Social Banjo-Kazooie Social Thread - Project Dream Come True!

[ChinaCat]

After yesterday's direct I'm going to predict that we won't be gettin a DQ rep. I'm just speculating but I can't think of a better time to announce Erdrick than yesterday's direct. Obviously nintendo are the kings of left field and we never know what they're thinking but i'm thinking we might get a different square rep.

When it comes to banjo its 100% possible that he's in. They know that fans want him, and microsoft is cool with it happening. If banjo doesnt get in its bc sakurai or nintendo said no. The other semi-obscure character that they know fans want is Geno. The grinch leak was so beleivable because it seemed like we would be getting what we've been asking for. and with that seeming to be their approach with this game, I think that banjo is one of the most likely candidates for DLC.

Hope is still alive and well!!

 

[magiciandude]

Not trying to defend leakers, but how exactly did anything get disproven?

EDIT: Nevermind, DQXI S is being published by Nintendo in the West, Wikipedia was out of date. That said, from what I remember, all five characters were to be revealed before E3 this year. Joker isn't even completed for goodness.

 

[TheAnvil]

Which is the 5ch leak, the one that had Edelgard, or the one that had Hayabusa/Doom?

 

[Atmoz]

Which is the 5ch leak, the one that had Edelgard, or the one that had Hayabusa/Doom?

The one that had:
-Joker
-Erdrick
-Steve
-Doom Guy
-Ryu Hayabusa

 

[JonSmash]

well we have PROOF that Bowser Jr, Mii Swordfighter & Duck Hunt are being used as bases for DLC characters

Piranha plant was Bowser Jr.

Its Obvious Mii Sword Fighter is Joker (if it was edrick then there would of been 2 seprate files of mii sword fighter on the game one for bulding joker one for erdrick)

And Duck hunt AKA Brave HAS to be Banjo & Kazooie ! like WHAT other character could it be ? (plus with rare spirites, minecraft with banjo on switch & xboxlive & cross play on switch )

So Joker is #71 & Banjo-Kazooie are #72

And this arn't "rumors" or "leaks" or "this day would be perfect for reviling banjo" like in the past THIS IS COLD HARD IN GAME EVIDENCE ! with logic & reasoning

(or we could be wrong)

 

[Cap'n Jack]

That’s my thing with Banjo. His evidence is stiff actually in the game, and does not depend on a ethos based argument.

 

[Luigifan18]

Eh. The directs are made in Japan. And the script is written for Japanese audiences. So it's not really a surprise.


The thing about Erdrick and leakers is that he is always coming soon™. First it was for base game. Then base game became first DLC. Then they were trying to spread rumors that it would more then likely be Erdrick being revealed yesterday. Erdrick is in a constant state of having the goalposts moved on him it's hard to imagine why he seems so likely to people still. All they really have is the brave codename and we have no proof the codenames stand for anything specifically.

The code names could be leakbait as Brave’s actual stats make no sense for Erdrick.

I'm of the opinion that the codenames may be ironic, in order to throw everyone off. It'll be the greatest leakbait ever.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I'm of the opinion that the codenames may be ironic, in order to throw everyone off. It'll be the greatest leakbait ever.

Brave is Luigi 2.

 

[Luigifan18]

Brave is Luigi 2.

Precisely.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I'm still gonna say Brave is Erdrick or Slime since it fits so well, but I'm gonna laugh if the codename actually turns out to be a reference to the Disney movie.

If it is Erdrick or Slime, and Joker gets datamined and they see Mii Swordifghter stuff in his files like they saw Bowser Jr. stuff in Piranha Plant's files, I can easily see Banjo-Kazooie coming after Erdrick or even just after Joker since their files could've been left out while Brave's inclusion in the update data could've been an accident (well, it technically was likely an accident anyway, so I'll say they're in different builds and Brave's build happened to be update 2 and they forgot to scrub the data).

 

[Mr. Stagg]

I'm still gonna say Brave is Erdrick or Slime since it fits so well, but I'm gonna laugh if the codename actually turns out to be a reference to the Disney movie.

If it is Erdrick or Slime, and Joker gets datamined and they see Mii Swordifghter stuff in his files like they saw Bowser Jr. stuff in Piranha Plant's files, I can easily see Banjo-Kazooie coming after Erdrick or even just after Joker since their files could've been left out while Brave's inclusion in the update data could've been an accident (well, it technically was likely an accident anyway, so I'll say they're in different builds and Brave's build happened to be update 2 and they forgot to scrub the data).

If Joker drops before next reveal that is a solid theory. I'm pretty sure we will know who brave is before Joker drops. We have 2 win conditions here. Either Banjo is revealed in March and drops in June, or the 2nd pass is revealed, drops in E3 and Banjo is revealed then. If 2nd pack is not Banjo we can still use data from Joker to see if the Swordfighter/Duck Hunt theory has legs to stand.

I shall now make another Big-brained prediction. If we truly are to be blessed with Banjo and Kazooie, they will be revealed when Nintendo fully details this Xbox live deal. The next few months are going to be very interesting, and yet so difficult to get through.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Eh. The directs are made in Japan. And the script is written for Japanese audiences. So it's not really a surprise.


The thing about Erdrick and leakers is that he is always coming soon™. First it was for base game. Then base game became first DLC. Then they were trying to spread rumors that it would more then likely be Erdrick being revealed yesterday. Erdrick is in a constant state of having the goalposts moved on him it's hard to imagine why he seems so likely to people still. All they really have is the brave codename and we have no proof the codenames stand for anything specifically.

Erdrick has one thing in common with Steve; they both have leakers moving the goalposts for them when they're not revealed for an event that seemingly would be tailor-made for them.

Even worse in Eddy's case, one of the DQ games they announced obviously isn't even coming Westside: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/02/japan_got_a_few_extra_games_in_its_february_nintendo_direct

I will say though, good on Enix for keeping the 16-bit mode in the Switch version of DQXI, it makes up for the West missing out on the 3DS version.

EDIT: Nevermind, DQXI S is being published by Nintendo in the West, Wikipedia was out of date. That said, from what I remember, all five characters were to be revealed before E3 this year. Joker isn't even completed for goodness.

February 2020, actually. Although even then they'd only have time to make 3 characters from scratch, so it's almost certain that 2 of the pack's characters are using other characters as bases for ease of development.

I'm of the opinion that the codenames may be ironic, in order to throw everyone off. It'll be the greatest leakbait ever.

Or they're just codenames that meant nothing obvious at all, like in the military.

The eagle has landed, over.

 

[GenoFlash]

I semi-believe that the codenames correspond alphabetically to their characters. So J for Joker and P for Piranha Plant.

And, you know, B for Banjo.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Brave is Luigi 2.

Well, we have Builder Mario in Smash, but no Builder Luigi, who just got confirmed for Mario Maker 2, so naturally this makes the most logical sense.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well, we have Builder Mario in Smash, but no Builder Luigi, who just got confirmed for Mario Maker 2, so naturally this makes the most logical sense.

Cat Luigi or no sale.

 

[TheCJBrine]

waitaminute.

Doraemon was in the Japanese Direct?

dang I wish Disney's English dub made it popular over here...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

waitaminute.

Doraemon was in the Japanese Direct?

dang I wish Disney's English dub made it popular over here...

I'll say, it's difficult to even get fansubs for most of the series. At least France gets the manga.

 

[Zipzter]

I semi-believe that the codenames correspond alphabetically to their characters. So J for Joker and P for Piranha Plant.

And, you know, B for Banjo.

...This... This makes sense. Gawd, too much is stacking up...[/QUOTE]

 

[Violante]

So two months out since Joker's announcement, they have the model ready and the bare minimum of animations. Doesn't seem as if the fighter is complete at all. Maybe it's because they were working on the schedule of orbiting interests who needed that trailer to be at the Game Awards, even if development wouldn't align with announcement? (I understand these things take time, but even still. With his reveal being first, and a full animatic devoted to him in December, you'd think there'd be some indication that he's the furthest along in development.)

Given the lack of a second DLC fighter announcement, and the alteration of Swordfighter's data in 2.0, I do believe the character was a base for Joker. And I don't just think Banjo will be the next fighter because of the ballot, or even Sakurai's interests. I think it's Phil Spencer's doing, in large part to be a man of his word and to compensate for lack of a series' future his company owns, that has a clear and present neglected fan-base. The money shot of Xbox's roll-out for their alignment with Nintendo would be to revive the dormant franchise through Smash, and to have the revival occur on Microsoft's end. The big bad in the story of B-K's downfall will now be responsible for their comeback. That's why I'd assume the reveal will be at GDC.

Have you noticed the leaks pointing to Banjo, including PapaGenos' source, claim to derive from Microsoft, and not Nintendo? Here's another reputable Microsoft source saying Banjo, one that I think went under almost everyone's radar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyAtWm1owvc&t=36m37s

It's the same reason the usual Nintendo sources couldn't predict Joker. The development is being handled by Nintendo, the PR and marketing is Microsoft's doing. And as for sightings of Minecraft content; hell, maybe Nintendo put that together themselves in hopes of pleasing Microsoft for their upcoming E3 meeting, only to have plans compromised with the introduction of Rare IP's to the conversation. That or the Minecraft claims were fabricated from the start; with Vergeben's "sources" leading him astray yesterday, It's not a conclusion any one of us could draw.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Here's what doesn't sit right with me about Erdrick being "Brave."

We have something of a pattern of the first letters of DLC characters matching their codenames.

Piranha Plant - Pakku
Joker - Jack
Banjo & Kazooie - Brave?

In addition, Joker wasn't listed using his own name in the files. Granted, I suppose one could relate Jack and Joker to cards, but idk it still seems to be a stretch to me. If Erdrick can literally just be translated to "Hero" and we have people flat out calling Erdrick's shield "Brave's shield" I doubt they'd put him in the code like that. Combine that with the stats showing a shorter character than Mario and Duck Hunt crashing the game for no real reason like Piranha and Swordfighter (who I'm guessing may have been slightly used as Joker's base), and I think all the signs point to the bear & bird and not the white bread JRPG hero.

 

[GenoFlash]

For me the sticking point about Erdrick being Brave is that Piranha Plant is straight up called "Pakku", so you'd think Erdrick would use the Japanese term for Brave, "Yuusha."

 

[ChinaCat]

do you guys think they would really leave a cookie trail with the first letters like this? I assume this is uncharted territory but I feel like its unlikely that they'd be giving us such a big hint. I hope i'm wrong but I think its alot more likely that its just a coincidence.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

do you guys think they would really leave a cookie trail with the first letters like this? I assume this is uncharted territory but I feel like its unlikely that they'd be giving us such a big hint. I hope i'm wrong but I think its alot more likely that its just a coincidence.

To be fair, a lot of video game characters start with the letter B.

Here's what doesn't sit right with me about Erdrick being "Brave."

We have something of a pattern of the first letters of DLC characters matching their codenames.

Piranha Plant - Pakku
Joker - Jack
Banjo & Kazooie - Brave?

In addition, Joker wasn't listed using his own name in the files. Granted, I suppose one could relate Jack and Joker to cards, but idk it still seems to be a stretch to me. If Erdrick can literally just be translated to "Hero" and we have people flat out calling Erdrick's shield "Brave's shield" I doubt they'd put him in the code like that. Combine that with the stats showing a shorter character than Mario and Duck Hunt crashing the game for no real reason like Piranha and Swordfighter (who I'm guessing may have been slightly used as Joker's base), and I think all the signs point to the bear & bird and not the white bread JRPG hero.

Technically, there is Jack Frost.

 

[LogFrog]

I was thinking of this ridiculous theory were Joker and Banjo & Kazooie would be included together in the Spring update. In April, there are two holidays that usually come to mind: April Fools and Easter. In April fools day, there are a lot of jokes and jokers. Easter is commonly associated with eggs which is something Kazooie definitely has a surplus of. Obviously this literally means nothing, I just thought it was funny.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

I was thinking of this ridiculous theory were Joker and Banjo & Kazooie would be included together in the Spring update. In April, there are two holidays that usually come to mind: April Fools and Easter. In April fools day, there are a lot of jokes and jokers. Easter is commonly associated with eggs which is something Kazooie definitely has a surplus of. Obviously this literally means nothing, I just thought it was funny.

Actually I can definitely see them launching Joker on April Fools Day just because of that

 

[sm0ke]

For me the sticking point about Erdrick being Brave is that Piranha Plant is straight up called "Pakku", so you'd think Erdrick would use the Japanese term for Brave, "Yuusha."

Wouldn't that make it more obvious that it's Erdrick or at least a Dragon Quest character?

 

[culumon]

For me the sticking point about Erdrick being Brave is that Piranha Plant is straight up called "Pakku", so you'd think Erdrick would use the Japanese term for Brave, "Yuusha."

Yeah, this is what's rubbed me about Brave being Erdrick - that and the fact that "brave" is an inaccurate translation in the first place. In the context of referring to the Dragon Quest protagonists in lieu of a name, it's always been translated as "hero". "Brave" has never been used in that way because it isn't a noun. I guess the fact that Kumazaki has since subsequently mistranslated "yuusha" as "brave" shows there is room for the mistranslation to happen, and the "Brave" codename was never meant for public eyes anyway so it wouldn't have needed to go through a professional translator with access to a Dragon Quest style guide or anything meaning... but it's certainly odd nonetheless.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I was thinking of this ridiculous theory were Joker and Banjo & Kazooie would be included together in the Spring update. In April, there are two holidays that usually come to mind: April Fools and Easter. In April fools day, there are a lot of jokes and jokers. Easter is commonly associated with eggs which is something Kazooie definitely has a surplus of. Obviously this literally means nothing, I just thought it was funny.

Eggs you say? Hmmmmm

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I swear if Erdrick is revealed in the Spring update or E3 instead of Banjo & Kazooie or Geno, I'm leaving speculation for awhile because I would be disappointed to hear people speculate about Dragon Quest more than half a year only to get it right and we get nothing else.

I was thinking of this ridiculous theory were Joker and Banjo & Kazooie would be included together in the Spring update. In April, there are two holidays that usually come to mind: April Fools and Easter. In April fools day, there are a lot of jokes and jokers. Easter is commonly associated with eggs which is something Kazooie definitely has a surplus of. Obviously this literally means nothing, I just thought it was funny.

I think E3 though would be the better time for Nintendo and Microsoft to announce the N64 Mini and Banjo & Kazooie in Smash since Sony isn't going to be there because they are going to be the only ones at the event.

 

[Jeanbob]

If the Mii is really being used as base for Joker, it means that height can easily be changed.
Personally, I can't see Banjo with the same height as Duck Hunt, even when he is standing.

 

[LogFrog]

If the Mii is really being used as base for Joker, it means that height can easily be changed.
Personally, I can't see Banjo with the same height as Duck Hunt, even when he is standing.

I’m pretty sure mii fighters are always the same size.

 

[Mr. Stagg]

So two months out since Joker's announcement, they have the model ready and the bare minimum of animations. Doesn't seem as if the fighter is complete at all. Maybe it's because they were working on the schedule of orbiting interests who needed that trailer to be at the Game Awards, even if development wouldn't align with announcement? (I understand these things take time, but even still. With his reveal being first, and a full animatic devoted to him in December, you'd think there'd be some indication that he's the furthest along in development.)

Given the lack of a second DLC fighter announcement, and the alteration of Swordfighter's data in 2.0, I do believe the character was a base for Joker. And I don't just think Banjo will be the next fighter because of the ballot, or even Sakurai's interests. I think it's Phil Spencer's doing, in large part to be a man of his word and to compensate for lack of a series' future his company owns, that has a clear and present neglected fan-base. The money shot of Xbox's roll-out for their alignment with Nintendo would be to revive the dormant franchise through Smash, and to have the revival occur on Microsoft's end. The big bad in the story of B-K's downfall will now be responsible for their comeback. That's why I'd assume the reveal will be at GDC.

Have you noticed the leaks pointing to Banjo, including PapaGenos' source, claim to derive from Microsoft, and not Nintendo? Here's another reputable Microsoft source saying Banjo, one that I think went under almost everyone's radar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyAtWm1owvc&t=36m37s

It's the same reason the usual Nintendo sources couldn't predict Joker. The development is being handled by Nintendo, the PR and marketing is Microsoft's doing. And as for sightings of Minecraft content; hell, maybe Nintendo put that together themselves in hopes of pleasing Microsoft for their upcoming E3 meeting, only to have plans compromised with the introduction of Rare IP's to the conversation. That or the Minecraft claims were fabricated from the start; with Vergeben's "sources" leading him astray yesterday, It's not a conclusion any one of us could draw.

I've seen this as well. Can you tell me more about this guy? I feel like we can support this claim if we know more about him and his sources. Basically what's his track record?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I swear if Erdrick is revealed in the Spring update or E3 instead of Banjo & Kazooie or Geno, I'm leaving speculation for awhile because I would be disappointed to hear people speculate about Dragon Quest more than half a year only to get it right and we get nothing else.



I think E3 though would be the better time for Nintendo and Microsoft to announce the N64 Mini and Banjo & Kazooie in Smash since Sony isn't going to be there because they are going to be the only ones at the event.

Reminder that the latest Direct was the second time people expected Eddy to be revealed. The first time was the VGAs.

If nothing happens at E3, three strikes, he's out.

 

[Justin Little]

Have you noticed the leaks pointing to Banjo, including PapaGenos' source, claim to derive from Microsoft, and not Nintendo? Here's another reputable Microsoft source saying Banjo, one that I think went under almost everyone's radar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyAtWm1owvc&t=36m37s

Considering this dude doesn't even like Banjo, RARE, or Nintendo, there might some truth here lol! Unless he is trolling.

I don't think Banjo will be revealed at GDC, though. Banjo is definitely an E3 announcement. I do, however, believe we'll see RARE and maybe some Microsoft properties revealed for Switch there. Xbox Live coming to Switch has to be something more than just Minecraft.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Considering this dude doesn't even like Banjo, RARE, or Nintendo, there might some truth here lol! Unless he is trolling.

I don't think Banjo will be revealed at GDC, though. Banjo is definitely an E3 announcement. I do, however, believe we'll see RARE and maybe some Microsoft properties revealed for Switch there. Xbox Live coming to Switch has to be something more than just Minecraft.

>Verge's source dismissed King K. Rool
>Verge himself wasn't sure about his source's assessment
Pattern forming, or coincidence? You be the judge. Although this latest guy denies being an insider, so Poe's law is at play here.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

So two months out since Joker's announcement, they have the model ready and the bare minimum of animations. Doesn't seem as if the fighter is complete at all. Maybe it's because they were working on the schedule of orbiting interests who needed that trailer to be at the Game Awards, even if development wouldn't align with announcement? (I understand these things take time, but even still. With his reveal being first, and a full animatic devoted to him in December, you'd think there'd be some indication that he's the furthest along in development.)

Given the lack of a second DLC fighter announcement, and the alteration of Swordfighter's data in 2.0, I do believe the character was a base for Joker. And I don't just think Banjo will be the next fighter because of the ballot, or even Sakurai's interests. I think it's Phil Spencer's doing, in large part to be a man of his word and to compensate for lack of a series' future his company owns, that has a clear and present neglected fan-base. The money shot of Xbox's roll-out for their alignment with Nintendo would be to revive the dormant franchise through Smash, and to have the revival occur on Microsoft's end. The big bad in the story of B-K's downfall will now be responsible for their comeback. That's why I'd assume the reveal will be at GDC.

Have you noticed the leaks pointing to Banjo, including PapaGenos' source, claim to derive from Microsoft, and not Nintendo? Here's another reputable Microsoft source saying Banjo, one that I think went under almost everyone's radar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyAtWm1owvc&t=36m37s

It's the same reason the usual Nintendo sources couldn't predict Joker. The development is being handled by Nintendo, the PR and marketing is Microsoft's doing. And as for sightings of Minecraft content; hell, maybe Nintendo put that together themselves in hopes of pleasing Microsoft for their upcoming E3 meeting, only to have plans compromised with the introduction of Rare IP's to the conversation. That or the Minecraft claims were fabricated from the start; with Vergeben's "sources" leading him astray yesterday, It's not a conclusion any one of us could draw.

This is very interesting, I had never heard this before until now. This guy said he’s not even a fan of Banjo but yet he’s heard from a very reliable source that Banjo is coming. Definitely makes me more hopeful

 

[G83mBoy]

Could be leakbait for Steve.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Could be leakbait for Steve.

I would imagine that working out nicely. Using a Fan Requested character as leak bait. Get people hyped up, just to reveal Steve. That won't cause any backlash no way no how.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If I had a dollar for every time someone expected Steve to show up in a Microsoft-related event, I'd be able to afford at least one DLC character without needing to work.

Besides, both are obviously bait for Rash, y'all.

 

[LogFrog]

You kidding me? Everyone knows that Banjo is just leakbait for Voodoo Vince.