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[DutchPichu]

What is the source?

 

[Mr. Stagg]

It's a big fake. Dont bother with it. Seems way too convenient with the OP's explanation.

 

[MissingGlitch]

You know how long I have been wanting blue ganondorf and mewtwo by the miis? Don't take this away from me.

 

[ChinaCat]

i doubt your source, everyone knows smash players don't shower

found the plot hole lmao

While it's true we have all the information thanks to the internet, the Spirits fail to make me interested in the character and not enough for me to care to look them up. I think they should have at least given descriptions for each Spirit. Trophies were more convenient in that respect.

Plus, they were fun dioramas to mess around with which made collecting fun and rewarding. I personally love collecting nerdy models IRL so I am a little bias too.

Personally I feel like the spirits would be improved exponentially if they just had the game/franchise they are from. Even like one sentence about them. Something simple like: | Poo (earthbound) Ness's Companion and friend | would go a long way in my eyes. Often i'll get a spirit and be like what is this even from lol

 

[osby]

Personally I feel like the spirits would be improved exponentially if they just had the game/franchise they are from.

But...they do have the franchise/origin game included.

 

[Deleted member]

I have the feeling that Microsoft will get two reps if we end up getting more than one Fighter Pass.

But if we stick to only one, then we will only get a single rep of course.

But...they do have the franchise/origin game included.

Yup, in the Spirit Gallery.


Although it is kinda weird that some name the specific game the art comes from while others don’t (For example, most DK spirits not telling the game they comes from with the exception of the Jungle Beat ones which tell they do come indeed from that game).

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

It sucks how Trophy's got removed, I remember learning about facts from my favorite characters and franchises back in Melee and Brawl when I was younger .But it does make sense from development stand point that they were just way too much work for something that isn't really part of the core experience so I understand why it had to be cut.

I always felt and had the idea that they should have taken the "Baseball Card" approach, Have existing 2D Artwork on the front and on the back instead of stats the characters will have their:

- Name
- Franchise
- Debut Game and Year
- Major Appearances from Games
- Profile Description

Pretty much like trophy's, But while getting all the info is still a lot of work it would still save a ton of time from rendering 3D models and at the same time serves as a solid substitute to still showcase Nintendo's history.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

In any case, fans have picked up the slack.

https://smashultimatespirits.com/

Besides, it reduces the chances of slip-ups like for 's Brawl profile, and one of Ultimate's localizers not even bothering to look up a JP-only game character's name.

 

[Brothanigus]

Here's the source for that picture I posted on the last page: http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/458257331

As for the blue ganon and mewtwo this is what the poster said -
Because when a dev team work, they have first japanese version sent to german and english, then spanish, french etc... Traduce them, placeholder are here because it's for testing the menu with another character if the slots are available like they want. As this is just for testing, it's useless to traduce and it seems that the guy knows nothing in japanese, it's not his work.

It's not always working like that but for addings things, japanese devs takes the english version to add "quickly" some things, in that case english devs don't have to retraduce the entire game and change some things about some textures. Even if you have access to japanese language in the option, the true japanese version works not the same way as ours... Don't if I'm clear, but it works like that for a lot of studios

I don't believe this leak, but who knows. That picture of Ken was thought to be a fake.

 

[TheAnvil]

Here's the source for that picture I posted on the last page: http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/458257331

As for the blue ganon and mewtwo this is what the poster said -
Because when a dev team work, they have first japanese version sent to german and english, then spanish, french etc... Traduce them, placeholder are here because it's for testing the menu with another character if the slots are available like they want. As this is just for testing, it's useless to traduce and it seems that the guy knows nothing in japanese, it's not his work.

It's not always working like that but for addings things, japanese devs takes the english version to add "quickly" some things, in that case english devs don't have to retraduce the entire game and change some things about some textures. Even if you have access to japanese language in the option, the true japanese version works not the same way as ours... Don't if I'm clear, but it works like that for a lot of studios

I don't believe this leak, but who knows. That picture of Ken was thought to be a fake.

Actually the picture of Ken was practically unanimously believed to be real.

 

[Sigran101]

I'm honestly buying the Banjo rumors more than the Erdrick ones. I still don't trust leakers at all, but at least knowing about a character a month or so in advance is more reasonable than knowing one six months in advance from before the dlc even started development.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I'm honestly buying the Banjo rumors more than the Erdrick ones. I still don't trust leakers at all, but at least knowing about a character a month or so in advance is more reasonable than knowing one six months in advance from before the dlc even started development.

The only big name that didn't lose all their credibility left that is outright claiming Erdrick is tansuit. And he was claiming it for quite a long time before the game even released let alone when dlc was started to be worked on. I feel like tansuit is now riding off his Cloud popularity until no one listens to him.

Everyone else is just saying how they see Erdrick as likely.

 

[TheAnvil]

The only big name left that is outright claiming Erdrick is tansuit. And he was claiming it for quite a long time before the game even released let alone when dlc was started to be worked on. I feel like tansuit is now riding off his Cloud popularity until no one listens to him.

I don't necessarily think Edrick is the character, but I trust Tansut for the most part as he correctly gave us Cloud so a DQ is pretty likely. Although I don't necessarily understand why people consider him a lock for the 2nd character either. As I would be more inclined to believe a western-oriented character would be revealed/showcased/released during E3.

Ryce seems confident in Erdrick/DQ rep and Banjo and that should be somewhat comforting for us.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I don't necessarily think Edrick is the character, but I trust Tansut for the most part as he correctly gave us Cloud so a DQ is pretty likely. Although I don't necessarily understand why people consider him a lock for the 2nd character either. As I would be more inclined to believe a western-oriented character would be revealed/showcased/released during E3.

Ryce seems confident in Erdrick/DQ rep and Banjo and that should be somewhat comforting for us.

I still highly doubt he would know so early. The Cloud prediction was as least decently close to it's release.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I mean, there is Brave in the coding

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So, what's more credible? A character announced months in advance with no ambiguity, or a character that's announced shortly before release with a cryptic hint?

I'm starting to think Tansut actually got lucky with the source who told him about Cloud and let the 15 minutes of fame go to his head.

I mean, there is Brave in the coding

It could be any hero, including Crono.

Hell, you could even assume it's a super robot from the Brave Series and at least one person might believe you.

 

[TheAnvil]

I still highly doubt he would know so early. The Cloud prediction was as least decently close to it's release.

It's highly possible that a SE DLC was decided fairly early on as part of the deal to get Cloud back for the base game.

 

[Dinoman96]

Tansut on Era said that his source on Dragon Quest/Erdrick is the same source that told him about Cloud. He did a big write up about it here:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ride-is-still-on.91979/page-196#post-19573296

Oh hey I got a notification I was tagged! I might as well try to clear up as much as I can real quick to help avoid any confusion....

I found out about Cloud in September of that year. I was only told about him with the assurance I wouldn't leak it ahead of time. Trust me, I WISH I could have spilled the beans, but aside from respecting this person's wishes I also respected the fact that it would have spoiled a pretty amazing direct and in the end it was totally worth it. That thread was nuts.

I only started dabbling in being someone that talks like they know something when some leaks were going around a few days before the direct he was to be revealed in. Basically I responded to a few posts debunking some Smash leaks because they didn't have Cloud on them. I said something to the effect that nobody would believe me if I revealed what I knew anyway, but I felt like I ought to debunk what I could at the time regardless.

Then the day of the direct happens and since that thread was going at a ridiculous clip I decided to do a leak of Cloud in the guise of a Star Wars prediction (Luke the blonde protagonist with Cloud City as the stage). It wouldn't make any sense or give anything away before hand, but a couple people picked up on it after the fact.

After that I found out when he would be released, so I leaked that as a weather forecast saying it would be cloudy on that date. I was technically off on that, but only because I was told the Japan time release date and didn't realize it at the time.

Fast forward to Ultimate hype. In early-ish fall (I think) I heard about a leak that a certain company (you can fill in the dots here) was not happy about, and assumed it was an image leak. To this day I'm not sure if it was a Smash leak or maybe a Final Fantasy leak that caused some internal memos to be sent... just that they weren't happy about something that got out. The only other thing I ever found out beforehand was that the Grinch leak was most likely a fake, which I shared because I hated seeing people get hyped for something I was pretty sure wasn't going to go the way they hoped. I did not want to be right about that, for what it's worth.

This past December I got confirmation about Erdrick, or that at least that it's a DQ character as one of the DLC characters. I was never corrected when I used Erdrick as the name when talking to them, so I don't see a reason to assume it's someone else like Luminary. I got the feeling that I only found out then because they were, at that point, still in a very early state. I was told to not expect anything like a reveal soon, so I wasn't totally shocked he wasn't at the last direct, especially since Joker was still barely shown and he's farther along.

When is he coming? Honestly I dunno. Any date or timeframe I give is pure speculation, and I try to leave that out as much as possible since it just muddies the water.

So that's all I got. Well, other than apparently Cloud was a pricey fella to get into Smash.

Let me know if anything still is confusing!

It's pretty obvious that he has connections with someone in Square-Enix that knows about Smash Bros. negotiations.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I don't really get the whole complaint leveled about a character being known for so long. It's not like these deals happen in a vacuum, they happens months upon months in advance. A leak could happen at any time, hell, a leak could happen before a deal is even made if Sakurai was considering adding Erdrick earlier than when DLC was decided.

If information about Erdrick leaked at the same time that his deal was made, we would know about it for months on end prior to his release since he wasn't made as the first DLC character (And we do know that all DLC has been chosen for the first Fighter's Pass).

Not that I'm convinced we're getting Erdrick exclusively because of leakers or anything, it's entirely possible we don't get Erdrick or even a Square Enix character. That said, Erdrick certainly has probably the most amount of smoke in the "insider/leaker" communities and has had for ages, with only well, Banjo, really rivaling at this point since we've got multiple people claiming Banjo OR a Microsoft character. I have a tendency to believe that where there's this much smoke and this many people supporting something, there's reason to believe something is happening. It especially helps when Dragon Quest makes a lot of sense and Banjo Kazooie in Smash would also make a lot of sense on their own.

I know some people will point to certain characters as leakbait, but all that does is stall the conversation. It's the most basic push back against any character that "insiders" highlight that means you can't go any further with any conversation. Every character could be leakbait in theory, and if your goal is to avoid talking about insiders, I guess that's a way to de-legitimize their claims since the only way to actually counter that is to see who the character is. Sure, we've seen Nintendo seemingly publish leakbait with the Star Fox Grand Prix thing, but again, that wasn't known until after the fact it was actively revealed as such. I don't know, leakbait conversations always end up going nowhere...

At least Tansut, for as questionable as his reliability may be, seems pretty straightforward and willing to engage with the fan base about what he knows without being too much of an asshole (I'm looking at you Verge) and his one claim to fame, is very specifically on a Smash Bros, Square Enix DLC Character in the past, so it's not implausible to say he has some source at Square that could have told him information again.

Not to indicate that we should blindly believe "leakers" or perpetrate any particular agenda around forcing other people to believe their picks. I think we need to have more nuance and treat leakers differently depending on circumstances as opposed to the heavy push back against them that I've seen in the past couple of months. I mean we already treat Polar differently than most because she's one of us and pretty chill, I don't why we can't do that globally beyond people's residual resentment for Verge's initial sweep of the base roster.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So, if he is in here at all, what are the odds that Ed gets delayed to a possible second pass to screw with Tansut's source? Square-Enix higher-ups get pissy when anything gets leaked these days, even if it's just a harmless retweet for Smash Bros. fan wishes.

Not that I'm treating this as 100% true, I can't help but feel that something is off somehow. The February Direct would have been the perfect chance to reveal him if he is in there. Yes, Smash can overshadow Directs, but there was still some heavy DQ focus in that one (especially in the Japanese version, which had an exclusive DQ spin-off announcement).

Something just doesn't add up, and I can't put my finger on what it is.

 

[Mr. Stagg]

The only big name that didn't lose all their credibility left that is outright claiming Erdrick is tansuit. And he was claiming it for quite a long time before the game even released let alone when dlc was started to be worked on. I feel like tansuit is now riding off his Cloud popularity until no one listens to him.

Everyone else is just saying how they see Erdrick as likely.

Almost every Edrick "fan" nowadays is just riding off Tansuit. For all we know he just got extremely lucky and is hoping lightning will strike twice. Of course he's going to claim his Cloud source is the same for Edrick. Every leaker now is calling Ed-boy for this reason.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

So, if he is in here at all, what are the odds that Ed gets delayed to a possible second pass to screw with Tansut's source? Square-Enix higher-ups get pissy when anything gets leaked these days, even if it's just a harmless retweet for Smash Bros. fan wishes.

Not that I'm treating this as 100% true, I can't help but feel that something is off somehow. The February Direct would have been the perfect chance to reveal him if he is in there. Yes, Smash can overshadow Directs, but there was still some heavy DQ focus in that one (especially in the Japanese version, which had an exclusive DQ spin-off announcement).

Something just doesn't add up, and I can't put my finger on what it is.

Basically non-existent. Again, I don't see Nintendo getting bullied by any company to do things a certain way. They may agree to release information at a certain time or work with the parent company to do something more specific, but Smash is still their game at the end of the day and those companies have already signed agreements for their character to be in. Nintendo will do whatever it really wants at that point unless they somehow break contracts, which is unlikely.

I seriously doubt that Square Enix is that petty about leakers that they would delay content. Fire people? Sure. Crack down on leaks further? Sure. Actively mess with development out of spite for a leaker? Absolutely not, and I'm pretty sure Nintendo would just respond with a "What the ****? No." to such an unreasonable request if it did happen. You're not going to mess with business deals and agreements because of that sort of thing.

I've said this before, but February didn't make any sense to reveal any other character. We STILL don't know how Joker even plays, let alone have him released. At absolute best, the next character wouldn't be available until April as well in the event that they dropped Joker and announced a second character at his release that they dropped the day of. Which I think is pretty unreasonable since they seem to be pacing things out a bit more this time (at least in theory with Piranha Plant at the end of January, Joker in April), so really you're looking at around June at the earliest the second fighter would release. For one, Nintendo clearly put off talking about Smash to a later date that we're still waiting on, so you have the opportunity to announce him later on and closer to the date in such a presentation or at E3.

Which is all assuming that Erdrick even is the second character and not the last or somewhere else in the Fighter's Pass. He could be the absolute last character intended for all we know. And again, assuming that Erdrick is in, if he has nothing done in February when some Dragon Quest announcements are being made, what's the point of announcing him when he's god knows how far out? It wouldn't make sense to announce another character so early when Joker himself was pretty much announced too early and so far out.

But all of this is a moot point because Nintendo specifically mentioned that they had more Dragon Quest news coming in the future in their Dragon Quest segment of the last Direct, so he could just as easily show up when they talk about Dragon Quest 11 S in the future or whatever else they've got in store. And EVEN THAT'S assuming Sakurai cares in the slightest that he time a character reveal with news about the franchise.

February wasn't the "perfect" time to reveal Erdrick in the slightest.

 

[AugustusB]

So, if he is in here at all, what are the odds that Ed gets delayed to a possible second pass to screw with Tansut's source? Square-Enix higher-ups get pissy when anything gets leaked these days, even if it's just a harmless retweet for Smash Bros. fan wishes.

Not that I'm treating this as 100% true, I can't help but feel that something is off somehow. The February Direct would have been the perfect chance to reveal him if he is in there. Yes, Smash can overshadow Directs, but there was still some heavy DQ focus in that one (especially in the Japanese version, which had an exclusive DQ spin-off announcement).

Something just doesn't add up, and I can't put my finger on what it is.

I agree with you on this one. And the big thing about Tansut's claim is that he never got corrected by his source when he used Erdrick's name.

The way I read this is he trusts his source to not screw him over OR his source is not 100% certain on who the DQ Rep is. Since he first said that he got confirmation on Erdrick or rather a DQ Character.

It seems like a rookie mistake to not confirm with your source "Hey, its Erdrick right?" 'Oh yeah it is'

Also, also, the last little bit makes me think he hasn't heard from his source since December.

Ohhhh....right, Banjo Thread.....Things are looking pretty great in our Duo's favor eh!? "Sips at the water cooler."

 

[UnknownJ25]

The thing I'm worried about with Erdrick being confirmed is all the Vergeben rumors coming back full force

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I agree with you on this one. And the big thing about Tansut's claim is that he never got corrected by his source when he used Erdrick's name.

The way I read this is he trusts his source to not screw him over OR his source is not 100% certain on who the DQ Rep is. Since he first said that he got confirmation on Erdrick or rather a DQ Character.

It seems like a rookie mistake to not confirm with your source "Hey, its Erdrick right?" 'Oh yeah it is'

Also, also, the last little bit makes me think he hasn't heard from his source since December.

Ohhhh....right, Banjo Thread.....Things are looking pretty great in our Duo's favor eh!? "Sips at the water cooler."

At this point I honestly wouldn't be too shocked if it was somebody like Slime instead. Even if Sakurai is fond of DQIII, even he has to be aware that people are more interested in the side characters.

But yeah enough of these DQ talks going nowhere yet again, anything new about B-K? It's gotten really boring around here lately.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Ohhhh....right, Banjo Thread.....Things are looking pretty great in our Duo's favor eh!? "Sips at the water cooler."

*Sips on White Monster* Drinking water? And you call yourself a Banjo fan? Smh

 

[AugustusB]

*Sips on White Monster* Drinking water? And you call yourself a Banjo fan? Smh

I was only sipping at the water cooler. "Sips from a Grey Goose bottle"

Jest aside, I think this is the best standing we have had in a long time.

 

[KingMinjo91]

I noticed that Tansut mentioned that his source said not to expect the DQ character anytime soon. I'm hoping that means "Brave" is Banjo with the DQ character being further down the line (if we're even getting one).

I dont expect another character reveal until E3 (where I'm kinda hoping they'll do 2 reveals...), and "Brave" being second in line makes sense since we dont know of any other code names.

It fits nicely.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Here's the source for that picture I posted on the last page: http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/458257331

As for the blue ganon and mewtwo this is what the poster said -
Because when a dev team work, they have first japanese version sent to german and english, then spanish, french etc... Traduce them, placeholder are here because it's for testing the menu with another character if the slots are available like they want. As this is just for testing, it's useless to traduce and it seems that the guy knows nothing in japanese, it's not his work.

It's not always working like that but for addings things, japanese devs takes the english version to add "quickly" some things, in that case english devs don't have to retraduce the entire game and change some things about some textures. Even if you have access to japanese language in the option, the true japanese version works not the same way as ours... Don't if I'm clear, but it works like that for a lot of studios

I don't believe this leak, but who knows. That picture of Ken was thought to be a fake.

yeah I think it's fake, the original post: http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/458174831#p458174831

I noticed that Tansut mentioned that his source said not to expect the DQ character anytime soon.

When was this?

 

[Mr. Stagg]

I was only sipping at the water cooler. "Sips from a Grey Goose bottle"

Jest aside, I think this is the best standing we have had in a long time.

*sips from BANG energy drink* I think we need to reiterate what we have that works in our favor. Can we agree that Phil, rare spirits, Nintendo-soft, and fan support are some of the pillars holding our bridge up? What else can we put here?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I noticed that Tansut mentioned that his source said not to expect the DQ character anytime soon. I'm hoping that means "Brave" is Banjo with the DQ character being further down the line (if we're even getting one).

I dont expect another character reveal until E3 (where I'm kinda hoping they'll do 2 reveals...), and "Brave" being second in line makes sense since we dont know of any other code names.

It fits nicely.

At least there's not much months left between now and E3, it's getting rather silly at this point.

 

[KingMinjo91]

yeah I think it's fake, the original post: http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/458174831#p458174831



When was this?

It was in one of the recent Papagenos videos... ugh cant remember which one.

 

[JonSmash]

I don't beleve that Blue ganon/mewtwo mii leak to convient that it comes out not to long after best buy leaked jokers render

 

[Looma]

ah what the hell, I'll throw my hat in the ring for Banjo, even if just one last time.

 

[TheCJBrine]

The blue Ganon is actually supposed to be Giovanni, and with how weird it is and what the guy says in the original post, I'm pretty sure it's a fake for laughs.

It was in one of the recent Papagenos videos... ugh cant remember which one.

From what I remember, Tansut's source said that in December, but there could've been something recently, idk.

I don't know if Banjo will be the "Brave" character, but I'd love it if he is.

 

[UnknownJ25]

From what I could tell the "Giovanni" leak had Joker, Giovanni, Banjo, Monster Hunter and Erdrick as the DLC

This would honestly be a perfect DLC roster for me

 

[TheAnvil]

When did Tansut say not to expect Erdrick/DQ for a while?

 

[MangoTwist]

When did Tansut say not to expect Erdrick/DQ for a while?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ultimate-destiny.84900/page-366#post-16422301

Dec 31st. So awhile ago

 

[TheAnvil]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ultimate-destiny.84900/page-366#post-16422301

Dec 31st. So awhile ago

Ahh, well in terms of DLC development 4 months is a pretty long time.

 

[TheCJBrine]

it seems this leak doesn't actually feature B-K so idk; the first name with kanji does seem like it could have the bear and bird kanji in it, but it's blurry plus they might be off.

it's still very likely fake with how it was presented, though, plus if the guy was just a translator I don't see why he'd be messing with the screen and stuff.

edit: yeah pretty sure it's fake; even if you find the story believable, it's just odd, even the choice of Giovanni given how Pokemon have been chosen lately.