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Social Banjo-Kazooie Social Thread - Project Dream Come True!

ChunkySlugger72

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I'm for it happening.
Right back at you man.

Crash Bandicoot is my 2nd most wanted 3rd Party Character after Banjo-Kazooie and my favorite genre is platformers both 2D and 3D, I also love wacky cartoony animal mascots as they are my favorite video game character archtype.

Though I grew up on the N64, Outside of my Nintendo Bubble I still had some nostalgia and exposure of Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragon on the PS1 back then and even picked up the N.Sane Trilogy back when it came out on PS4 when I still had it and will probably get CTR Nitro Fueled on the Switch.

It's great to see the Bandicoot make a comeback and have a spotlight in the modern video game landscape, I just hope the same thing happens to the Bear and Bird too.

It would've been funnier if Bill Gates himself did think they owned DK after buying Rare.
Bill Gates: "Yeah !!! We got Donkey Kong !!!"
Everybody knows who Donkey Kong is !!! This is a historic day for Microsoft and the Xbox brand !!!"

(Executive whispers into ear)

Bill Gates: "Wait what ? So we didn't get DK ?"

(Executive shakes head)

Bill Gates: "Well then who did we get?"

(Executive whispers into ear)

Bill Gates: "Banjo-Kazoo ?" "Aren't those some kind of instruments?"

(Executive shakes head and hands a picture)

Bill Gates: "Some hillbilly bear & smartass bird ?"
"Well.. their kind of cool... I guess... maybe we can do something with them"

(Executive happily nods in agreement and walks away)

Bill Gates: (Proceeds to crumble up picture of Banjo-Kazooie in disappointment and throws it into the pile of their newly acquired Rare IP's.)
 
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It is an interesting consideration, although a bit tricky. I'm not sure if Disney's fine with Mickey / Donald / Goofy (even if it's just their KH versions) being in Smash - even if it's as limited as just Spirits or background elements - by virtue of Sora being a playable character. The three characters are pretty much ubiqoutous and famous around the world, so if any of them show up in some form - again, even if limited to Spirits - tons of people will take note and tough questions will be raised. On the other, bringing in KH without bringing in the Disney content will bring up several tough questions too, since Sora's linked to the latter two especially. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That's not getting into the whole "non-video game characters" conundrum (which some here are very much against, and for understandable reasons). I'm pretty sure we would have viewed this much differently had Nintendo gotten Harry Potter's video game rights AND somehow gotten him into 64 or Melee. Keyword being somehow. Because then we wouldn't have grown up considering Smash as "The Video Game Crossover Fighting Game".
Harry Potter was not nearly what it is today back in 1999. Even if Nintendo had rights, I doubt we would have seen him in Smash.

As for Sora- I dont think we need Disney characters. Even still, a nice triple circle firework in the alluding to the shape of Mickey's icon would suffice, from my book.
 

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I don't know how I feel about people forever thinking Banjo is a Nintendo franchise to be the reason Banjo won't come back.
He probably should’ve worded it better. But I’m pretty sure he’s trying to say that the main reason there hasn’t been any new projects for Banjo & Kazzoie from Microsoft is because Banjo’s main audience and appeal are with Nintendo and fits their image better than Microsoft’s. Although Microsoft was quick enough to get their rights to Rare’s property, they weren’t quick enough to help cement Banjo & Kazooie with their audience and by the time they did try with Nuts & Bolts, it was too late (at least mostly for them).

Microsoft during the late Xbox/Xbox 360 was known to be for a more mature audience, with shooters and more realistic games being extremely popular, online multiplayer, and their motto even today, is to provide the most powerful graphics on the market for consoles. There’s a reason why the late 2000’s to early 2010’s was considered to be the gritty era, which was also the time Banjo & Kazzoie for the Xbox 360 was being developed and seemed to contrast that by being a more jolly platformer.

It was probably the reason they Nuts and Bolts became a Racing/Shooter game when it was released. The way Banjo was initially announced as a game that would be reminiscent of the originals on N64 seemed to be what the developers had in mind when the project started, but as they were developing the game, the higher ups at either Microsoft or Rare thought that the Xbox’s market would be too alienating for a traditional Banjo and Kazzoie title and shifted their focus to help “fit” with Xbox’s current market. This is pretty evident in not only remnants of their work such as the environments and how despite their large size are barren, but also how the game literally makes jabs at how “kids just want to shoot stuff these days” and how they need to “broaden their demographic”. L.O.G at the beginning sort of personifies the higher ups beliefs that Banjo and Kazooie wouldn’t sell well or be as big on their platform because of Xbox’s marketing and appeal at the time.

And it’s also why they most likely didn’t proceed with another game since. Nuts and Bolts was received as okay by most people, most of Rare’s main team behind many of their hit games during Rare’s Golden era have already left by that point, other attempts at testing the platform genre haven’t lived up to expectations, and Banjo’s main audience mostly on Nintendo consoles. Microsoft most likely isn’t sure if Banjo Kazzoie would really succeed on Xbox. There is an outlier, with Minecraft, as similar to Rare, Mojang was bought by them, but unlike previously, they learned from their mistakes and pushed it as much as they could when the game was it’s peak of it’s popularity (which as accompanied by the fact that they paid 3.5 billion for it), and Microsoft and Minecraft have been considered to be synonymous with eachother.

There actually may be a chance for them to come back, and not as a spin off ordeal like last time. With rumors of Xbox Live (and Game Pass?) being available on Nintendo Switch later on, Xbox has slowly been trying to bridge the Nintendo player base with Xbox over the past couple of years. And if it goes as far as having some exclusive titles come over (as it may be the case), the closer they may be willing to give Banjo and Kazzoie another shot, but with Nintendo at their side this time.

Of course this is my speculation so take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Yooka Laylee is closer to Banjo Kazooie 3 than nuts and bolts is, although there is a GBA game they should've fiddled around with remaking.
 

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You my friend have excellent taste, Not only are your favorite characters from my top 3 favorite Nintendo franchises, But Is it just a coincidence or do you love Reptile/Lizard/Dinosaur/Dragon characters like I do?

- Yoshi is my all time favorite video game character. (Yoshi's Story was my first ever video game, So I have a soft spot for the dino)

- Charizard (I've been a hardcore Pokemon fan since Gen 1 and Charmander's evolution line is where my love for the franchise all started)

- King K Rool (Big fan of Donkey Kong and Rareware, love the Country series, But grew up mainly on DK 64 and that's where I've come to love the big Kroc)

Oh I most certainly do love Reptile/Dinosaur/Dragon type characters

Favorite MK character Reptile
Favorite race in Elder Scrolls Argonians
Favorite Soul Calibur character Lizardman

Those are just a few examples lol

Yoshi has been my all time favorite since I was little, back when I played Super Mario World i would go out of my way to find him on every stage

From day one when I saw the Kremlings I was hooked and when I got to the end of DKC and I saw K. Rool it was instant I thought he was awesome

Banjo was my favorite in Diddy Kong Racing (aside from Krunch) because I love bears, then when I saw he was getting his own game I knew I needed it. I put an unhealthy amount of hours into Banjo-Kazooie...


Bringing up the rear but certainly not anywhere less important is Charizard he's the reason I wanted Pokemon Red (despite my favorite color being blue) Charizard has been my fire type in every game that I could get him in or trade him too.
 

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Yooka Laylee is closer to Banjo Kazooie 3 than nuts and bolts is, although there is a GBA game they should've fiddled around with remaking.
The GBA game is awesome. Very much exactly what a GBA Banjo Kazooie should have been.
 

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The GBA game is awesome. Very much exactly what a GBA Banjo Kazooie should have been.
I can't believe I have yet to played "Grunty's Revenge" seeing how I grew up with the GBA ,But other than the Super Mario World and Donkey Kong Country ports it was pretty much a dedicated Pokemon machine for me.

I have been snooping around for a copy and should be able to get some fun out of it around $5 - $10.
 
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He probably should’ve worded it better. But I’m pretty sure he’s trying to say that the main reason there hasn’t been any new projects for Banjo & Kazzoie from Microsoft is because Banjo’s main audience and appeal are with Nintendo and fits their image better than Microsoft’s. Although Microsoft was quick enough to get their rights to Rare’s property, they weren’t quick enough to help cement Banjo & Kazooie with their audience and by the time they did try with Nuts & Bolts, it was too late (at least mostly for them).

Microsoft during the late Xbox/Xbox 360 was known to be for a more mature audience, with shooters and more realistic games being extremely popular, online multiplayer, and their motto even today, is to provide the most powerful graphics on the market for consoles. There’s a reason why the late 2000’s to early 2010’s was considered to be the gritty era, which was also the time Banjo & Kazzoie for the Xbox 360 was being developed and seemed to contrast that by being a more jolly platformer.

It was probably the reason they Nuts and Bolts became a Racing/Shooter game when it was released. The way Banjo was initially announced as a game that would be reminiscent of the originals on N64 seemed to be what the developers had in mind when the project started, but as they were developing the game, the higher ups at either Microsoft or Rare thought that the Xbox’s market would be too alienating for a traditional Banjo and Kazzoie title and shifted their focus to help “fit” with Xbox’s current market. This is pretty evident in not only remnants of their work such as the environments and how despite their large size are barren, but also how the game literally makes jabs at how “kids just want to shoot stuff these days” and how they need to “broaden their demographic”. L.O.G at the beginning sort of personifies the higher ups beliefs that Banjo and Kazooie wouldn’t sell well or be as big on their platform because of Xbox’s marketing and appeal at the time.

And it’s also why they most likely didn’t proceed with another game since. Nuts and Bolts was received as okay by most people, most of Rare’s main team behind many of their hit games during Rare’s Golden era have already left by that point, other attempts at testing the platform genre haven’t lived up to expectations, and Banjo’s main audience mostly on Nintendo consoles. Microsoft most likely isn’t sure if Banjo Kazzoie would really succeed on Xbox. There is an outlier, with Minecraft, as similar to Rare, Mojang was bought by them, but unlike previously, they learned from their mistakes and pushed it as much as they could when the game was it’s peak of it’s popularity (which as accompanied by the fact that they paid 3.5 billion for it), and Microsoft and Minecraft have been considered to be synonymous with eachother.

There actually may be a chance for them to come back, and not as a spin off ordeal like last time. With rumors of Xbox Live (and Game Pass?) being available on Nintendo Switch later on, Xbox has slowly been trying to bridge the Nintendo player base with Xbox over the past couple of years. And if it goes as far as having some exclusive titles come over (as it may be the case), the closer they may be willing to give Banjo and Kazzoie another shot, but with Nintendo at their side this time.

Of course this is my speculation so take it with a grain of salt.
Thanks for elaborating further on what I meant in my own post, you put it into some better words than I did
 

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May might be like that the whole month. Though we might go back into speculation considering all the leaks that could come out like a week or two before E3.
The closer we get to E3, the more fake leaks will surface.

Also the more likely that a legitimate leak will surface.
 

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Yooka Laylee is closer to Banjo Kazooie 3 than nuts and bolts is, although there is a GBA game they should've fiddled around with remaking.
I'd give every internal organ that isn't entirely required to live for a Remake of Grunty's Revenge.
 

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Don't attack other fanbases
Surprised there haven't been already. Is 4chan taking a nap?
A few fake leaks have popped up here and there. One laughable one was Chrono, Steve, Cuphead, and Doomguy, propogated by some French-men that is basically akin to a Text leak.

Another pus-filled boil that has recently been forming on the cancerous mass of /V/ was the lie that Japan hates Banjo-Kazooie. No doubt a lie started by the Blockheads; this started when some rando twitter user posted a Sleeping Rayman and Banjo meme to emulate how the Smash community would react to Edrick getting a spot on the DLC roster. Another rando Japanese Twitter user responded negatively and now the Blockheads are using this as ammo to claim Banjo will never never happen because Japan hates Banjo-Kazooie. Not only is this dumb, but it's based on compete untruths since the Japanese poster showed support for western characters. This touches on the low Dragon Quest popularity in the west and those trolls are making a false equivalency between that and the claim that Japan hates our Bear and Bird.

This is yet another pathetic attempt by the Blockheads to gaslight the Anti-Banjo rhetoric, especially since E3 is so close. I know this is barely news, but I feel it's fun to keep up with these morons and how they are pathetically flailing around to troll Banjo-fans. Don't fall for their lies, just laugh at them instead.
 
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Chrono, Steve, Cuphead, and Doomguy,
I mean...that would still be a pretty decent DLC list outside of Steve.

but having two Microsoft characters and not one of them being Master Chief throws that all out the window.
 
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I mean...that would still be a pretty decent DLC list outside of Steve.

but having two Microsoft characters and not one of them being Master Chief throws that all out the window.
Cuphead's the only good one. Doom's okay but there are way better shooter reps.
 

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Someone posted either a quoted interview or a link to an article like 20pages or so ago from an interview about how Microsoft did think they were getting DK in the Rare buyout.

I don’t remember who posted it...it was like late March/early April.
 

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This might be a bit off topic but I was thinking recently of what if they put console exclusive characters into CTR Nitro-Fueled. The Switch would get Diddy Kong, PS4 would get Ratchet and Clank, and Xbone would get Banjo & Kazooie. How would that make you guys feel.
 

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totsBS, our resident Scott poster, and one of the best guys here, has left this place for good.

He had a personal stake in regards to Banjo & Kazooie getting in Smash. And he asked me to carry his torch.

Banjo and Kazooie better be in this game, not for me, but for him.
 

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This might be a bit off topic but I was thinking recently of what if they put console exclusive characters into CTR Nitro-Fueled. The Switch would get Diddy Kong, PS4 would get Ratchet and Clank, and Xbone would get Banjo & Kazooie. How would that make you guys feel.


It's not like we'll be seeing a Diddy Kong Racing sequel any time soon. Or Diddy in flipping Mario Kart 8 which will never not tick me off.
 

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I don't know if I missed it, but my thoughts on Squeenix:

1- Sora. He has international appeal, and is part of one of few crossover series to even approach the level of Smash, having its long awaited sequel finally release. Easy number one.
2- Lara Croft. As a series, Tomb Raider is unparalleled in fame. This is in part because of the 3 movies, and historic visual appeal of the character. She seems simpler to implement since we have a direct base in Bayonetta (who I always thought should have been Lara, in terms of inclusion into Smash).
3- Dragon Quest. Erdrick. Slime. It does not matter much to me. This point in the list is significantly lower than the first two, and I only have it here because of the significance of the series.
4- Anyone else. Crono. Geno. Doesn't really matter to me. Normally I prefer a new series, which should put Crono above Geno, but honestly, not only have I no connection to these characters, but I'm not a fan of third parties being used for what feels (logical or not) to be minutae.

Only one option for me from Rare. Even Battletoads, my number two, would not satiate.
 

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Cuphead's the only good one. Doom's okay but there are way better shooter reps.
I'm just curious who you think would make a better shooter rep. Because Doom is one of the father games of the shooter genre. I mean there's Wolfenstein and Duke Nukem which I see no possibility of happening.
 
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Stop building yourselves up for disappointment.

He publicly apologized to his Japanese fans for not adding in Rex(another generic anime swordsman) Sakurai has never done this for anyone else. All the while he types this out https://twitter.com/sora_sakurai/status/1059958663316615168?lang=en ALL IN ENGLISH. THere is NO version of this message in Japanese.

We got two more characters Sakurai wanted(he has stated he's wanted Inceneroar and Joker) over Shovel Knight or any other fans requested western character.
 

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I'm going to keep my expectations low and assume Sakurai will pick Minecraft Steve over Banjo for the same reason he picked Joker. If B&K are in, then great! If it's Minecraft, then it's money I don't have to waste. :)


EDIT: All I know is that B&K was considered in 64 and Melee, but because Rare was being bought by Microsoft, it never happened. I have no idea if Sakurai still would do it, who knows?
 
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>assuming Rex missed the boat not because of timing, but assuming he'd fight exactly like most of the other Super Sword Bros

Yeah, no, I don't know about that one chief. His series gave us Shulk, who does have a gimmick to make him stand out.
 
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Stop building yourselves up for disappointment.

He publicly apologized to his Japanese fans for not adding in Rex(another generic anime swordsman) Sakurai has never done this for anyone else. All the while he types this out https://twitter.com/sora_sakurai/status/1059958663316615168?lang=en ALL IN ENGLISH. THere is NO version of this message in Japanese.

We got two more characters Sakurai wanted(he has stated he's wanted Inceneroar and Joker) over Shovel Knight or any other fans requested western character.


I will give you Incineroar (his reasoning behind Inci over Deci was bascially "Lol i like Wrestlers") but regarding Sakurai's apolgy, i need to see that myself.

You had no issue linking me that Twitter post, after all.
 

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I guess technically he's not wrong. Rex could have been DLC instead of Joker or one of the other 4. Not that this has anything to do with Banjo.
 
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>assuming Rex missed the boat not because of timing, but assuming he'd fight exactly like most of the other Super Sword Bros

Yeah, no, I don't know about that one chief. His series gave us Shulk, who does have a gimmick to make him stand out.
Ultimate brought back Wolf and added in K. Rool, Isabelle, and Incineroar. Clearly this means that Banjo would not do anything original.
 

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I guess technically he's not wrong. Rex could have been DLC instead of Joker or one of the other 4. Not that this has anything to do with Banjo.
Rex's name might not have been on the list that Nintendo gave him. If speculation is correct the list might have been ALL third party characters. So he couldn't add Rex even if he wanted to.

But you have to hand it to the popularity of Xenoblade where a character not getting in deserves an apology. Most other fanbases would kill just for that acknowledgement.
 
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Rex's name might not have been on the list that Nintendo gave him. If speculation is correct the list might have been ALL third party characters. So he couldn't add Rex even if he wanted to.

But you have to hand it to the popularity of Xenoblade where a character not getting in deserves an apology. Most other fanbases would kill just for that acknowledgement.
Actually it is kinda sad, most people were sure as hell that a new Xenobalde character would be added to Ultimate, wether be Elma, Rex and Pyra/Mythra, or even Cross.

and yet, no one came. It reminds me of the times people were sure a DK Newcomer was happening in Smash 4.
 

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Actually it is kinda sad, most people were sure as hell that a new Xenobalde character would be added to Ultimate, wether be Elma, Rex and Pyra/Mythra, or even Cross.

and yet, no one came. It reminds me of the times people were sure a DK Newcomer was happening in Smash 4.
Would you say the only reason the apology was issued was because Sakurai was aware how many people were expecting a new Xenoblade rep?
 
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Would you say the only reason the apology was issued was because Sakurai was aware how many people were expecting a new Xenoblade rep?
Im not sure i would say that. I mean, i haven't seen that supposed "Apology" by Sakurai yet.
 

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Would you say the only reason the apology was issued was because Sakurai was aware how many people were expecting a new Xenoblade rep?
Who knows, there have certainly been more requested characters who haven't gotten on the roster that were never mentioned by Sakurai.
 
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Bold move to compare the Xenoblade franchise to Donkey Kong.

I think people only expected a new Xenoblade character- if they did- because Smash 4 added almost in entirety, recently made characters.

Donkey Kongs thought they would get a character because it was overlooked for three games in a row.
 

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Rex's name might not have been on the list that Nintendo gave him. If speculation is correct the list might have been ALL third party characters. So he couldn't add Rex even if he wanted to.

But you have to hand it to the popularity of Xenoblade where a character not getting in deserves an apology. Most other fanbases would kill just for that acknowledgement.
I kind of wish we got Rex. Even though I never played any of the games he looked cool to be a fighter. Also wish we got legit Springman. Oh well, I'm always grateful that K.Rool got it. Dudes fun to play.
 

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The big character I wish we had gotten was Dixie in Brawl.
Sure, Brawl would have had a weird mechanic of the two in one, but both would have probably gotten into Smash 4 as separate characters, which would continue to this day.
 
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