Bandana Dee, the Legend of Dee - Our Star Ally as DeeLC?! (v(- ' ' -)>↑

[Hollywoodrok12]

Complete rando, "Xenother." They have zero credibility aside from the claim that Vergeben said they might be right on some things. (In a PM, not publicly. Not entirely sure how much Verge believes him, even.)

That sounds like another Hitagi, if you ask me. Does NOT bode well for Bandana Dee.

 

[GooberHonker]

That sounds like another Hitagi, if you ask me. Does NOT bode well for Bandana Dee.

A lot of things haven't boded well for him, yet here we are. I don't listen to leaks like this, Verge's credibility is one thing but some guy who Verge only said "Yeah, I talked to him." doesn't hold too much merit to me personally. (Also I heard someone on here say that this fella said Chun-Li was cut, even though Sakurai himself stated that there were no cuts from the plan this time. So make of that what you will) So as always don't lose hope!

 

[Royalty1702]

Guys, Inside Games (Japanese site), did a poll where 986 people voted on who they wanted in Smash. The results: https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2018/11/24/118908.html

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guess who's number 1

 

[SwitchButton]

Guys, Inside Games (Japanese site), did a poll where 986 people voted on who they wanted in Smash. The results: https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2018/11/24/118908.html

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guess who's number 1

That's the power of Dee

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Bad news for a certain fanbase out there. Only check the spoiler if you are mentally ready for it.

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Marx has been confirmed to be the new Ridley.

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This is pretty good news for Dee. Marx was his biggest competitor by far. I envisioned a scenario where Nintendo let Sakurai choose out of Bandana and Marx for DLC and him picking Marx without hesitation. That's luckily not gonna happen now.

 

[SwitchButton]

Whelp, I've seen the entire list of Spirits.

Piranha Plant, the only known DLC fighter, does NOT have a Spirit of any kind in the base game. Which makes me think that Spirits are deconfirmation. Almost every Kirby character you can think of has a Spirit. Bandana Dee, Daroach, Rick, Magolor, The Mage sisters, Susie, Elline...

...But not Adeleine. She has no Spirit.

 

[EarlTamm]

Whelp, I've seen the entire list of Spirits.

Piranha Plant, the only known DLC fighter, does NOT have a Spirit of any kind in the base game. Which makes me think that Spirits are deconfirmation. Almost every Kirby character you can think of has a Spirit. Bandana Dee, Daroach, Rick, Magolor, The Mage sisters, Susie, Elline...

...But not Adeleine. She has no Spirit.

It could be due to the Nature of Piranha Plant being worked on during the base game, unlike the rest of the DLC.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

Whelp, I've seen the entire list of Spirits.

Piranha Plant, the only known DLC fighter, does NOT have a Spirit of any kind in the base game. Which makes me think that Spirits are deconfirmation. Almost every Kirby character you can think of has a Spirit. Bandana Dee, Daroach, Rick, Magolor, The Mage sisters, Susie, Elline...

...But not Adeleine. She has no Spirit.

Welp. It's been a good run. Hopefully we'll get em next time... or in another 10-20 Years when Sakurai decides it's finally time to add another Kirby rep if Adeline does get in.

 

[FancySmash]

Whelp, I've seen the entire list of Spirits.

Piranha Plant, the only known DLC fighter, does NOT have a Spirit of any kind in the base game. Which makes me think that Spirits are deconfirmation. Almost every Kirby character you can think of has a Spirit. Bandana Dee, Daroach, Rick, Magolor, The Mage sisters, Susie, Elline...

...But not Adeleine. She has no Spirit.

That's a problem. Still, does Adeleine have that great a chance at DLC? I understand she's popular, but her popularity was mainly silent until Star Allies returned her.

 

[EarlTamm]

That's a problem. Still, does Adeleine have that great a chance at DLC? I understand she's popular, but her popularity was mainly silent until Star Allies returned her.

I am a supporter, but I am not entirely sure. She is certainly popular, but like you said it only became really evident when Dream Friends started popping up. She would certainly give a unique move set. I think the biggest question is Sakurai's opinion on her, or to be more specific, has his opinion on her changed. From what I understand, Sakurai was not exactly fond of having a human in the Kirby series.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

That's a problem. Still, does Adeleine have that great a chance at DLC? I understand she's popular, but her popularity was mainly silent until Star Allies returned her.

I think she has a chance solely based on the "I want to spite Modern Kirby Fans/Bandana Dee fans Factor". I also think we should just wait until either a Ballot or the next Smash game in 6-10 Years so we can have a chance again.

 

[FancySmash]

I am a supporter, but I am not entirely sure. She is certainly popular, but like you said it only became really evident when Dream Friends started popping up. She would certainly give a unique move set. I think the biggest question is Sakurai's opinion on her, or to be more specific, has his opinion on her changed. From what I understand, Sakurai was not exactly fond of having a human in the Kirby series.

Hmm, I suppose I can understand that, as she does certainly stand out from the rest of the Kirby cast. That said, all this seems to imply Kirby will never get another character in Smash, especially if he's willing to add Chef Kawasaki as an assist trophy before Bandana Dee, that is if Bandana Dee isn't a consideration for DLC (though I also realize that Chef Kawasaki seems to 'replace' Kirby's old final smash).

 

[SwitchButton]

Adeleine is without a doubt a fan favorite of the Kirby series. She's kinda like K.Rool, where she remained and even became even more popular despite not appearing for an extremely long time.

When she was revealed for Star Allies, she trended on Twitter for a full day, something no other dream friend has ever done.

Meh. If we lost to her I wouldn't mind. She's still a non-sakurai Kirby character, so at least he'd need to cast aside his bias to add her

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

Adeleine is without a doubt a fan favorite of the Kirby series. She's kinda like K.Rool, where she remained and even became even more popular despite not appearing for an extremely long time.

When she was revealed for Star Allies, she trended on Twitter for a full day, something no other dream friend has ever done.

Meh. If we lost to her I wouldn't mind. She's still a non-sakurai Kirby character, so at least he'd need to cast aside his bias to add her

I'm pretty sure she's a Sakurai character tho, since Sakurai worked on Kirby games up until Air Ride

 

[SwitchButton]

I'm pretty sure she's a Sakurai character tho, since Sakurai worked on Kirby games up until Air Ride

Adeleine was created by Shimomura, the director of Dreamland 2, 3, and Crystal Shards

 

[FancySmash]

I'm pretty sure she's a Sakurai character tho, since Sakurai worked on Kirby games up until Air Ride

I believe his work on the Dark Matter trilogy (Dream Land 2,3, and Kirby 64) is a bit spotty.

Adeleine is without a doubt a fan favorite of the Kirby series. She's kinda like K.Rool, where she remained and even became even more popular despite not appearing for an extremely long time.

When she was revealed for Star Allies, she trended on Twitter for a full day, something no other dream friend has ever done.

Meh. If we lost to her I wouldn't mind. She's still a non-sakurai Kirby character, so at least he'd need to cast aside his bias to add her

I could maybe get behind Adeline if she sticks around with the series, it's just she's been MIA for so long that a character like Bandana Dee who has been here for most of the series till now would be... actually, I guess we'd be put in a similar camp to Dixie Kong, huh?

 

[SwitchButton]

actually, I guess we'd be put in a similar camp to Dixie Kong, huh?

Haha oh man speaking of: Dixie Kong is a Mii Costume in Smash Ultimate. Talk about having a rough time.

Marx's hat is also a Mii costume piece, but that doesn't really sting much since he's a confirmed boss fight

 

[Acemania]

If Adeleine got in, I honestly wouldn't mind much since she would be a non-Sakurai rep and her moveset could be pretty cool, but getting her over the Dee would still hurt quite a bit.

 

[FancySmash]

Haha oh man speaking of: Dixie Kong is a Mii Costume in Smash Ultimate. Talk about having a rough time.

Marx's hat is also a Mii costume piece, but that doesn't really sting much since he's a confirmed boss fight

Oof, a lot of fan favorites are being hit hard.

It's only confirming to me that DLC will be third parties, and Gen 8 Pokemon/FE 3 Houses.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

Adeleine was created by Shimomura, the director of Dreamland 2, 3, and Crystal Shards

I believe his work on the Dark Matter trilogy (Dream Land 2,3, and Kirby 64) is a bit spotty.


I could maybe get behind Adeline if she sticks around with the series, it's just she's been MIA for so long that a character like Bandana Dee who has been here for most of the series till now would be... actually, I guess we'd be put in a similar camp to Dixie Kong, huh?

A big reason why I wanted Bandana Dee in the first place is so we could finally get Modern Kirby representation besides FSs and things that already exist, so it'd be almost as bad as Marx getting in.

Oof, a lot of fan favorites are being hit hard.

It's only confirming to me that DLC will be third parties, and Gen 8 Pokemon/FE 3 Houses.

If this was Twitter, I'd RT that.

 

[EarlTamm]

Hey, does anyone remember Brawl in the Family?

 

[TreeBranch]

Dang, Adeline really doesn't have a spirit? I don't know if this is good or bad. Would Nintendo really choose Adeline over Bandana Dee?

 

[StormC]

Getting Adeleine instead of Bandana Dee would be a genuine swerve, but I could make do with her. She's cool and could have a fun moveset, while representing a side of Kirby completely outside of Sakurai's comfort zone.

Still hoping for the Dee first and foremost, but this adds an interesting wrinkle to it.

 

[Acemania]

Boy... um... we're in a weird spot, aren't we? Bandana Dee is a spirit, Marx is a boss/spirit, Adeleine has suddenly become a relevant contender, and we seem to be confused as to whether any of this is good or bad. This month has truly been a wild one.

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

I'm rooting for Bandana Dee even harder than ever before now. Dixie is a Mii Costume, Rex is a Mii Costume, Krystal became an assist trophy, Isaac assist trophy, Waluigi is an assist trophy, Spring-Man is an assist trophy, Ribbon Girl is a Mii costume, Chibi-Robo is a mii costume, Black Knight is an assist trophy, Skull Kid is an assist trophy, Captain Toad is a background cameo. Good bejeezus, be thankful the Dee is merely a spirit (don't think Spirits deconfirm characters like costumes and assist trophies do) and as popular as he is in Japan because if the DLC has NO 1st parties (outside of another FE or Pokemon character) I'm gonna be insanely disappointed (that's why I didn't buy the fighter pass).

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Whelp, I've seen the entire list of Spirits.

Piranha Plant, the only known DLC fighter, does NOT have a Spirit of any kind in the base game. Which makes me think that Spirits are deconfirmation. Almost every Kirby character you can think of has a Spirit. Bandana Dee, Daroach, Rick, Magolor, The Mage sisters, Susie, Elline...

...But not Adeleine. She has no Spirit.

Pretty sure and the 5 DLC characters were decided seperately from eachother. Piranha might've been planned much earlier than we thought.
Adeline does concern me though...
Edit: been hearing other 64 characters like Ribbon, 02, etc are absent as well. Taranza and Hyness are also not there. Looks like not every Nintendo character under the sun is a spirit.

 

[ZTurtle]

Haven't posted here in a while... but man, has it been a roller coaster this month as a Bandana Dee supporter.

November 1st Direct- Many deconfirmations, except the Dee, hope.

Nintendo is choosing the DLC- First Party's chances seem higher.

Bandana Dee's Spirit is seen- discouraging, but maybe not necessarily damning.

Piranha Plant has no Spirit, Adeleine has no spirit, but most other Kirby characters do?

I'm honestly at a loss as to how to feel about Dee's chances, and the idea of Adeleine getting in instead. On one hand, she isn't a Sakurai character, and I do like her a lot... (She was definitely the Dream Friend I was most hyped for) But I would feel super mixed about her getting in before Dee for the same reason I was mixed about Marx's potential inclusion: Adeleine vanished off the face of the Earth for the longest time and hasn't yet been cemented into the main cast the way Dee has.

If she gets in because HAL is gearing up to make her a mainstay in the future, then I guess it would make sense in retrospect. As it is now, the thought her getting in before Dee does honestly bum me out a bit... Well, I would at least be happy that Kirby is getting some more representation (And more music, since Kirby only got TWO remixes, and we don't even have Masked Dedede or ANY of Star Dream's phases), and if there's going to be a second wave of DLC, I'll hope with all my heart that Dee makes it into that wave.

Well, whatever the case, Adeleine isn't confirmed yet of course, so we'll have to wait and see. I'll be a bit happy if she does get in, but there's definitely going to be a little bit of lingering disappointment on the inside. I only hope that the cards are in Dee's favor...

 

[Chandeelure]

Yeah, I don't want to sound offensive, but the obvious reason Adeleine doesn't have a Spirit is because not every character needs one and Adeleine is definitely not a character that NEEDS a Spirit.

There are some recent characters like Taranza, Haltmann, Hyness or even other Kirby 64 characters like 02 and Ribbon who also lack Spirits and should have one over her, so it doesn't matter at all.

 

[Makai Wars]

So ya'll got spirited too huh? Yeap. Welcome to purgatory. I still don't think it's over for you guys though, Dee has so much support behind him!
I'd personally adore Adeleine since 64 was my first Kirby game but as others have stated Kirby 64 has zero spirits so it might be a case of Sakurai bias working against them.

 

[FancySmash]

So ya'll got spirited too huh? Yeap. Welcome to purgatory. I still don't think it's over for you guys though, Dee has so much support behind him!
I'd personally adore Adeleine since 64 was my first Kirby game but as others have stated Kirby 64 has zero spirits so it might be a case of Sakurai bias working against them.

That's fine, different blokes for different folks and all. Aside from that, thanks for the welcome. Gotta be honest, the purgatory realm doesn't feel that great, but a welcome makes it feel a little lighter.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

My stance on this? I'd be perfectly fine with having Adeleine in, I never actually thought she'd get a chance until next game.

Besides, to be entirely fair, Kirby voted for her too.

 

[Awesomeperson159]

How many times do I have to say this? Spirits don't deconfirm characters.
- Currently playable characters like Daisy and K. Rool have spirits.
- The only reason Plant doesn't have a spirit is either because we haven't seen it, or he was decided before the spirits were finalized. He was also decided separately from the other DLC characters.
- Spirits are basically trophies in that they're "you tried, here's a trophy/spirit because we know you exist", which is relevant because Mewtwo and Lucas had 2 and 1 trophies respectively before they were added as DLC in 4.

 

[ChronoBound]

Haha oh man speaking of: Dixie Kong is a Mii Costume in Smash Ultimate. Talk about having a rough time.

The Dixie Kong "Mii costume" is apparently just a hat. Whether the hat is simply a pink beret, or a beret with a ponytail, time will tell.

The worst news though is that there is no spirit of the plant. Yes. Out of 1,300 spirits, there is nothing of one of the most common enemies in Mario. This might be a confirmation that spirits are de-confirmations and that our DLC is going to be third-parties and advertisements.

I also seriously doubt Adeline is going to be DLC.

 

[smileMasky]

Hey guys can you please not post spoilers kind of want to experience it a bit blindly. Kind of pissed mexico got it early.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

How many times do I have to say this? Spirits don't deconfirm characters.
- Currently playable characters like Daisy and K. Rool have spirits.
- The only reason Plant doesn't have a spirit is either because we haven't seen it, or he was decided before the spirits were finalized. He was also decided separately from the other DLC characters.
- Spirits are basically trophies in that they're "you tried, here's a trophy/spirit because we know you exist", which is relevant because Mewtwo and Lucas had 2 and 1 trophies respectively before they were added as DLC in 4.

On that note, I seriously wonder if anyone ever thought the Duck Hunt ducks would ever be playable in Melee.

Edit:

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And it seems the credits themes for Dream Land and Super Star are in. I am perfectly okay with this, since Sparkling Stars is my favorite Kirby credits theme.

 

[MrArska]

Now, it's getting interesting (and scary for our boy imo).

Spoiler: Some stuff related to game leaks here

-Adeline is now seemingly the new "threat", replacing Marx (To me, any Kirby newcomers are real nice but BWD is by far my most wanted.)
-Someone that Vergeben has seemingly claimed as possibly having some legitemate info has deconfirmed Fighters Pass DeeLC
-Spirits are still unsure whether they de-confirm or not (personally still on the boat that they don't de-confirm)
I personally think it's pretty unlikely that Fighters Pass is all of the DLC, so if we miss this we might have a chance.
My faith in the Dee has very slightly worsened, but I'd argue our chances are still high.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Now, it's getting interesting (and scary for our boy imo).

Spoiler: Some stuff related to game leaks here

-Adeline is now seemingly the new "threat", replacing Marx (To me, any Kirby newcomers are real nice but BWD is by far my most wanted.)
-Someone that Vergeben has seemingly claimed as possibly having some legitemate info has deconfirmed Fighters Pass DeeLC
-Spirits are still unsure whether they de-confirm or not (personally still on the boat that they don't de-confirm)
I personally think it's pretty unlikely that Fighters Pass is all of the DLC, so if we miss this we might have a chance.
My faith in the Dee has very slightly worsened, but I'd argue our chances are still high.

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-Several other Kirby characters from 64, and even more recent games, are also not spirits. This isn't a big deal.

-The guy that was messaged by Vergeben (xenother) has even less credibility than Hitagi. Don't bother listening to them.

-Spirits don't disconfirm characters and they never have.

According to someone with insider info in the Geno thread, we're getting at least 2 fan favorite characters. Considering Bandana Dee is the most requested in general... I think we're gonna be fine, guys.

 

[MrArska]

According to someone with insider info in the Geno thread, we're getting at least 2 fan favorite characters. Considering Bandana Dee is the most requested in general... I think we're gonna be fine, guys.

Has this person had correct info in the past?

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Has this person had correct info in the past?

Not entirely sure, but the people in the Geno thread seem to trust them as much as Vergeben.

 

[MrArska]

Not entirely sure, but the people in the Geno thread seem to trust them as much as Vergeben.

Interesting. Haven't heard of this person.