Bandana Dee, the Legend of Dee - Our Star Ally as DeeLC?! (v(- ' ' -)>↑

[RetrogamerMax]

Oh this is bad. This is real bad. The next main character doesn't have to be the next rep. This makes Marx's chances SKYROCKET. This is bad. This is bad. I know everyone else is celebrating, but I really don't like the look of this.

Don't worry, Marx isn't getting in over Bandana Dee. Plus Marx is a boss in Ultimate so I take that as a solid deconfirmation for him.

 

[Royalty1702]

Don't worry, Marx isn't getting in over Bandana Dee. Plus Marx is a boss in Ultimate so I take that as a solid deconfirmation for him.

>>>>>rules

 

[RetrogamerMax]

>>>>>rules

Absolutely when it comes to Spirits, Assist Trophies, and Mii costumes. But it would look awkward if a boss was downsized and become playable in the same Smash game. Imagine Ultimate Ridley fighting Brawl Ridley for example.

 

[Mamboo07]

You know, I sometimes picture Kirby and Dee being like siblings/brothers towards each other.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

I'd rather wish this pass was first party focused. We had enough fun with the 3rd parties in the first pass, but that's my bias talking.

Honestly, i agree. Look i love Crash and Ryu Hayabusa, but the heavy foucs on Third Parties was exhausting last time. They should be used sparringly, not be the main focus, and now everybody is on the "SMasH iS AbOut THe HiSTOry of GAMinG" even though it does a bad job at it (why is the roster so heavily Nintendo focused if it's in gaming in general? why is mostly japanese if it's about gaming as a whole, which includes many coutries like the United States, Britain, Spain, etc) it's just a shallow exucse to justify adding guest after guest after guest. Imagine if Tekken 7 after adding Geesse and Akuma they added Rugal, Ayane, Liu Kan etc and now people were suddenly like "TEKkEN is ABoUT FigHtING GAme HisTORy".

Im sorry, i got a little tired of this dumb narrative, same with "FiRST ParTiEs Are NoT HyPE".

Not im not saying we should remove Kebab third parties, but seeing more first parties in this Pass would be a very welcome change of pace, even if they end up being characters i don't care about (like Elma or Paper Mario). I mean we got Byleth in the first pass so the opposite of the first pass wouldn't be surprising.

 

[fogbadge]

Imagine Ultimate Ridley fighting Brawl Ridley for example.

ok. its quite amusing

 

[Perkilator]

Absolutely when it comes to Spirits, Assist Trophies, and Mii costumes. But it would look awkward if a boss was downsized and become playable in the same Smash game. Imagine Ultimate Ridley fighting Brawl Ridley for example.

That reminds me; what if Meta Ridley was never an alt for normal Ridley, and was a boss instead? Depending on his Classic Mode route, would Bandana Dee fight him?

Base Ridley wouldn't, that's for sure.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That reminds me; what if Meta Ridley was never an alt for normal Ridley, and was a boss instead? Depending on his Classic Mode route, would Bandana Dee fight him?

Base Ridley wouldn't, that's for sure.

It would still look awkward because they're both Ridley.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

I'm not against third-parties at all, but I hope they're not the only thing we get from now on, and I doubt they will be.

 

[Perkilator]

It would still look awkward because they're both Ridley.

Only if Meta Ridley was in the boss rush at the final battle, because if he was in WoL normally, he'd probably be a battle to awaken (like Giga Bowser is a battle to awaken )

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Only if Meta Ridley was in the boss rush at the final battle, because if he was in WoL normally, he'd probably be a battle to awaken (like Giga Bowser is a battle to awaken )

Well if you put it that way I guess it makes sense.

 

[Mamboo07]

Only if Meta Ridley was in the boss rush at the final battle, because if he was in WoL normally, he'd probably be a battle to awaken (like Giga Bowser is a battle to awaken )

Omega or Proteus would work.

 

[SharkLord]

I really dislike BWD movesets with the Beam Rod. I'm aware of it just being a fan thing but it just really bothers me.

Agreed. That's a Doo thing, not a Dee thing. I've seen some say it matches up with Dedede's Jet Hammer, but that doesn't quite work out because A: Bandana Dee's whole shtick is that he's just an average Dee who stands with big names like Kirby and Meta Knight through dedication alone, and B: Spear Throw makes things a bit trickier, unless Dedede/Bandana Dee has the kind of budget for swiss-army spears.

 

[Troykv]

So in the hypothetical Bandana Dee Spirit Boards could for the most part focus in the newer stuff (2008 onwards) characters that for some reasons didn't appear in release date (probably lack of renders or something like that), and characters that did appear in release date but lacked proper Spirit Battles (Galacta and Sectonia I believe); probably

 

[SharkLord]

So in the hypothetical Bandana Dee Spirit Boards could for the most part focus in the newer stuff (2008 onwards) characters that for some reasons didn't appear in release date (probably lack of renders or something like that), and characters that did appear in release date but lacked proper Spirit Battles (Galacta and Sectonia I believe); probably

I think the majority of the content would focus of modern Kirby, but would still contain bits from all across the series, kinda like how Terry represented all of SNK. For example, we're still missing Spirits for Adeleine, Ribbon, Zero, Dark Meta Knight, and Ice Dragon, among others, and some classic songs like Dark Matter, Miracle Matter, and Checker Knights. The stage would probably be something more modern like Planet Earthfall or the Lor Starcutter, but Kirby has some missing stuff from all over the series.

 

[Mamboo07]

"So y'all say Spirits can be fighters?"

 

[Royalty1702]

BWD could give us an Adeleine Mii Costume.

 

[MattX20]

It always feels like an insubstantial argument every time that I hear that Sakurai has a bias against modern Kirby characters even though Bandana Dee is one he created for SuperStar in 1996. It's true he didn't make the spear based moveset for him, but still

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

It always feels like an insubstantial argument every time that I hear that Sakurai has a bias against modern Kirby characters even though Bandana Dee is one he created for SuperStar in 1996. It's true he didn't make the spear based moveset for him, but still

To be more accurate, Bandana Dee's characterization and modern role is entirely from Kumazaki, from the day the DS remake of KSS existed.

It's more of a "comfort zone" kind of thing, since game devs in Japan rarely want anything to do with stuff made by other people, at least concerning specific series they're directly involved with (crossovers are fine though).

Nevertheless, Min Min's inclusion did prove one thing; key devs from Nintendo can and will have Sak comply to what they want, regardless what his feelings are. All it took from Yabuki was "I want Min Min" to have Sak drop his Ninjara plans (albeit to Mii costume status).

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Oh this is bad. This is real bad. The next main character doesn't have to be the next rep. This makes Marx's chances SKYROCKET. This is bad. This is bad. I know everyone else is celebrating, but I really don't like the look of this.

dude.... Did you forget something

marx is a boss he’s already off the table He can’t be playable

 

[fogbadge]

Nevertheless, Min Min's inclusion did prove one thing; key devs from Nintendo can and will have Sak comply to what they want, regardless what his feelings are. All it took from Yabuki was "I want Min Min" to have Sak drop his Ninjara plans (albeit to Mii costume status).

yeah but he was already considering min min as well, all he did was make his decision for him

 

[MattX20]

To be more accurate, Bandana Dee's characterization and modern role is entirely from Kumazaki, from the day the DS remake of KSS existed.

It's more of a "comfort zone" kind of thing, since game devs in Japan rarely want anything to do with stuff made by other people, at least concerning specific series they're directly involved with (crossovers are fine though).

Nevertheless, Min Min's inclusion did prove one thing; key devs from Nintendo can and will have Sak comply to what they want, regardless what his feelings are. All it took from Yabuki was "I want Min Min" to have Sak drop his Ninjara plans (albeit to Mii costume status).

Even so, Dee's had a healthy amount of fan demand, especially in Japan

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Even so, Dee's had a healthy amount of fan demand, especially in Japan

Which Nintendo presumably noticed due to the ballot.

We'll just have to wait and see, considering how up to now, we still have no news of upcoming Kirby games for this year or the next one, which is really unusual.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

To be more accurate, Bandana Dee's characterization and modern role is entirely from Kumazaki, from the day the DS remake of KSS existed.

It's more of a "comfort zone" kind of thing, since game devs in Japan rarely want anything to do with stuff made by other people, at least concerning specific series they're directly involved with (crossovers are fine though).

Nevertheless, Min Min's inclusion did prove one thing; key devs from Nintendo can and will have Sak comply to what they want, regardless what his feelings are. All it took from Yabuki was "I want Min Min" to have Sak drop his Ninjara plans (albeit to Mii costume status).

This is indeed the case. One example outside of Smash is Nomura and Kingdom Hearts. The FF cast of that game is skewed towards 7 and 8, and the only characters that don't come from those installments are Setzer from FF6 and Vivi from 9. The former because Nomura had a hand in creating him and the later because the staff pressured him to inlcude him in the game. It's also the reason why Waluigi has not made a major appereance in WarioWare or Wario Land since he is a Camelot creation.

 

[MattX20]

I'm just hoping the little dude gets the second chance he deserves

 

[Blackwolf666]

dude.... Did you forget something

marx is a boss he’s already off the table He can’t be playable

Technically, there are bosses in the game that are playable (different forms of them, yes, but still).

Though I still doubt Marx would get in because it would seem a bit boring to give him the same moveset as an already established boss.

 

[SharkLord]

Technically, there are bosses in the game that are playable (different forms of them, yes, but still).

Though I still doubt Marx would get in because it would seem a bit boring to give him the same moveset as an already established boss.

The thing about Marx is that his most iconic form is his boss form, whereas Giga Bowser was made solely for Smash, and with Ganon/Ganondorf it could go either way. It wouldn't quite feel like Marx if he was just a head on a ball.

 

[fogbadge]

we still have no news of upcoming Kirby games for this year or the next one, which is really unusual.

yeah but we all know why

 

[JCKirbs]

The thing about Marx is that his most iconic form is his boss form, whereas Giga Bowser was made solely for Smash, and with Ganon/Ganondorf it could go either way. It wouldn't quite feel like Marx if he was just a head on a ball.

Not to mention that considering how Marx was made into a boss first, probably means that Sakurai may think that Marx as a whole is best represented with his Boss form. Case in point, between when you first encounter Marx in Super Star and when you actually battle him, you definitely see him in his Boss form longer.

Honestly, I don't see why Sakurai would bother to attempt trying to all of a sudden convert Marx into a fighter since he would presumably have to be in his regular form most of the time. Heck, before there wasn't even much to build upon in order to make him a fighter in the first place. Even when Star Allies came around and actually gave him some moves, how well would those even translate into a game like Smash?

Every DLC character so far had a kit based solely on moves and mechanics from their respective games which were translated into a clear moveset that works. From the way I see it, Sakurai would have to downgrade and probably even invent moves for Marx to use since his kit in Star Allies was meant to be undeniably OP.

 

[SharkLord]

Not to mention that considering how Marx was made into a boss first, probably means that Sakurai may think that Marx as a whole is best represented with his Boss form. Case in point, between when you first encounter Marx in Super Star and when you actually battle him, you definitely see him in his Boss form longer.

Honestly, I don't see why Sakurai would bother to attempt trying to all of a sudden convert Marx into a fighter since he would presumably have to be in his regular form most of the time. Heck, before there wasn't even much to build upon in order to make him a fighter in the first place. Even when Star Allies came around and actually gave him some moves, how well would those even translate into a game like Smash?

Every DLC character so far had a kit based solely on moves and mechanics from their respective games which were translated into a clear moveset that works. From the way I see it, Sakurai would have to downgrade and probably even invent moves for Marx to use since his kit in Star Allies was meant to be undeniably OP.

Marx's popularity has only really started popping up after Star Allies. I won't deny that he has his fans, but it feels like some people are only hopping on the bandwagon to get a Kirby rep who isn't "generic hat goomber." I really, really don't like the mentality of wanting a character only out of spite to another. That just comes off as incredibly mean-spirited.

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Kirby may have changed up his look over the years, but the hungry hero is as cute as ever!https://t.co/wxW73Ew1EG pic.twitter.com/Jpmhnu4rZ1

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) June 25, 2020

Could this mean?.....

 

[SharkLord]

Kirby may have changed up his look over the years, but the hungry hero is as cute as ever!https://t.co/wxW73Ew1EG pic.twitter.com/Jpmhnu4rZ1

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) June 25, 2020

Could this mean?.....

Hmm...

 

[fogbadge]

Kirby may have changed up his look over the years, but the hungry hero is as cute as ever!https://t.co/wxW73Ew1EG pic.twitter.com/Jpmhnu4rZ1

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) June 25, 2020

Could this mean?.....

probably not

 

[MattX20]

A new Kirby game will likely happen in the near future though

 

[JCKirbs]

Marx's popularity has only really started popping up after Star Allies. I won't deny that he has his fans, but it feels like some people are only hopping on the bandwagon to get a Kirby rep who isn't "generic hat goomber." I really, really don't like the mentality of wanting a character only out of spite to another. That just comes off as incredibly mean-spirited.

I can count the number of people who haven't used Marx as a blatant counter-pick to Dee with only one hand.
Same thing applies to other characters who apparently are "better picks" for Smash like the rest of the Dream Friends; even though from what I've seen it really just boils down to "they look cooler" or "moveset potential" while completely ignoring whether or not they would genuinely mean something for the franchise from their roles and appearances in comparison to other characters.

For example, would Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight, and Daroach as the Kirby reps sound "right" to you?

Granted, there's nothing wrong with wanting any Kirby character in Smash, but for everything that he's worked up to, and is continuing to work up to, it's pretty clear that we want Bandana Dee in Smash for more than just his appearance and "moveset potential". Bandana Dee is who HAL chose to team up with the Main 3 in 2011 while remaining as one of Kirby's best, mainstay friends since then. Bandana Dee is whom HAL definitively entrusted the Spear Ability to after time went by, a weapon that hasn't been clearly worked with in Smash yet (with Parasol as well). Bandana Dee was chosen as the true, hard-working representative for an iconic species that has been with the Kirby franchise since the very beginning, This is why I'm glad that Smash doesn't always go for characters who look "cool" and have the most "moveset potential" because it would be a disservice to certain characters who really worked their way up within their respective franchises in one way or another. So, while any video game character can join Smash, that doesn't necessarily mean that certain characters will just because of a few opinionated arguments.

This is why Bandana Dee still has a chance, not only because of his popularity, but because of what he practically stands for:

Growth, determination, and friendship... (and apple juice).

 

[MattX20]

I can count the number of people who haven't used Marx as a blatant counter-pick to Dee with only one hand.
Same thing applies to other characters who apparently are "better picks" for Smash like the rest of the Dream Friends; even though from what I've seen it really just boils down to "they look cooler" or "moveset potential" while completely ignoring whether or not they would genuinely mean something for the franchise from their roles and appearances in comparison to other characters.

For example, would Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight, and Daroach as the Kirby reps sound "right" to you?

Granted, there's nothing wrong with wanting any Kirby character in Smash, but for everything that he's worked up to, and is continuing to work up to, it's pretty clear that we want Bandana Dee in Smash for more than just his appearance and "moveset potential". Bandana Dee is who HAL chose to team up with the Main 3 in 2011 while remaining as one of Kirby's best, mainstay friends since then. Bandana Dee is whom HAL definitively entrusted the Spear Ability to after time went by, a weapon that hasn't been clearly worked with in Smash yet (with Parasol as well). Bandana Dee was chosen as the true, hard-working representative for an iconic species that has been with the Kirby franchise since the very beginning, This is why I'm glad that Smash doesn't always go for characters who look "cool" and have the most "moveset potential" because it would be a disservice to certain characters who really worked their way up within their respective franchises in one way or another. So, while any video game character can join Smash, that doesn't necessarily mean that certain characters will just because of a few opinionated arguments.

This is why Bandana Dee still has a chance, not only because of his popularity, but because of what he practically stands for:

Growth, determination, and friendship... (and apple juice).

It also helps he's got a very easy moveset to translate on top of lots of stage options

 

[fogbadge]

A new Kirby game will likely happen in the near future though

itll be hard to top star allies

 

[MattX20]

itll be hard to top star allies

It's not a matter of topping it so much as it is delivering a good game in the end

 

[fogbadge]

It's not a matter of topping it so much as it is delivering a good game in the end

that’s true

 

[SharkLord]

I can count the number of people who haven't used Marx as a blatant counter-pick to Dee with only one hand.
Same thing applies to other characters who apparently are "better picks" for Smash like the rest of the Dream Friends; even though from what I've seen it really just boils down to "they look cooler" or "moveset potential" while completely ignoring whether or not they would genuinely mean something for the franchise from their roles and appearances in comparison to other characters.

For example, would Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight, and Daroach as the Kirby reps sound "right" to you?

Granted, there's nothing wrong with wanting any Kirby character in Smash, but for everything that he's worked up to, and is continuing to work up to, it's pretty clear that we want Bandana Dee in Smash for more than just his appearance and "moveset potential". Bandana Dee is who HAL chose to team up with the Main 3 in 2011 while remaining as one of Kirby's best, mainstay friends since then. Bandana Dee is whom HAL definitively entrusted the Spear Ability to after time went by, a weapon that hasn't been clearly worked with in Smash yet (with Parasol as well). Bandana Dee was chosen as the true, hard-working representative for an iconic species that has been with the Kirby franchise since the very beginning, This is why I'm glad that Smash doesn't always go for characters who look "cool" and have the most "moveset potential" because it would be a disservice to certain characters who really worked their way up within their respective franchises in one way or another. So, while any video game character can join Smash, that doesn't necessarily mean that certain characters will just because of a few opinionated arguments.

This is why Bandana Dee still has a chance, not only because of his popularity, but because of what he practically stands for:

Growth, determination, and friendship... (and apple juice).

Well, it depends. Bandana Dee is the no-brainer in this day and age, but if we dial back a few years, maybe it'll be someone different. Adeleine would be the next one in line for the early 2000's, Daroach would be the fourth for the mid/late-2000's, and now Bandana Dee is the rep of choice for the 2010's, a trend that looks to be continuing into the new decade.
In fact, I'd argue the reason Bandana Dee got so far is indirectly because of Smash. The attention given to Kirby and co. in Brawl gave the series a bit of a push, and that led to Kirby being treated as at least a semi-major game. Due to this, coupled with the technological advancements, Kirby games slowly became just a little more continuity-based. In turn, this led to the Kirby cast becoming more recurring beyond just Kirby, Dedede, and Meta Knight, a phenomenon best observed in Bandana Dee and Magolor. This all came to a head with Star Allies, which pulled an EVERYONE IS HERE! of it's own and dropped a ton of lore on our heads.
In short, the reason Bandana Dee got farther than characters in similar positions, like Gooey and Adeleine, is because he came to prominence in an era where Kirby focused on continuity a bit more.

itll be hard to top star allies

Depends on what you're looking for. Star Allies is king when it comes to continuity and references, but many prefer the 3DS games' more complex stages and somewhat higher difficulty, me included. That being said, Star Allies sold well and most likely introduced a wide variety of new players to the franchise, meaning HAL is able to ramp up the complexity and difficulty a bit.