Social Banjo-Kazooie Social Thread - Project Dream Come True!

[Organization XIII]

I know this man he is legit, he is a great smash commentator, I met him and i discussed with him many time. Plus he really wanted sora in smash...

I'm not questioning the integrity of either people involved, it's just we don't know the actual statement given by the Vice President to actually to look into ourselves. Nor did the actual interaction happen in a more public setting. Like if this was during an interview with a gaming site or something or on social media it would be a bigger deal instead of to a single fan. Really he was never going to say yes to Sora's involvement so really again without the actual statement and it being a more private setting I see no real cause for concern.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Dont forget about Suda51 also confirming Travis Touchdown isn't in the game either, and I'm pretty sure there's more characters who have been deconfirmed right?

Dante, Master Chief, Cuphead and 2B. There might be others, but I forgot.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Can anyone confirm if this is true about a non-disclosure agreement?

Nope, under NDA you can Lie or Deny, because if you do neither that is implying that there is a chance for the product to go in a certain direction that people may believe

— HMK (@HMKilla) May 27, 2019

While the first part is true, the second part is his opinion, and that's definitely a bad conclusion to jump to. A person under an NDA can do all three, including remaining silent.

From what we can gather the VP is telling the truth, or lying, or the person tweeting the VP's statement is lying (unless there's multiple people who can confirm it). For the first two, there's no way to determine which is which--the simplest explanation is he's telling the truth and Sora's not in, unless there's later evidence to the contrary.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

RIP Sora, I feel sorry for the Sora fans. If the Square-Enix character ain't Sora, I'm hoping it's either Geno or Sephiroth, but it's very likely going to be Erdrick if there are no Ballot picks in the Season Pass.

Most likely is way too subjective. We don't know who it'll be. It's a reasonable guess it's Erdrick, but we have some extremely sketchy evidence towards it. The stats are very difficult to figure out to a degree, since we have no clue what his playstyle would be like, and the codename is very vague right now.

Verge wasn't implying Erdrick would be shown off. Just a SE character, which wasn't even what he talked about being shown off in the February Direct either. What he said is a SE character would be the first DLC shown off. When it wasn't, he made a lot of excuses for it, which definitely hurt his credibility. Where did you hear we'd get a SE character(or Erdrick) in the February direct??

I heard people from the Square-Enix thread saying Verge said that when the Direct was live.

 

[AngrySun88]

One thing I wanted to point out - Erdrick and Steve really aren't being "leaked". They're rumors that are coming from mostly unreliable sources. We really can't call them "leaks" until they're confirmed.

The Sora deconfirmation comes straight from someone who talked with a Square representative. All we have for Erdrick and Steve are rumors.

At least the people discussing Banjo are more credible.

 

[CosmicQuark]

One thing I wanted to point out - Erdrick and Steve really aren't being "leaked". They're rumors that are coming from mostly unreliable sources. We really can't call them "leaks" until they're confirmed.

The Sora deconfirmation comes straight from someone who talked with a Square representative. All we have for Erdrick and Steve are rumors.

At least the people discussing Banjo are more credible.

Tansut, who rumored Erdrick, is a reliable source, though doesn't have a huge pedigree. Those that rumored Steve, I would suggest, aren't. Still, I agree that they're rumors, not leaks, and should be treated likewise. Erdrick is certainly not the lock some people think he is. I'd even go so far as saying an SE rep at all is not a lock.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

That does beg the question, besides being right very often, what is Verge’s claim to credibility?

 

[AngrySun88]

Verge has also been wrong as often as he's been right, and he's got nothing right about the DLC so far.

As for leaks, here's a fake 4Chan leak that I noticed, but it does mention a double Erdrick-Banjo reveal at E3. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that's a likely outcome. I still say that's very likely.

https://twitter.com/Nightwing2xxy/status/1132449766376296448

I'm very hesitant to share these, but it does seem that people are open to the idea of a double E3 reveal.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Verge has also been wrong as often as he's been right, and he's got nothing right about the DLC so far.

As for leaks, here's a fake 4Chan leak that I noticed, but it does mention a double Erdrick-Banjo reveal at E3. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that's a likely outcome. I still say that's very likely.

https://twitter.com/Nightwing2xxy/status/1132449766376296448

I'm very hesitant to share these, but it does seem that people are open to the idea of a double E3 reveal.

I stopped at “Super Mario Bros 2 mode” for Mario Maker 2.
There’s no way SMB USA is getting that much attention in Japan, not to mention the gameplay style is radically different from the others.

And I’d happily eat crow if I’m wrong, because I love SMB2. Not to mention the whole list would get me more hyped than I’ve ever been at E3 ever.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Verge has also been wrong as often as he's been right, and he's got nothing right about the DLC so far.

As for leaks, here's a fake 4Chan leak that I noticed, but it does mention a double Erdrick-Banjo reveal at E3. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that's a likely outcome. I still say that's very likely.

https://twitter.com/Nightwing2xxy/status/1132449766376296448

I'm very hesitant to share these, but it does seem that people are open to the idea of a double E3 reveal.

>Teasing 4.0
>Then immediately teasing 5.0

Yeah, no

 

[Gameboi834]

...the gameplay style is radically different from the others.

Well, it's theorized that SMB2 (US) could be the second game mode next to SM3DW, which is probably what they meant in this fake leak.

Which, btw, mentions a Switch Mini, but Nintendo already stated that they wouldn't be showing off any hardware at E3 this year.

 

[TheAnvil]

I stopped at “Super Mario Bros 2 mode” for Mario Maker 2.
There’s no way SMB USA is getting that much attention in Japan, not to mention the gameplay style is radically different from the others.

And I’d happily eat crow if I’m wrong, because I love SMB2. Not to mention the whole list would get me more hyped than I’ve ever been at E3 ever.

SMW is pretty different from the rest too, hence why it's in a different section.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Verge has also been wrong as often as he's been right, and he's got nothing right about the DLC so far.

As for leaks, here's a fake 4Chan leak that I noticed, but it does mention a double Erdrick-Banjo reveal at E3. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that's a likely outcome. I still say that's very likely.

https://twitter.com/Nightwing2xxy/status/1132449766376296448

I'm very hesitant to share these, but it does seem that people are open to the idea of a double E3 reveal.

Like I said before. SE is an attention hog. There is no way they are going to allow Erdrick to be shown off in the same presentation as Banjo. Their character needs to be in the spotlight and no way in hell is some unknown Dragon Quest dude going to outshine Banjo. I had to stop reading there because of how predictable SE is.

 

[AngrySun88]

>Teasing 4.0
>Then immediately teasing 5.0

Yeah, no

Which is why I said that it's fake and only shared it because I'm not the only one who thinks that a double E3 reveal is likely.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Well, it's theorized that SMB2 (US) could be the second game mode next to SM3DW, which is probably what they meant in this fake leak.

Which, btw, mentions a Switch Mini, but Nintendo already stated that they wouldn't be showing off any hardware at E3 this year.

Ah, cool. Would be sweet, I ve always loved SMB2, so that mode would sell me the game.
Also, any leak that includes Rare Replay on Switch would make me happy. I don’t know how, but I missed out on every game developed by Rare after the DKC trilogy on Snes.

 

[TheAnvil]

Like I said before. SE is an attention hog. There is no way they are going to allow Erdrick to be shown off in the same presentation as Banjo. Their character needs to be in the spotlight and no way in hell is some unknown Dragon Quest dude going to outshine Banjo. I had to stop reading there because of how predictable SE is.

Simon was announced the same day as K. Rool. I don't think third parties being outshone is any kind of factor in the reveal schedule.

And besides, anyone would outshine Erdrick. He's a literal who.

 

[Lycan Rex]

I can see a double reveal happening. One being a joker-esque reveal, where we're given a small teaser, with no gameplay and given a vague release date (coming in august)

The other one that's released relatively soon to hold us over till then.

Also sorry to any sora fans here. I didn't care for him (I don't really care about any character except banjo and dark souls Guts at this point) but a deconfirmation still hurts all the same

 

[Planet Cool]

I stopped at “Super Mario Bros 2 mode” for Mario Maker 2.
There’s no way SMB USA is getting that much attention in Japan, not to mention the gameplay style is radically different from the others.

SMB2/USA is the most requested new game style in the Mario Maker fandom, easily topping the 3D World style, which I didn't hear a peep about until the SMM2 announcement trailer.

Not to get too off-topic but I really don't see why it's so unfeasible. The e-reader levels from Super Mario Advance 4 had grass and veggies that you could pluck out. It's a fun mechanic that could easily be integrated into (at least) the four "main" game styles.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Simon was announced the same day as K. Rool. I don't think third parties being outshone is any kind of factor in the reveal schedule.

And besides, anyone would outshine Erdrick. He's a literal who.

Simon is a pretty big name to stand on his own against King K. I don't think you understand SE when it comes to their characters. SE always wants their character to be the center of attention. Especially since Erdrick is going to be such a gamble with how unknown he is. People are hardly going to remember Erdrick got announced if he is revealed in the same direct as Banjo. I see Erdrick appearing in a later on Nintendo direct that is going to have a heavy focus on Dragon Quest related media. IF we get a double reveal at E3. I am expecting another big name to stand on it's own. Nintendo already got Super Mario Maker 2 and Pokemon out of the way with their own separate directs. It's making me think they want to make room for big announcements during E3. Erdrick isn't going to be a big reveal by any means. This is also a western focused event when we all know how unknown Dragon Quest is in the western market. I don't think Erdrick is going to happen at E3.

 

[Rubberfrog]

RIP Sora fans. He isnt my favorite character, but I definitely wanted him over any other Square character (except maybe Crono).

 

[CosmicQuark]

They did leave the option for game modes separate from the classic ones, so a SMB2 style is certainly possible now (though, I've seen some creative fan versions that are capable of pulling it off in theory). However, I do think it'd be weird to announce something so big close to release, makes me think separate art styles could be DLC.

However, I stopped at "4chan rumor".

 

[Gameboi834]

people are open to the idea of a double E3 reveal.

On this note, what would be your best/worst case scenario for a Banjo double reveal?

I think for me, if Sora really is nixxed, a Banjo and Crash reveal would be awesome, although they are pretty similar in terms of third party cartoony mascots.
My worst case scenario would definitely be Banjo and Erdrick, even though I was excited for Erdrick at first; I think he would be a relatively boring reveal.

 

[TheAnvil]

Simon is a pretty big name to stand on his own against King K. I don't think you understand SE when it comes to their characters. SE always wants their character to be the center of attention. Especially since Erdrick is going to be such a gamble with how unknown he is. People are hardly going to remember Erdrick got announced if he is revealed in the same direct as Banjo. I see Erdrick appearing in a later on Nintendo direct that is going to have a heavy focus on Dragon Quest related media. IF we get a double reveal at E3. I am expecting another big name to stand on it's own. Nintendo already got Super Mario Maker 2 and Pokemon out of the way with their own separate directs. It's making me think they want to make room for big announcements during E3. Erdrick isn't going to be a big reveal by any means. This is also a western focused event when we all know how unknown Dragon Quest is in the western market. I don't think Erdrick is going to happen at E3.

Erdrick is E3 or bust considering he has to be character 2 or 3 to line up with Tansut's leak (saying he was early in development in December). And I'm fairly certain we will see 2 fighters at E3.

 

[AngrySun88]

On this note, what would be your best/worst case scenario for a Banjo double reveal?

I think for me, if Sora really is nixxed, a Banjo and Crash reveal would be awesome, although they are pretty similar in terms of third party cartoony mascots.
My worst case scenario would definitely be Banjo and Erdrick, even though I was excited for Erdrick at first; I think he would be a relatively boring reveal.

If there is one, I'm convinced that it'll be Erdrick and Banjo. However, with the Sora deconfirm, I'm not so sure that we're even getting another Square character.

My ideal reveal would be Banjo and Shantae, though I doubt Shantae will get in.

 

[ivanlerma]

What About Artorias? if the google theory is real.

 

[Izanagi97]

On this note, what would be your best/worst case scenario for a Banjo double reveal?

I think for me, if Sora really is nixxed, a Banjo and Crash reveal would be awesome, although they are pretty similar in terms of third party cartoony mascots.
My worst case scenario would definitely be Banjo and Erdrick, even though I was excited for Erdrick at first; I think he would be a relatively boring reveal.

Yeah, someone earlier summed up an Erdrick reveal as golf claps and a Banjo reveal as screaming. I'd imagine that would annoy SE considering they are apparently massive attention whores regarding their stuff

If there is one, I'm convinced that it'll be Erdrick and Banjo. However, with the Sora deconfirm, I'm not so sure that we're even getting another Square character.

My ideal reveal would be Banjo and Shantae, though I doubt Shantae will get in.

My points against another SE character is Square is difficult to work with

 

[Evil Trapezium]

If we get a double reveal at E3, Doom Guy would be perfect to work with Banjo Kazooie. Just as well known in the west, just as surprising as Banjo Kazooie and represents an untapped genre for the Super Smash Bros series. The biggest problem is that he is to Japan what Erdrick is to us, virtually unknown.

 

[Planet Cool]

Characters that are unpopular in Japan have gotten solo reveals in Smash before, though. Look no further than Little Mac, who is derisively nicknamed "American scrub" by Japanese Smash fans.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Characters that are unpopular in Japan have gotten solo reveals in Smash before, though. Look no further than Little Mac, who is derisively nicknamed "American scrub" by Japanese Smash fans.

Or as we like to call him in America, "scrub"

 

[Planet Cool]

Oh, I think Little Mac is all right. I quite enjoyed Punch-Out Wii (Mike Tyson's Punch-Out was a little before my time and I never played Super Punch-Out).

 

[Shawksta]

Sora being potentially out of the running doesn’t automatically mean Erdrick you know.

Slime still exists if it HAS to be DQ related.
Sephiroth still exists so squeenix can actually sell music and spirits from FF.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Frank O Conner deconfirmed Master Chief and everyone accepts it and nods their heads. "Bummer, but whatever"

Shinji Hashimoto deconfirmed Sora and suddenly everyone is an expert on NDAs.

You can really tell who the fans rooted for harder

 

[MissingGlitch]

Frank O Conner deconfirmed Master Chief and everyone accepts it and nods their heads. "Bummer, but whatever"

Shinji Hashimoto deconfirmed Sora and suddenly everyone is an expert on NDAs.

You can really tell who the fans rooted for harder

There are a lot of other choices people would be happy with from Microsoft. So losing out on one isn't that big of a deal
The only SE reps people want outside of Sora is Geno and Chrono. So when the most wanted SE rep gets deconfiirmed and the other two choices don't seem likely, people scramble to find some reason how it's not a deconfirmation.

 

[AngrySun88]

I'm still not convinced of Erdrick because Verge says so. I'm not so certain we'll even get another Square character.

Frank O Conner deconfirmed Master Chief and everyone accepts it and nods their heads. "Bummer, but whatever"

Shinji Hashimoto deconfirmed Sora and suddenly everyone is an expert on NDAs.

You can really tell who the fans rooted for harder

Denial is a powerful drug.

 

[Mr. Stagg]

Sora being potentially out of the running doesn’t automatically mean Erdrick you know.

Slime still exists if it HAS to be DQ related.
Sephiroth still exists so squeenix can actually sell music and spirits from FF.

The "evidence" for Derick is flimsy at best. For all we know we could be getting Chrono since Chrono Trigger has appeal in both Japan and the West. Still if we do indeed get Derick with Banjo-kazooie it would be a bitter sweet victory. On one hand the haters get half a victory, but on the other hand we can wave Banjo in their face and show them they were wrong.

Derick is a bit lame and uninspired to me, but I wont mind if he gets in too bad. Honestly I'd rather have a Slime Knight or Yangus as the DQ rep. This is IF we get a Squeenix rep at all. Unlike Microsoft, Squeenix is hard to work with and there are so many hurdles to jump through. All for a character that MIGHT do well in the west but only has appeal in Japan.

Still, if we get Banjo-kazooie, horray! We'll have our own club of pwning to bash on the haters.

 

[TheZoologist]

On this note, what would be your best/worst case scenario for a Banjo double reveal?

I think for me, if Sora really is nixxed, a Banjo and Crash reveal would be awesome, although they are pretty similar in terms of third party cartoony mascots.
My worst case scenario would definitely be Banjo and Erdrick, even though I was excited for Erdrick at first; I think he would be a relatively boring reveal.

I mean best case scenario to me is Banjo & Kazooie getting in to Smash after years of impossibility and lingering in forced obscurity and worst case scenario is they don’t get in and I’m one of Boggy’s sad children without their dad or any presents! Seriously, if they get in, I have high hopes for them returning to the spotlight with a rerelease port of their games on the Switch with Rare Replay, a possible HD remasters and maybe if there’s enough push for it, a legit Banjo-Kazooie sequel by someone qualified enough to make it a true successor to the originals.

 

[SKX31]

Frank O Conner deconfirmed Master Chief and everyone accepts it and nods their heads. "Bummer, but whatever"

Shinji Hashimoto deconfirmed Sora and suddenly everyone is an expert on NDAs.

You can really tell who the fans rooted for harder

Devil's in the details.

I'd much rather use the Halo twitter's response post as evidence pointing to Master Chief's decon - because of Frank's, well, style of posting on the net. Not just tweeting. With him, I'm of the opinion that he's decon'ed for this Pass unless (and a big unless) it's all an intentional misleading couple of posts. For the record, I'm counting that as unlikely as possible (1 part per million, we're talking that scale).

With Dante, the wording was "a new Nintendo release" so I would actually not count him out if Capcom's got something in store this E3 (like a Nintendo port). Not counting on that happening either, but not impossible to consider.

I'd be likewise cautious on Sora's possible decon. There's a point in that NDA's are very tricky business, and unless a twitter post is backed up it could be meaningless. It's been pretty much why Chinderblock really didn't consider Frank's tweet a decon, but the Halo Twitter's tweet a much, much stronger reason. The Halo Twitter post very strongly pointed to no NDA existing.

Not heard about the other decons to really say.

 

[ivanlerma]

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2019...works-and-it-already-looks-downright-awesome/
Off Topic but has anyone seen this article of a fan made mini-series for smash bros being made?

 

[AngrySun88]

Here's a thought.

Has Phil Spencer or anyone else at Microsoft/Rare said anything about Banjo since the DLC was announced? I think any company talking about their character after the DLC announcement, positively or negatively, and Smash would be a knock against them.

 

[ivanlerma]

The "evidence" for Derick is flimsy at best. For all we know we could be getting Chrono since Chrono Trigger has appeal in both Japan and the West. Still if we do indeed get Derick with Banjo-kazooie it would be a bitter sweet victory. On one hand the haters get half a victory, but on the other hand we can wave Banjo in their face and show them they were wrong.

Derick is a bit lame and uninspired to me, but I wont mind if he gets in too bad. Honestly I'd rather have a Slime Knight or Yangus as the DQ rep. This is IF we get a Squeenix rep at all. Unlike Microsoft, Squeenix is hard to work with and there are so many hurdles to jump through. All for a character that MIGHT do well in the west but only has appeal in Japan.

Still, if we get Banjo-kazooie, horray! We'll have our own club of pwning to bash on the haters.

Can you please tell me who Derick is?
Edit:How do i merge this, i think i doubled posted!