Social Banjo-Kazooie Social Thread - Project Dream Come True!

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Okay, so explain why all the third-party DLC characters only were revealed in Directs.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Smash 4 also had odd reveals too, as noted by Pac-Man. Sakurai has been more adamant about trailer reveals being worldwide now. Which is why Joker's reveal didn't have a trailer, since it was a non-Eastern event. He also made sure all characters for base were revealed before Smash Ultimate released, which is different from previous games. He's done things quite a bit differently these days.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Mii Fighters and Palutena were shown off together because E3 was where they had the big blowout regarding information about character customization.

I think it also has to do with Palutena's trailer having more work put into it than Pac-Man's.

 

[TheAnvil]

Okay, so explain why all the third-party DLC characters only were revealed in Directs.

Huh?
Joker was revealed at the VGAs and Ryu, who was the biggest name of the DLC newcomers cast was revealed at E3.

E3 only comes once a year, so that only really leaves directs for other reveals.

 

[Deleted member]

Banjo would be another internet breaking reveal

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Joker was revealed at VGA, but only as a mention. His proper trailer was dropped worldwide.

We're getting a Nintendo direct at e3 this year(so it'll still be worldwide, if we get a character there, which is extremely likely). Things have changed. All the reveals(with trailers) have been worldwide for Ultimate. I doubt this'll change.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Huh?
Joker was revealed at the VGAs and Ryu, who was the biggest name of the DLC newcomers cast was revealed at E3.

E3 only comes once a year, so that only really leaves directs for other reveals.

Oh, someone should update this then.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Downloadable_content_(SSB4)

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Rare are working on some sort of project that isn't just Sea of Thieves or Battletoads.

Hopefully we see it at E3.

I dream it's Banjo-Threeie, but I won't hold my breath for that even if Banjo & Kazooie are announced for Smash at E3. There is a higher chance of Rare Replay getting ported to the Switch or the N64 Mini being announced than Banjo-Threeie.

I'll never understand why they revealed Pac-Man the way they did, when they could have revealed him at the tournament.

I think we will get two characters as well, because that has always been the case for E3.

I agree. It would have made a lot more sense for Pac-Man to have been revealed at E3 instead of Palutena or the Miis.

 

[LogFrog]

This is seriously going to be the longest wait til E3 ever, and it’s only about a month from now!

 

[RetrogamerMax]

This is seriously going to be the longest wait til E3 ever, and it’s only about a month from now!

The wait through May is going to feel just as long as waiting for Joker for 4 months honestly. I might stay away from speculation in May so the wait won't feel longer to me.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

This is seriously going to be the longest wait til E3 ever, and it’s only about a month from now!

It's the opposite for me, the closer we get to E3, the faster it'll be. It's actually getting to May that's slow right now.

 

[TheAnvil]

Oh, someone should update this then.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Downloadable_content_(SSB4)

Well, it was a (pre) E3 Smash direct.

 

[CosmicQuark]

the head of rare not only turned down a a BK/BT remake but said to just go play a hat in time/yookalaylee/mario odessy/ Crash remakes instead that there is no reason for a remake with all those games out & with the XBLA vertions of BK/BT games on gamepass

It's not like a platformer like Crash would make a ton of money simply remaking their old games from the 90s. There are plenty of other 3D platformers out there. smh

As I've said, Rare is dead (to me, at least). Any hope for something new would come from someone else taking the franchise, which I'm not holding my breath for.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

It's not like a platformer like Crash would make a ton of money simply remaking their old games from the 90s. There are plenty of other 3D platformers out there. smh

As I've said, Rare is dead (to me, at least). Any hope for something new would come from someone else taking the franchise, which I'm not holding my breath for.

If they can hand Battletoads off to another studio for a new game there’s hope for Banjo too

 

[RetrogamerMax]

If they can hand Battletoads off to another studio for a new game there’s hope for Banjo too

Hopefully Mircosoft and Nintendo will both allow Retro Studios to make Banjo-Threeie. A man can dream right?!

 

[Deleted member]

So anyone remembers watching this VHS?

By the way the voiceover is the same actor that played Jay Sherman in the Critic.

 

[TheTrueBrawler]

I support Banjo and Kazooie getting in Smash Bros. I think he would make a nice DLC fighter.

 

[hinode]

Hopefully Mircosoft and Nintendo will both allow Retro Studios to make Banjo-Threeie. A man can dream right?!

There's absolutely no reason for Nintendo to do that when they could have Rare work on a Nintendo owned IP like Donkey Kong or Metroid and pocket 100% of the profits.

Which, I might add, is exactly what Retro is doing right now.

 

[Bubblestand]

So anyone remembers watching this VHS?

By the way the voiceover is the same actor that played Jay Sherman in the Critic.

Yes!!!

 

[CosmicQuark]

If they can hand Battletoads off to another studio for a new game there’s hope for Banjo too

When I saw Battletoads, it was encouraging. But I don't think Rare or Microsoft believe Banjo & Kazooie fit their demo. And they don't, which is why they belong with Nintendo. That's not going to happen any time soon. So while I think it's possible, and I personally believe it has major potential, I feel the chances are low.

And ideally, I'd rather see Banjo & Kazooie in Smash than a new game--there's much potential for them to screw up the latter, whereas if the former happened, it would likely be perfect. I'd go for a remake in the vein of the Crash reboots. In my fantasy scenario, they make Banjo-Threeie with some of the older devs, and then remake the original two in the new style for a complete package.

So anyone remembers watching this VHS?

By the way the voiceover is the same actor that played Jay Sherman in the Critic.

Yeeeeeees, I re-watched that VHS so many times. I probably still have it here--somewhere. I loved watching that, and memorized a lot of the lines, repeating them before they were said. And I loved watching that clip of the final fight, as I could never get past Rusty Bucket Bay for the longest time, thinking it looks so cool and was excited to eventually get there. When I finally did, it was awesome--and then that Jinjonator thing popped out and completely surprised me.

 

[SKX31]

If they can hand Battletoads off to another studio for a new game there’s hope for Banjo too

There's hope, I'm just a bit uncertain about the scope really. I'm not trying to be mean, just to point out:

Battletoads is a much more straightforward game in concept. Simple beat em up, Point A to Point B levels mixing things up with platforming, hoverbike sections, various smaller "minigames" like OHMYGODANOTHERBLOODYRATRACE?

B-K, meanwhile, oh boy. Both mainline games are collect-a-thons with 9-10 rather large levels. Also, each level as a rule has a checklist of stuff: Jiggies, Jinjos and Notes, all of which serve to progress the game in some fashion. Also, those levels tend to have extra stuff in them, especially Tooie. Banjo fans are going to expect Threeie to follow Kazooie / Tooie's example.

Point is, that's why I've been harping on getting a competent dev team first. I do have hope, but it's going to take time.

 

[Ovaltine]

I had the VHS as a child and got rid of it like the dumbass I was. One of my biggest regrets ever, honestly.

Watch as Banjo-Kazooie gets revealed for the Fighter's Pass through a VHS sent to Nintendo's offices, narrated by Jon Lovitz and everything. Ice cream headaches ahoy! Wahey!

 

[TheAnvil]

Battletoads is different because it's basically all gameplay and 2D Arcade style games are more simple to perfect.

With Banjo you have to consider writing/humour, sound/music, new character designs, new moves, controls, puzzles, and most importantly world design. When all of those things aren't perfect like they are in BK/BT, you get Yooka-Laylee. Which, while I enjoyed Yooka a lot of people didn't.

 

[Deleted member]

(BEWARE OF THE JUMPSCARE BETWEEN 05:30 and 05:40)

Does anybody remember watching this? It was orginally on Youtube over a decade ago, but it was taken down because "MUH COPYRIGHT". It was later re-uploader by the original maker, but without the music so a lot of the charm was lost.

Fortunately, the original version is on Dailymotion. I actually remember watching this, it takes me way back.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Battletoads is different because it's basically all gameplay and 2D Arcade style games are more simple to perfect.

With Banjo you have to consider writing/humour, sound/music, new character designs, new moves, controls, puzzles, and most importantly world design. When all of those things aren't perfect like they are in BK/BT, you get Yooka-Laylee. Which, while I enjoyed Yooka a lot of people didn't.

Indeed. I feel like many were biased against it before every playing it. It has some QOL issues, some really problematic. But all of that charm of the original is still there in characters and humor. Really felt like the love letter that it was. All of the negatives I can easily chalk up to them having to create a studio from scratch. I'm honestly impressed that it looks as good as it does.

For me personally, I would have preferred them to have smaller worlds, 9 like the original, even if it meant a graphical downgrade.

 

[Deleted member]

I’ll just leave this here for y’all

Be honest with me aside from popularaty ms and ninty being buds and verges mc content(which might be mii or bait) did steve ever had any evedence going for him?

 

[Mr. Stagg]

I’ll just leave this here for y’all

Is there more? I feel like you meant to post the reply to your question.

 

[CosmicQuark]

I’ll just leave this here for y’all

To be very frank, I never thought Steve had a chance. Then I saw the base roster and Piranha Plant and thought--I guess I have a different bar when it comes to characters.

As for rumors, Verge's rumors suggested they knew since August (EDIT: April), and they didn't finalize the roster until late 2019 or start working on characters since then. I don't know if testers were speculation or part of the rumors, but I feel like that's dead. But with that dead, so does the only evidence we have that Microsoft is even involved in Smash. I also don't see popularity being in Steve's favor, as even outside of Microsoft reps, I feel like there are far more popular contenders.

At this point, I can see all possibilities happening. Steve, no Steve, Banjo, no Banjo, no Microsoft rep at all. Outside of circumstantial evidence, which proved us wrong prior to Ultimate's release, there's nothing for either.

 

[Deleted member]

Is there more? I feel like you meant to post the reply to your question.

No it’s just that

 

[Ctoan]

We need a Banjo Kazooie Discord.

 

[Organization XIII]

We need a Banjo Kazooie Discord.

There is one already
https://discord.gg/CjAT8J

 

[Mr. Stagg]

There is one already
https://discord.gg/CjAT8J

Guarentee you that the Steve-trolls are going to end up raiding it with spam. Be careful since their little discord group loves to come here for Screencaps. Some peeps unaffiliated with us are part of that ****posting discord as "spies". I can guarantee you someone's going to join the Banjo-kazooie discord for that very same reason. Watch yourselves.

 

[LogFrog]

Guarentee you that the Steve-trolls are going to end up raiding it with spam. Be careful since their little discord group loves to come here for Screencaps. Some peeps unaffiliated with us are part of that ****posting discord as "spies". I can guarantee you someone's going to join the Banjo-kazooie discord for that very same reason. Watch yourselves.

To be fair the discord link is on the very first page of this thread in big, bold letters. They can easily do it, not sure if they have done it before.

 

[Mr. Stagg]

To be fair the discord link is on the very first page of this thread in big, bold letters. They can easily do it, not sure if they have done it before.

Never count on Blockhead trolls to be smart. Lot of them love to spread lies on 4chan claiming we do the same thing they do. Then again, its 4chan. Just expect trouble if some major leak or event goes down to make Banjo-kazooie more likely.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I don't believe Goku would be a license minefield. Otherwise that will apply to Ederick too. If Ederick is in, they would have had to negotiate with Bird Studios, SquareEnix and the Armour Project. So I believe Crono or Geno or no Square rep are more likely.

Or we'd get... a recurring character...like Lara Croft or Sora.

 

[TheAnvil]

Or we'd get... a recurring character...like Lara Croft or Sora.

Considering that Disney are on board with SEGA's Mega Drive classic system I actually don't think it's unreasonable to think they'd be on board with Smash if they were asked.

 

[SKX31]

Considering that Disney are on board with SEGA's Mega Drive classic system I actually don't think it's unreasonable to think they'd be on board with Smash if they were asked.

It is an interesting consideration, although a bit tricky. I'm not sure if Disney's fine with Mickey / Donald / Goofy (even if it's just their KH versions) being in Smash - even if it's as limited as just Spirits or background elements - by virtue of Sora being a playable character. The three characters are pretty much ubiqoutous and famous around the world, so if any of them show up in some form - again, even if limited to Spirits - tons of people will take note and tough questions will be raised. On the other, bringing in KH without bringing in the Disney content will bring up several tough questions too, since Sora's linked to the latter two especially. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That's not getting into the whole "non-video game characters" conundrum (which some here are very much against, and for understandable reasons). I'm pretty sure we would have viewed this much differently had Nintendo gotten Harry Potter's video game rights AND somehow gotten him into 64 or Melee. Keyword being somehow. Because then we wouldn't have grown up considering Smash as "The Video Game Crossover Fighting Game".

 

[Organization XIII]

On the other, bringing in KH without bringing in the Disney content will bring up several tough questions too, since Sora's linked to the latter two especially. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That's not really true. KH has way more than enough original elements that they don't need to bring in the non videogame elements and any fan of the series would be more than understanding of why they didn't need Donald or Goofy. Now, of course, some people will say something about but a majority of people are either going to know why or not care, so it's not a damned if you do or don't thing, it's a however they want to go about it thing.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That's not really true. KH has way more than enough original elements that they don't need to bring in the non videogame elements and any fan of the series would be more than understanding of why they didn't need Donald or Goofy. Now, of course, some people will say something about but a majority of people are either going to know why or not care, so it's not a damned if you do or don't thing, it's a however they want to go about it thing.

How do you think they would be able to translate a Final Smash for Sora without implementing Donald, Goofy, or any other of the Disney characters into it?

 

[Organization XIII]

How do you think they would be able to translate a Final Smash for Sora without implementing Donald, Goofy, or any other of the Disney characters.

Trinity Limit is able to be used without partners, Final Form is always an option, and KH3 has the second form from the Ultima Weapon or that scene with him riding on all the keyblades. There's even the team attack with Riku from 2 or the tandem Keyblade from 3D. There are plenty of options for Final Smashes for Sora because he's got so much he can do.