Social Banjo-Kazooie Social Thread - Project Dream Come True!

[ChunkySlugger72]

Man reading all this stuff that could’ve been is frustrating. Just imagine if Rare has stayed with Nintendo, Banjo would’ve became a household name. Instead he became forgotten. Screw Microsoft

I know people normally bash on Microsoft (myself included), But Nintendo deserves some of the blame too, I mean when Rare was looking for someone to buy them out they naturally approached Nintendo first since they already owned a 49% stake in Rare only to surprisingly be turned down by them, It later came down to Microsoft and Activision as the final bidders only for Microsoft to swoop in the last second when the deal fell apart with Activision. Microsoft bought Rare's remaining 51% stake which made Microsoft the majority holder of the company, It didn't make sense for Nintendo to hold on to their other 49% since Microsoft had the power and control over Rare so they sold their remaining stake to Microsoft thus giving them 100% ownership of Rare and reclassifing them as a 1st Party developer for Microsoft Studios/Xbox Division.

If Nintendo really cared about Rare then they would have bought them out entirely when the oppurtunity came up.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

A bit unrelated, but a Pokemon Direct has been announced for tomorrow 6 AM PST/9AM EST!!! Hoping for some Gen 8 news! :D

Warning even though less than 1% chance

We could end up with challenger pack # as a Pokémon from gen 8

If gen 8 comes out 2019 that’s checkmate

 

[Lycan Rex]

I know people normally bash on Microsoft (myself included), But Nintendo deserves some of the blame too, I mean when Rare was looking for someone to buy them out they naturally approached Nintendo first only to surprisingly be turned down by them, It later came down to Microsoft and Activision as the final bidders only for Microsoft to swoop in the last second when the deal fell apart with Activision.

If Nintendo really cared about Rare then they would have bought them out entirely when the oppurtunity came up.

I wish more people realized this. Nintendo let their golden goose get away

As much as we hate what ms did to rare, it would of been a whole lot worse with activition

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

I wish more people realized this. Nintendo let their golden goose get away

As much as we hate what ms did to rare, it would of been a whole lot worse with activition

I don't really like Activision either ,But at least Rare would have became 3rd Party studio under them and their games would have still came out on all consoles including Nintendo's, (Though I still would have preferred if Nintendo bought out Rare entirely)

I mean look at Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragon they were both in a same situation as Banjo-Kazooie, 90's 3D platforming mascots that were past their prime and while Activision did misuse them as Skylander filler for awhile, They successfully revived both franchises with remastered trilogies of their best games and Crash Team Racing is also getting remastered too for summer of this year, It looks like they have future plans for those franchises while Microsoft is still trying to figure out what to do with Banjo-Kazooie.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Warning even though less than 1% chance

We could end up with challenger pack # as a Pokémon from gen 8

If gen 8 comes out 2019 that’s checkmate

I would actually welcome this

This would DEMOLISH every single leaker that's saying this and that, because none of them has called a new Pokemon as DLC

 

[maf91186]

I would actually welcome this

This would DEMOLISH every single leaker that's saying this and that, because none of them has called a new Pokemon as DLC

As thrilling as it would be to see everything shaken up, I REAAAAAAAAAALLY don't want another Pokémon. At least not in Ultimate. They already got a newcomer this game. Just like with FE in Sm4sh, I would hate to see any series get a newcomer in both base AND dlc. It's just not cool to me. Precious slots and all that. I'd rather get the Bread from "I am Bread" than another Pokémon. I mean that.

 

[DutchPichu]

The Mario series already got Daisy as base and Piranha Plant as DLC newcomers.

 

[maf91186]

The Mario series already got Daisy as base and Piranha Plant as DLC newcomers.

This is true. I didn't say it was impossible or even unlikely and I certainly didn't say they wouldn't do it. I only said that I can't stand it and hope they'll refrain from doing it again.

 

[osby]

To be honest, I prefer two characters (one for base game and one as DLC) to what Zelda got in Melee or Pokemon in Brawl. Not that I feel too strongly about franchise reps.

One franchise having multiple newcomers is hardly anything new, but people react more to it when it happens in DLC.

 

[maf91186]

To be honest, I prefer two characters (one for base game and one as DLC) to what Zelda got in Melee or Pokemon in Brawl.

One franchise having multiple newcomers is hardly anything new, but people react more to it when it happens in DLC.

True, but I feel like that has to do with the feeling of things coming down to the wire. It brings a newfound sense of finality, and with it, sudden urgency. The realization that it's absolutely the last chance for any new series, along with all they have to offer, to get on board stirs up the passion in the fanbase and affects them more deeply. That's why Corrin hurt so much in my opinion. It at least hurt me anyway.

 

[TheAnvil]

The Mario series already got Daisy as base and Piranha Plant as DLC newcomers.

Fire Emblem got 2 newcomers on the base and 2 DLC characters in the last game...

 

[osby]

Fire Emblem got 2 newcomers on the base and 2 DLC characters in the last game...

We are talking about newcomers though. It's not like Roy's return affected any other character's chances.

 

[KingMinjo91]

I don't really like Activision either ,But at least Rare would have became 3rd Party studio under them and their games would have still came out on all consoles including Nintendo's, (Though I still would have preferred if Nintendo bought out Rare entirely)

I mean look at Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragon they were both in a same situation as Banjo-Kazooie, 90's 3D platforming mascots that were past their prime and while Activision did misuse them as Skylander filler for awhile, They successfully revived both franchises with remastered trilogies of their best games and Crash Team Racing is also getting remastered too for summer of this year, It looks like they have future plans for those franchises while Microsoft is still trying to figure out what to do with Banjo-Kazooie.

Well, if the rumors are to be believed, then Banjo-Kazooie may have something coming up soon. Whether its a new game or remasters, it'll be nice to see them again.

 

[ryuu seika]

I know people normally bash on Microsoft (myself included), But Nintendo deserves some of the blame too, I mean when Rare was looking for someone to buy them out they naturally approached Nintendo first since they already owned a 49% stake in Rare only to surprisingly be turned down by them, It later came down to Microsoft and Activision as the final bidders only for Microsoft to swoop in the last second when the deal fell apart with Activision. Microsoft bought Rare's remaining 51% stake which made Microsoft the majority holder of the company, It didn't make sense for Nintendo to hold on to their other 49% since Microsoft had the power and control over Rare so they sold their remaining stake to Microsoft thus giving them 100% ownership of Rare and reclassifing them as a 1st Party developer for Microsoft Studios/Xbox Division.
If Nintendo really cared about Rare then they would have bought them out entirely when the oppurtunity came up.

And Microsoft were only in the game to begin with because they couldn't snatch up Sega. Something about Sega only agreeing if they promised to rerelease EVERY Dreamcast title on Xbox with the online features that those games were originally intended to have.
To this day, we still haven't seen the online chao garden.

 

[TheAnvil]

We are talking about newcomers though. It's not like Roy's return affected any other character's chances.

We're only talking about newcomers because there are no more veterans left.

And even if you wanna play it that way, technically Roy as a veteran was chosen over Wolf, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Young Link, Pichu etc.

 

[TheZoologist]

We're only talking about newcomers because there are no more veterans left.

And even if you wanna play it that way, technically Roy as a veteran was chosen over Wolf, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Young Link, Pichu etc.

Honestly, I was okay with Roy returning. He was a Melee veteran and was the one of the two Fire Emblem reps. And he actually plays wayyyyy better in Ultimate than he ever did in the other games. Corrin was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me last game, but I don’t even mind them now since having everyone return evened out a lot of franchises and they are unique in terms of their moveset and design. Now the only FE characters I have real issues with are Lucina and Chrom. And even then, they’re pretty much hidden in my game thanks to stacking Echo Fighters, so that’s not even an issue. We’ll only have an issue if Three Houses ends up taking a slot to promote their new game. And even THEN, I’ll only have an issue with that if a certain bear and bird don’t get in. If they get in, they could bring the entire FE cast and I wouldn’t care. Just as long as I have my beloved bear and bird <3

 

[osby]

We're only talking about newcomers because there are no more veterans left.

And even if you wanna play it that way, technically Roy as a veteran was chosen over Wolf, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Young Link, Pichu etc.

Considering he's a semi-clone, you can only say he's chosen over Young Link and Pichu (and even then, his body shape same with Marth, still making him the easier choice) and well, that makes perfect sense.

Not that any of this matters now that everyone is here.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don't really like Activision either ,But at least Rare would have became 3rd Party studio under them and their games would have still came out on all consoles including Nintendo's, (Though I still would have preferred if Nintendo bought out Rare entirely)

I mean look at Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragon they were both in a same situation as Banjo-Kazooie, 90's 3D platforming mascots that were past their prime and while Activision did misuse them as Skylander filler for awhile, They successfully revived both franchises with remastered trilogies of their best games and Crash Team Racing is also getting remastered too for summer of this year, It looks like they have future plans for those franchises while Microsoft is still trying to figure out what to do with Banjo-Kazooie.

In regards to that least B-K stopped getting games. Crash got sequel after sequel churned out, until Radical took over and made the IP nearly unrecognizable before Activision yanked Crash away from them. Seriously, one of Crash's creators even compared this state of affairs to watching his daughter do porn. Skylanders was practically mercy compared to that.

No one actually knew at the time that Japanese creators are very hesitant when it comes to acquiring things they didn't make themselves (let alone outside of Asian soil). Before anyone brings up Square-Enix, they only did that because Square screwed up massively after Spirits Within and had to recuperate in any way possible. Still, it could have turned out even worse for B-K, so in that sense you can say the Kinect thing was a mercy kill.

Honestly, I was okay with Roy returning. He was a Melee veteran and was the one of the two Fire Emblem reps. And he actually plays wayyyyy better in Ultimate than he ever did in the other games. Corrin was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me last game, but I don’t even mind them now since having everyone return evened out a lot of franchises and they are unique in terms of their moveset and design. Now the only FE characters I have real issues with are Lucina and Chrom. And even then, they’re pretty much hidden in my game thanks to stacking Echo Fighters, so that’s not even an issue. We’ll only have an issue if Three Houses ends up taking a slot to promote their new game. And even THEN, I’ll only have an issue with that if a certain bear and bird don’t get in. If they get in, they could bring the entire FE cast and I wouldn’t care. Just as long as I have my beloved bear and bird <3

And I'm fine with all the Links being in here. Even though it'll affect nothing since there hasn't been an entirely unique Zelda newcomer since Melee.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

In regards to that least B-K stopped getting games. Crash got sequel after sequel churned out, until Radical took over and made the IP nearly unrecognizable before Activision yanked Crash away from them. Seriously, one of Crash's creators even compared this state of affairs to watching his daughter do porn. Skylanders was practically mercy compared to that.

No one actually knew at the time that Japanese creators are very hesitant when it comes to acquiring things they didn't make themselves (let alone outside of Asian soil). Before anyone brings up Square-Enix, they only did that because Square screwed up massively after Spirits Within and had to recuperate in any way possible. Still, it could have turned out even worse for B-K, so in that sense you can say the Kinect thing was a mercy kill.



And I'm fine with all the Links being in here. Even though it'll affect nothing since there hasn't been an entirely unique Zelda newcomer since Melee.

Yeah I remember reading about that how one of the co-founders of Naughty Dog and co-creators of Crash felt about the state of the franchise during the mid-to late 2000's, It must have suck seeing your own creation get abused, runned into the ground and not being able to do a damn thing about it.

But Universal/Vivendi was mainly at fault and it's revolving door of developers for turning it into a medicore franchise at the time, Activision didn't really do anything outside of publishing one game that was probably half way through development by the time they acquired the IP, But then again it took them a decade to finally get their heads out of their asses and actually do something right with the franchise and as we can see it's in the best shape it has been since it's Playstation/Naughty Dog era in the late 90's.

 

[ryuu seika]

Considering he's a semi-clone, you can only say he's chosen over Young Link and Pichu (and even then, his body shape same with Marth, still making him the easier choice) and well, that makes perfect sense.

*Wolf and Pichu. Noone was considered over Young Link because Young Link wasn't considered his own character before fans started reacting to the return of Melee characters.

Honestly, I was okay with Roy returning. He was a Melee veteran and was the one of the two Fire Emblem reps. And he actually plays wayyyyy better in Ultimate than he ever did in the other games. Corrin was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me last game, but I don’t even mind them now since having everyone return evened out a lot of franchises and they are unique in terms of their moveset and design. Now the only FE characters I have real issues with are Lucina and Chrom. And even then, they’re pretty much hidden in my game thanks to stacking Echo Fighters, so that’s not even an issue.

Does Roy stack as an "echo fighter"? Does Wolf? Does Ganondorf? Does Ike? I feel like the definitions have been a tad inconsistent and, while I wouldn't exactly consider the last of those a clone, Ike still plays like a variant on a generic FE Swordsman. Which we have way too many of.

We have Marth, Heavy Marth (Ike), Fiery Marth (Roy), Lanky Marth (Chrom) and Female Marth (Lucina), alonside two genuinely unique Fire Emblem characters. It's not a good look for the series, especially when Female Marth only seems to exist to make regular Marth appear less androgenous. And it's not a good thing for Smash Bros, which otherwise has just about the most diverse fighting game cast.

If we cut the FE cast down to 4, made Lucina a Marth costume, Roy an Ike costume and removed Chrom entirely, things would be a lot better.

We’ll only have an issue if Three Houses ends up taking a slot to promote their new game. And even THEN, I’ll only have an issue with that if a certain bear and bird don’t get in. If they get in, they could bring the entire FE cast and I wouldn’t care. Just as long as I have my beloved bear and bird <3

I would. I'd like a least a little variety in who my opponents are. Limit it to a quarter of Smash's roster at most.

 

[osby]

*Wolf and Pichu. Noone was considered over Young Link because Young Link wasn't considered his own character before fans started reacting to the return of Melee characters.

I would say that but Wolf is too different from Fox for me to compare him with Roy.

 

[ryuu seika]

I would say that but Wolf is too different from Fox for me to compare him with Roy.

Wolf is a weird one, since he's technically a patchwork character, yet he feels like little more than Violent Fox or Falco to me.

 

[ChinaCat]

Pokemon reps are at least all unique (except pichu) so gun to my head i'd rather have another pokemon than another fire emblem character. Either would be disappointing to me though. Or hell, if theyre gonna give us a fire emblem character, how about one that uses an axe or a lance. We have so many fire emblem characters and they all use swords (except robin) which is weird since the weapon triangle is such a big thing in those games.

 

[osby]

Pokemon reps are at least all unique (except pichu) so gun to my head i'd rather have another pokemon than another fire emblem character. Either would be disappointing to me though. Or hell, if theyre gonna give us a fire emblem character, how about one that uses an axe or a lance. We have so many fire emblem characters and they all use swords (except robin) which is weird since the weapon triangle is such a big thing in those games.

Most protagonists wield a sword though.

 

[ChinaCat]

Most protagonists wield a sword though.

i know but there are other main lords such as hector that could have got in instead of another swordie clone. I def see where you're coming from though.

 

[osby]

i know but there are other main lords such as hector that could have got in instead of another swordie clone. I def see where you're coming from though.

No, he couldn't. Clones are added because they are similar to a pre-existing character, they don't steal the slots of unique characters.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

Looking forward to the Pokemon Direct, Expecting the titles of the games, Some info and a tease of the legendary Pokemon and maybe a spinoff title ,Won't get a full blown reveal until late May or early June before E3.

 

[TheZoologist]

Looking forward to the Pokemon Direct, Expecting the titles of the games, Some info and a tease of the legendary Pokemon and maybe a spinoff title ,Won't get a full blown reveal until late May or early June before E3.

As long as we get a glimpse at Gen 8, I'll be satisfied. Gotta admit, was a bit disappointed with Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon. They were a good diversion from the traditional Pokemon games and some of the new Pokemon are really cool, but I'm hoping Gen 8 really knocks some socks off.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

As long as we get a glimpse at Gen 8, I'll be satisfied. Gotta admit, was a bit disappointed with Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon. They were a good diversion from the traditional Pokemon games and some of the new Pokemon are really cool, but I'm hoping Gen 8 really knocks some socks off.

I loved the setting of the Alola region being based off Hawaii and I still enjoyed the games, But this was the 1st generation where I was overall dissapointed with all 3 starters final evolutions, the base forms were fine, But I went with Popplio because I love seals, But I never evolved it because I wasn't a fan of it's evolutions. Toucannon, Togedemaru and Alolan Sandslash carried my team most of the way.

 

[SneakyLink]

Some info, all spoilered

Spoiler

Games are called Sword and Shield and releasing late 2019. Also other surprises

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I know people normally bash on Microsoft (myself included), But Nintendo deserves some of the blame too, I mean when Rare was looking for someone to buy them out they naturally approached Nintendo first since they already owned a 49% stake in Rare only to surprisingly be turned down by them, It later came down to Microsoft and Activision as the final bidders only for Microsoft to swoop in the last second when the deal fell apart with Activision. Microsoft bought Rare's remaining 51% stake which made Microsoft the majority holder of the company, It didn't make sense for Nintendo to hold on to their other 49% since Microsoft had the power and control over Rare so they sold their remaining stake to Microsoft thus giving them 100% ownership of Rare and reclassifing them as a 1st Party developer for Microsoft Studios/Xbox Division.

If Nintendo really cared about Rare then they would have bought them out entirely when the oppurtunity came up.

I wish more people realized this. Nintendo let their golden goose get away

As much as we hate what ms did to rare, it would of been a whole lot worse with activition

A lot of people blame Microsoft, some people blame Nintendo, but I blame Miyamoto.

Fire Emblem got 2 newcomers on the base and 2 DLC characters in the last game...

Which is ******** in my opinon.

We are talking about newcomers though. It's not like Roy's return affected any other character's chances.

As a matter of fact, Roy's return did take a possible newcomer's slot. Please don't say that veterans don't screw over newcomers chances, because they do. Ultimate's base game is the greatest example of this since we only got 6 unique newcomers and everybody else excluding them and 4 Echos are all veterans. If spirits deconfirm characters, than almost all of the Nintendo characters that are spirits that could have been chosen got screwed over not only by the veterans and the top Ballot picks, but possibly got their chances of taking a slot screwed over by 3rd party characters as well for the Season Pass.

 

[Lycan Rex]

Im not too worried about another Pokemon. With how well MS and Nintendo are doing I'm confident well get a MS rep. Im worried more about Steve tbh.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

I think we all can agree Pokemon is already well represented in Smash, But me being a huge Pokemon fan I personally wouldn't mind getting a new Pokemon to represent the 8th Generation as long as it looks badass and is a lot of fun to play as.

 

[Deleted member]

Im not too worried about another Pokemon. With how well MS and Nintendo are doing I'm confident well get a MS rep. Im worried more about Steve tbh.

Well I’m confident we’re getting both

 

[ChinaCat]

No, he couldn't. Clones are added because they are similar to a pre-existing character, they don't steal the slots of unique characters.

You misunderstand me. I said clone not echo. I just meant that when they were choosing a fire emblem character for smash they could have chosen someone like hector or titiana that are not just "clones" of the other lords in terms of skillsets.

 

[osby]

You misunderstand me. I said clone not echo. I just meant that when they were choosing a fire emblem character for smash they could have chosen someone like hector or titiana that are not just "clones" of the other lords in terms of skillsets.

Only non-echo clone we have is Roy. Corrin, Robin and Ike don't copy from a lord in any way.

 

[Lycan Rex]

Well I’m confident we’re getting both

I'd have no problem with that. But eh...2 MS reps...in the same fighter pass...just seems unlikely to me. If one of them was in the base game, or if there's a 2nd pass then that's another thing. But getting 2 Microsoft reps in the same fighter pass...im not too confident about.

Would love to be proven wrong, and I'll gladly eat my words if it happens

 

[Deleted member]

I'd have no problem with that. But eh...2 MS reps...in the same fighter pass...just seems unlikely to me. If one of them was in the base game, or if there's a 2nd pass then that's another thing. But getting 2 Microsoft reps in the same fighter pass...im not too confident about.

Would love to be proven wrong, and I'll gladly eat my words if it happens

I still see them both in the same pass you wanna know why?

 

[Lycan Rex]

I still see them both in the same pass you wanna know why?

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

I have zero faith in Steve. No one with solid credibility has vouched for him, his name only really started floating around because of Vergeben's Minecraft confusion and the never-ending parade of 4chan ****posters. We have multiple sources of higher credibility saying they've heard Banjo is coming, so I'm putting all my bets on him.

Steve in my opinion is a horrible pick as a fighter and Minecraft should be represented in the same way Monster Hunter is; no fighter, but instead something else iconic to the series.