fourth and held him to ZERO POINTS after he single handedly brought them back from a 15 point deficit.

Let's emphasize the "win percentage value" or whatever garbage that these statisticians make up, because it happens to benefit players who feel like playing when they want too. There is no damn way Gasol's importance should be that emphasized because he didn't feel like showing up in 3 of the 4 games vs Denver. He made Fareid look like an all-star, with Bynum making McGee look like one as well.

 

[ViperGold42]

I found my old post too that I showed too Brownie. How the three performed in the Denver series overall, in wins, and losses.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Maybe their discussion articles are interesting, but that list is bogus. Here's MY take based on some simple numbers and the eye test. Sit down and learn. First the numbers from the first round.

FG%

Gasol: 43%
Bynum: 51%
Bryant: 45%

Rebounds:

Gasol: 9
Bynum: 12.8
Bryant: 4.5

Assists:

Gasol: 4.29
Bynum: 1.4
Bryant: 5

So not only does Kobe beat Gasol in two of the statistics. He beats Gasol in shooting percentage. How the hell does a big man, where most of his shots are open free throw line jumpers or 5 foot hooks shooting worse than Kobe? Gasol was the reason why they got swept by Dallas last year cause he shot 42% due to "emotional issues", and he sucked up in the first round again.

But hey, let's do some "biased" statistics in your and this website's favor.


Kobe in wins:
46%, 4.4 rebounds, 5 assists

Gasol in wins:
47%, 11 rebounds, 6.25 assists

Kobe in losses:
44%, 4.7 rebounds, 5 assists

Gasol in losses:
35%, 4.7 rebounds, 1.7 assists

Let's forget the reason LA lost those games was that because the bigs were playing so damn lazy. Gasol getting 5 rebounds per loss? Are you kidding me? You're letting a 6'8 Fareid punk you? If Bynum and Gasol even play with a semblance of effort, LA wins 4-1.

Let's forget that when Denver was coming back in Game 7, because of Ty Lawson (13 points in the 3rd), Kobe took him in the fourth and held him to ZERO POINTS after he single handedly brought them back from a 15 point deficit.

Let's emphasize the "win percentage value" or whatever garbage that these statisticians make up, because it happens to benefit players who feel like playing when they want too. There is no damn way Gasol's importance should be that emphasized because he didn't feel like showing up in 3 of the 4 games vs Denver. He made Fareid look like an all-star, with Bynum making McGee look like one as well.

dude knows his NBA.

 

[shadrach kabango]

Oh wow, just keep looking at the numbers.

just keep going off your memory. i will always take the long-view over the subjective and fallacious "eye" test. idc what subjective things you remember.

you're illogical because you're trying to prove something instead of being objective.

Brownie's boy James Harden had one of the worst series he could possibly had by shooting around 35% against LA. The two primary defenders on him were Kobe and Blake.

this is pretty noobie. aj (brownsheep) beat me to it. 8 free throws per game. just 2 turnovers per. harden had a great series. your analysis is grade-school.

re your gasol stuff, blah blah blah. why don't you average his #'s since he's been a laker? his career playoff averages? what's the lakers' record in the gasol era when gasol misses a game? when he plays? it won't do your argument any favors to look that up tho.

you're just being simultaneously argumentative and intellectually dishonest. from where i'm standing that's really boring to argue against.

 

[Deleted member]

funny thing about faried

stat nerds have been saying he's a superstar all year long, and that his lack of totals was a result of karl not using him. and getting punked by faried on the boards is no shame. 6'8 has nothing to do with anything. barkley was listed at 6'5" and Rodman was 6'6". Faried is just a GREAT rebounder. truly one of the leagues best up and coming stars. he's like a more explosive blake griffin that can actually play defense and rebound. ooh i got it he's blake griffin's defensive counterpart. i just pat myself on the back.

karl apparently was keeping him secret for the playoffs. faried got some minutes. faried looked great. no one that looks at dat "wern percerntage value" was even remotely shocked. it was expected.

Al Harrington ruins everything.

Let's emphasize the "win percentage value" or whatever garbage that these statisticians make up, because it happens to benefit players who feel like playing when they want too

this is awful. truly a terrible terrible moment in your posting history. thats like saying points per game is a garbage stat because it benefits players who shoot when they want to.

 

[shadrach kabango]

faried is a priy bad defender fwiw

 

[theeboredone]

harden having a 35% fg% has everything to do with bynum in the middle than it does kobe on the perimeter. way to feed into his argument. he takes layups and open three's or passes it. kobe has nothing to do with any of that. in fact, given how many more times harden got into the lane, i'd say kobe's D looks pretty bad. besides keep in mind he took 40 free throws and only missed 3. did he have a relatively bad series? yes, because he's usually great. but it was a lot better than 35% looks.

It's funny how you assume I didn't check to see whether I was making blind statements. Here's a lil something for you. Now I'll be fair and say I don't know the stats of who was guarding him. It could have been Blake, Kobe, Barnes, or MWP. Hell, they could even be wide open looks.

Game 2: Harden is 3/8: 3 of his 5 misses came on the perimeter.

Game 3: Harden is 4/13. Out of those 9 missed shots, 5 came on the perimeter.

Game 4: Harden is 2/11. 4 of his misses came on the perimeter. So this is the only game where he missed more in the lane vs perimeter.

The other 2 games he shot 50% or better, so that's just bad defense on the people guarding him and help.

Kobe and anyone defending him did get beat on the dribble a lot, and a lot of his good looks came off of transition as well. However, numbers don't lie. He missed a lot of perimeter shots, and someone was defending him. The two primary guys were Kobe and Blake, so they deserve credit where credit is due.

you cant accuse people of blindly using stats (when we know he doesn't), and then come back with a response that uses the wrong stat to draw a false conclusion without taking the statistic in context of the game.

DON'T YOU DARE. EVER. EVER. EVER. Accuse me of something like that. I NEVER EVER said that he was using WRONG statistics to draw a FALSE CONCLUSION. All I did was present my own numbers + eye test, that clearly contradicted his. You can choose to believe whichever you want, but I NEVER disregarded his numbers. All I did was present an opposing argument. You are better than to say anything like that. That was really low of you.

You wanna talk about the context of the game? It's funny how you posted that chart a while back about who's been most valuable in the playoffs. Use your eye test. Go watch the games again. Use my numbers, hell use your numbers to see how effective Pau and Bynum were in losses. How they failed to defend Fareid and McGee in the Nuggets series. How those two became suddenly all-stars. If you're gonna read one part, then READ THIS.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again. When Pau and Bynum are committed to winning, LA is very formidable. Bynum is easily their MVP when he's on. When they decide to not care or be soft, the entire team gets punked along with them mostly. So when you say they are most valuable to their win share or whatever? You're right. But you know what? They are also the MOST VALUABLE to their losses as well. There's your context. Both sides of the coin.

 

[shadrach kabango]

The other 2 games he shot 50% or better, so that's just bad defense on the people guarding him and help.

stuff like this is why i find it hard to take you completely seriously. your thinking is totally results-oriented.

well in that case kobe was an abomination in last year's playoffs. peja stojakovic / jason terry / stevenson/ everyone on the mavs was absolutely killing him. he was getting lost on screens left and right. open 3-pointer after open 3-pointer. his awful defense was probably the main reason the lakers were not competitive.

Now I'll be fair and say I don't know the stats of who was guarding him. It could have been Blake, Kobe, Barnes, or MWP. Hell, they could even be wide open looks.

so wtf are you talking about?

do you have a shot chart?

Kobe and anyone defending him did get beat on the dribble a lot, and a lot of his good looks came off of transition as well. However, numbers don't lie. He missed a lot of perimeter shots, and someone was defending him.

sick backtracking.

Use my numbers, hell use your numbers to see how effective Pau and Bynum were in losses.

tbh i don't understand why, even if this is true, i'm supposed to care about this. why does this matter?

How they failed to defend Fareid and McGee in the Nuggets series.

did you watch the games mister eye test? the nuggets beat them down the court. that's proof they aren't committed to winning? see, that's how biased you are. kobe ****s the bed v the mavs and i don't say he's not committed to winning. he just sucked defensively. you're applying personality traits where they don't belong. you're just making **** up quite honestly.

 

[Ascended Dragon]

Tomorrow, Heat @ Celtics..... who you think is gonna win?

 

[ViperGold42]

Tomorrow, Heat @ Celtics..... who you think is gonna win?

C's are at home, GO CELTICS! BRING ON THE DREAM MATCHUP!

 

[theeboredone]

just keep going off your memory. i will always take the long-view over the subjective and fallacious "eye" test. idc what subjective things you remember.

Hm let's see. Yeah, once again accusing me of going off memory. Oh wait, I decided to take the time to read some rapid reactions, my own posts when the games were happening that were posted moments after the events. But please, just look at the numbers you like to look at. At what point was I disagreeing with you when I said when Bynum is engaged, he is their MVP? He's also their MVL when the team stinks up the joint. If you can't even agree with that, then I fail to see what point you're proving.

But yeah, I guess everyone from Skip Bayless to guys like Magic and Tim Legler are just thinking the same as me and being dumb about it =/. I think I'll agree with people who went to Journalism school and guys who played professionally. I'll agree with the coaches as well. We all seem to be in the same boat.

why don't you average his #'s since he's been a laker? his career playoff averages? what's the lakers' record in the gasol era when gasol misses a game? when he plays? it won't do your argument any favors to look that up tho.

First of all, I've been CLEARLY talking about his PLAYOFF performance in the past 2 years. I know what he's done in the regular seasons since arriving, you don't need to tell me that. I've been critical of his playoff failures. Something you still choose to not address.

Second, so what if the Lakers without Gasol are ****ty? LeBron and Bosh went 14-1 without Wade. Does that mean the Heat are better without him? Oh look, I just took your statement and turned it around right back at you.

you're just being simultaneously argumentative and intellectually dishonest. from where i'm standing that's really boring to argue against.

Because people just look at the numbers and that's it. When you stop using the eye test, let alone the psychology of the game, then I can accuse you of being just as biased if you are going to accuse me.

 

[shadrach kabango]

First of all, I've been CLEARLY talking about his PLAYOFF performance in the past 2 years. I know what he's done in the regular seasons since arriving, you don't need to tell me that. I've been critical of his playoff failures. Something you still choose to not address.

idc, regular season is more valuable and predictive than playoffs

Second, so what if the Lakers without Gasol are ****ty?

i was showing how biased you are. follow along.

Oh look, I just took your statement and turned it around right back at you.

why are you so salty dude? take a deep breath. WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH? i don't understand. that's why you're so biased, you know.

When you stop using the eye test, let alone the psychology of the game, then I can accuse you of being just as biased if you are going to accuse me.

ZOMG WHEN DID I SAY STOP USING THE EYE TEST BLAH BVLAH BLAH

that's me impersonating you i guess

i don't care enough to actually use capitals

 

[theeboredone]

idc, regular season is more valuable and predictive than playoffs

So you don't care that Gasol has played terrible these last two years in the playoffs, because he's been apparently fine/good in the regular season? I just want you to clarify that. Because I've been trying to get you to answer the question or explain why Gasol has been terrible in the playoffs these last two years.

And I honestly don't think you should rely on that statement. Remember what LBJ ended up doing in the Finals last year? Who would have thunk?

i was showing how biased you are. follow along.

Sorry, I suck at reading emotions on the internet.

why are you so salty dude? take a deep breath. WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH? i don't understand. that's why you're so biased, you know.

Couple of things.

1. Salty? No. Once again, misreading emotions on the internet. I was upset that I got accused of saying something I never said, let alone believed. I'm sure you don't enjoy having words put in your mouth.

2. What am I biased about exactly? Do I have to state for the 10th time I agree that Bynum is the MVP when he's engaged? Maybe I care, because you still haven't answered my questions? You just ignore them and trash talk me.

i don't care enough to actually use capitals

It's a means of point of emphasis, so people don't miss it.