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[MissingGlitch]

Can you please tell me who Derick is?
Edit:How do i merge this, i think i doubled posted!

He just kinda started calling Erdrick that for some reason.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Here's a thought.

Has Phil Spencer or anyone else at Microsoft/Rare said anything about Banjo since the DLC was announced? I think any company talking about their character after the DLC announcement, positively or negatively, and Smash would be a knock against them.

Nope, total radio silence from all official parties

 

[AngrySun88]

Nope, total radio silence from all official parties

That's good to know.

If Phil said something like "yeah, I'd still like Banjo-Kazooie in Smash", then I'd take that as a sign that Nintendo hasn't reached out to them and would be a knock against him. Companies talking about their character like that aren't probably going to be in.

Hence why I think the Sora deconfirm is legit and Aubrey Norris bashing Steve probably isn't helping his chances.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

That's good to know.

If Phil said something like "yeah, I'd still like Banjo-Kazooie in Smash", then I'd take that as a sign that Nintendo hasn't reached out to them and would be a knock against him. Companies talking about their character like that aren't probably going to be in.

Hence why I think the Sora deconfirm is legit and the Aubrey Norris bashing Steve probably isn't helping his chances.

At the very least, Aubrey bashing Steve is bad PR for Mojang

 

[Mr. Stagg]

He just kinda started calling Erdrick that for some reason.

Can you please tell me who Derick is?
Edit:How do i merge this, i think i doubled posted!

Initially it was a typo due to autocorrect but I thought it was funny so I just rolled with it. Plus It reminded me of this:

Edrick trolls is annoying, Derrick is annoying, there you go! I like layers in my ****posting.

 

[CannonStreak]

Another question about Verge and Erdrick, if you all don't mind: Was Verge even the first to say Erdrick was in? I know he said something about a Square Enix rep before he said Erdrick, if I recall correctly, but I am not sure if he was the first one to say Erdrick himself.

 

[AngrySun88]

At the very least, Aubrey bashing Steve is bad PR for Mojang

It's definitely a knock against Steve. I don't think I've see anyone from Mojang be as enthusiastic for Steve as Phil is for Banjo.

 

[Shawksta]

I would like to think some of the original composers of Rare like Grant would want to come back to support Banjo, and with their apparently transparency and that Nintendo hasnt reached out to them, doesn't seem likely which would be a bummer.

Then im reminded the Xenoblade composers decided to make one of the best remixes in existance for King K Rool, which David Wise found to be a giant compliment.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

I would like to think some of the original composers of Rare like Grant would want to come back to support Banjo, and with their apparently transparency and that Nintendo hasnt reached out to them, doesn't seem likely which would be a bummer

Now that I think about it, Grant WAS pretty jazzed about something last month

 

[AngrySun88]

Now that I think about it, Grant WAS pretty jazzed about something last month
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That's definitely suspicious, but juuuust cryptic enough that I don't think it's mentioning a character or breaking any NDA.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's definitely a knock against Steve. I don't think I've see anyone from Mojang be as enthusiastic for Steve as Phil is for Banjo.

Mojang has no control if Steve gets in or not. It really means nothing. If they don't want to treat him like trash, it's whatever. It's pretty dumb to do so, since it's an important icon to the company, but all it does at best is make the company look childish.

It might be more telling if Microsoft said something, though, since they own the character. If Mojang went out of their way to make it clear Steve wasn't in, which would mean they aren't an NDA, it would matter, though. But they have not said anything close to that. Just they dislike the idea, which again, is an opinion they are allowed to have(whether it being a healthy way to act or not).

 

[CannonStreak]

Mojang has no control if Steve gets in or not. It really means nothing. If they don't want to treat him like trash, it's whatever. It's pretty dumb to do so, since it's an important icon to the company, but all it does at best is make the company look childish.

It might be more telling if Microsoft said something, though, since they own the character. If Mojang went out of their way to make it clear Steve wasn't in, which would mean they aren't an NDA, it would matter, though. But they have not said anything close to that. Just they dislike the idea, which again, is an opinion they are allowed to have(whether it being a healthy way to act or not).

You're not saying Steve has a chance to get in, do you?

 

[Shawksta]

Now that I think about it, Grant WAS pretty jazzed about something last month
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Eh, it’s a chance but I like to keep my expectations low.

If it does happen, it would be the first time a western composer was featured, correct me if I’m wrong, which would be cool.

 

[3BitSaurus]

You know, this talk about Sora and people saying his deconfirmation "doesn't count" made me remember the time people thought Ryu Hayabusa was deconfirmed by the DOA producer and Steve was "soft deconfirmed" at Minecon earlier this year.

The difference, though, is that in both cases, the parties involved didn't give a clear statement. It was something along the lines of "ask Nintendo" or "we aren't the ones who would announce these things". A vague enough answer, could mean both things and, as far as I understand it at least, wouldn't violate NDAs. There was never a clear "no" in these cases. Which is why people still count these two in for the race.

With Sora, however... the only way it "wouldn't count" as a deconfirmation would be if the guy who took the picture was lying... and we have no real reason to think so.

Just my two cents.

I would like to think some of the original composers of Rare like Grant would want to come back to support Banjo, and with their apparently transparency and that Nintendo hasnt reached out to them, doesn't seem likely which would be a bummer.

Then im reminded the Xenoblade composers decided to make one of the best remixes in existance for King K Rool, which David Wise found to be a giant compliment.

Either way, I would kill for some Banjo-Tooie tunes in my Smash. Whether they're originals or remixes.

 

[Izanagi97]

That's good to know.

If Phil said something like "yeah, I'd still like Banjo-Kazooie in Smash", then I'd take that as a sign that Nintendo hasn't reached out to them and would be a knock against him. Companies talking about their character like that aren't probably going to be in.

Hence why I think the Sora deconfirm is legit and Aubrey Norris bashing Steve probably isn't helping his chances.

Won't stop people from thinking they're NDA experts and bashing the Norris comments as "she's just a community manager she has nothing to do with the game"

At the very least, Aubrey bashing Steve is bad PR for Mojang

Yeah, regardless of position, bashing your character getting into Smash raises plenty of eyebrows

Another question about Verge and Erdrick, if you all don't mind: Was Verge even the first to say Erdrick was in? I know he said something about a Square Enix rep before he said Erdrick, if I recall correctly, but I am not sure if he was the first one to say Erdrick himself.

Knowing what I know from reading about Erdrick, he probably wasn't the first. Apparently Erdrick started coming about on 5channel a couple weeks before Verge posted about DQ or something

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You're not saying Steve has a chance to get in, do you?

Of course he does. His chances never really lowered as the so-called evidence is sketchy at best. Even Erdrick has more actual reasons he might not be in that hold water.

Any tweets from employees disliking the character should be best discarded as they aren't going to realistically be under an NDA that says they can't "dislike" the idea. That's illogical. I mean, the idea that they're only bashing Steve because they know he isn't in is actually a decent enough point. But it's still strange for the company to allow it anyway, as that could potentially hurt product sales.

Since somebody brought it up, what Minecon is saying is "We aren't the ones who could confirm anything", because either A) They never were approached and thus couldn't or B) Are under NDA, so can't do much at all. If Steve was rejected entirely, Mojang, if not under contract, could literally say that. They have not even hinted he isn't in the game. They beat around the bush at best. I just view the whole thing with Mojang as a neutral difference for Steve at this point.

Though I can absolutely see Banjo being chosen over Steve due to the fan demand, which is a pretty understandable reason in itself. It also helps that they'd both sell like hotcakes anyway due to massive worldwide appeal. Sure, one is obviously lesser known, but that's not an issue at all. Joker is less known than other Sonic characters, if you want a somewhat simplistic comparison.

 

[Violante]

Now that I think about it, Grant WAS pretty jazzed about something last month
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Grant is freelance and has very recently shot down likelihood of Banjo appearing at Microsoft's conference. I really doubt he's working on Smash Brothers under those circumstances.

 

[CannonStreak]

Of course he does. His chances never really lowered as the so-called evidence is sketchy at best. Even Erdrick has more actual reasons he might not be in that hold water.

Any tweets from employees disliking the character should be best discarded as they aren't going to realistically be under an NDA that says they can't "dislike" the idea. That's illogical. I mean, the idea that they're only bashing Steve because they know he isn't in is actually a decent enough point. But it's still strange for the company to allow it anyway, as that could potentially hurt product sales.

Since somebody brought it up, what Minecon is saying is "We aren't the ones who could confirm anything", because either A) They never were approached and thus couldn't or B) Are under NDA, so can't do much at all. If Steve was rejected entirely, Mojang, if not under contract, could literally say that. They have not even hinted he isn't in the game. They beat around the bush at best. I just view the whole thing with Mojang as a neutral difference for Steve at this point.

Though I can absolutely see Banjo being chosen over Steve due to the fan demand, which is a pretty understandable reason in itself. It also helps that they'd both sell like hotcakes anyway due to massive worldwide appeal. Sure, one is obviously lesser known, but that's not an issue at all. Joker is less known than other Sonic characters, if you want a somewhat simplistic comparison.

You kinda got me worried now, about Banjo's chances, if what you just said is anything to go by.

 

[ivanlerma]

You kinda got me worried now, about Banjo's chances, if what you just said is anything to go by.

Don't worry, please pray for Banjo & Kazooie's chances i'm sure steve won't "hopefully" be in.

 

[MissingGlitch]

There is one thing you can do to help Banjo get added.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You kinda got me worried now, about Banjo's chances, if what you just said is anything to go by.

Nah, Banjo's are still amazing. It's just Steve's are good too.

They both are in very good standings in their own right. Though truthfully I would love both to get revealed at e3. Banjo being Brave I would be fine with too, even if Agumon's my preferred choice here.

 

[CannonStreak]

Nah, Banjo's are still amazing. It's just Steve's are good too.

They both are in very good standings in their own right. Though truthfully I would love both to get revealed at e3. Banjo being Brave I would be fine with too, even if Agumon's my preferred choice here.

I just thought there was more against Steve getting in than Banjo getting in, according to what some insiders said.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I just thought there was more against Steve getting in than Banjo getting in, according to what some insiders said.

Truthfully there's nothing actually going against Steve at this point. A lot of that is observation that thought he might be leakbait. I do think leakbait is very possible for him. Minecraft being mentioned for over 6 months(almost a year now) with nothing is suspicious. But that applies to Erdrick too, who I feel could easily be leakbait. With Sora's apparent disconfirmation... it's possible the whole Square Seven thing was just that. I mean, other SE characters exist, at least?

 

[Namasura]

Another question about Verge and Erdrick, if you all don't mind: Was Verge even the first to say Erdrick was in? I know he said something about a Square Enix rep before he said Erdrick, if I recall correctly, but I am not sure if he was the first one to say Erdrick himself.

From what I understand, Vergeben started with "Square Enix reps" with the 7 squares which is pretty much the characters people had on their radar for SE anyway. For DQ they had three characters, Luminary, Slime and Erdrick. Erdrick and Slime were common names in DQ for Smash speculation and Luminary was the latest character, all 'safe' picks. Eventually, they shifted to a DQ character and then to Erdrick when 5ch and the datamine happened. So in a sense he had Erdrick on a list before most people considered him, but it was among many other characters and they had just picked all the 'likely' DQ picks and only started endorsing Erdrick after other leads appeared.

 

[CannonStreak]

Truthfully there's nothing actually going against Steve at this point. A lot of that is observation that thought he might be leakbait. I do think leakbait is very possible for him. Minecraft being mentioned for over 6 months(almost a year now) with nothing is suspicious. But that applies to Erdrick too, who I feel could easily be leakbait. With Sora's apparent disconfirmation... it's possible the whole Square Seven thing was just that. I mean, other SE characters exist, at least?

The leakbait part is what I meant, actually. Pretty sure this doesN'T disconfirm him, but that leakbait thing did make me feel better about Banjo.

Speaking of Steve, the first leak that brought him up, the 5channel or whatever it was, was that fake?

 

[ivanlerma]

The leakbait part is what I meant, actually. Pretty sure this doesN'T disconfirm him, but that leakbait thing did make me feel better about Banjo.

Speaking of Steve, the first leak that brought him up, the 5channel or whatever it was, was that fake?

it mention Persona 5:Royal releasing this year, but was wrong.

 

[CannonStreak]

it mention Persona 5:Royal releasing this year, but was wrong.

Did it also mention something about Jack Frost from Atlus being there with Joker in some way?

 

[ivanlerma]

Did it also mention something about Jack Frost from Atlus being there with Joker in some way?

i don't think so

 

[SneakyLink]

Did it also mention something about Jack Frost from Atlus being there with Joker in some way?

I think that was a different one.

The one you're thinking of didn't go into details on Joker and Erdrick

 

[CannonStreak]

I think that was a different one.

The one you're thinking of didn't go into details on Joker and Erdrick

I see. It was one that was debunked on PushDustin's Twitter.

 

[Planet Cool]

I've been thinking... if Steve and Banjo were both on the table, and the choice was entirely up to Sakurai, I'm pretty sure he'd pick Banjo without reservation. But Sakurai did say that Nintendo chose the DLC characters, or gave him a list of characters to choose from or something like that. Would Nintendo rather see Steve for the cross-promotion?

 

[Guynamednelson]

But Sakurai did say that Nintendo chose the DLC characters, or gave him a list of characters to choose from or something like that

The DLC was chosen by Nintendo, and Sakurai could only reject a fighter if he couldn't make them "dance".

 

[Blue Mint]

I've been thinking... if Steve and Banjo were both on the table, and the choice was entirely up to Sakurai, I'm pretty sure he'd pick Banjo without reservation. But Sakurai did say that Nintendo chose the DLC characters, or gave him a list of characters to choose from or something like that. Would Nintendo rather see Steve for the cross-promotion?

No... i don't think that...
Sakurai will choose Steve over Banjo, because he likes the odd characters with weird movesets, like Mr. G&W, and the placing block thing is something that he would like, maybe is a little hard to develop, but i just don't see how Sakurai will like Banjo, even a Steve Kirby will look odd and that's good for him, you know.
I think you guys need to believe in Phil Spencer, he is your key now...

 

[AngrySun88]

I think it would be harder to create a moveset for Steve, and to be honest, I don't think his blocky ascetic would fit in with Smash Bros. I think Steve would work much better as a Mii costume.

Banjo, meanwhile, has a moveset practically gift wrapped for Sakurai.

 

[Guynamednelson]

because he likes the odd characters with weird movesets, like Mr. G&W

Yes, but they don't take up the majority of the roster, especially not the DLC choices we've had. The thing I wonder is if Sakurai will think his Steve moveset is too defensive for a game he wants to have more offensive gameplay than Brawl/4.

 

[Shawksta]

Let’s pretend Banjo got confirmed.

What would you like to see as his reveal? I got 2 scenarios, one referencing Banjo being part of the N64’s legacy or shenanigans with K Rool and/or Diddy due to Rare relations

 

[Planet Cool]

No... i don't think that...
Sakurai will choose Steve over Banjo, because he likes the odd characters with weird movesets, like Mr. G&W, and the placing block thing is something that he would like, maybe is a little hard to develop, but i just don't see how Sakurai will like Banjo, even a Steve Kirby will look odd and that's good for him, you know.

I disagree. So far, Smash Ultimate has been all about giving fans what they want. Sakurai even gave us Ridley, even though he'd said outright that he didn't think Ridley was a good idea. Now, he's been getting requests for Banjo since Smash 64. There's no way he wouldn't add them if given the chance.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Let’s pretend Banjo got confirmed.

What would you like to see as his reveal? I got 2 scenarios, one referencing Banjo being part of the N64’s legacy or shenanigans with K Rool and/or Diddy due to Rare relations

It depresses me how Sakurai said don't expect anymore high budget reveal trailers because it's hard for them. I am honestly expecting Ryu level reveal with its just some flashy effects when Banjo does a taunt or something.

 

[AngrySun88]

I disagree. So far, Smash Ultimate has been all about giving fans what they want. Sakurai even gave us Ridley, even though he'd said outright that he didn't think Ridley was a good idea. Now, he's been getting requests for Banjo since Smash 64. There's no way he wouldn't add them if given the chance.

Didn't Sakurai also say that they were using the Ballot? Banjo's been heavily requested since Melee. We got K Rool. We got Ridley. Banjo seems like the last big character left that the fans have been asking for (aside from Geno who I don't think is likely) who hasn't got in.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Let’s pretend Banjo got confirmed.

What would you like to see as his reveal? I got 2 scenarios, one referencing Banjo being part of the N64’s legacy or shenanigans with K Rool and/or Diddy due to Rare relations

I'd rather have the first. Something with Banjo remembering the "good ol'days" while dreaming, until Kazooie wakes him up in a similar fashion to the first game. Turns out they got some mail...