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Alright, so here I come into your thread with a belt buckle the size of dinner plate and I'm sitting at the table. I'm okay with BWD making it into Smash but I thought I would play devil's advocate and give you all a thought exercise:

I've been a low-key Toad fan since Melee but he's been shot down time and time again, despite even starring in several of his own games and actually appearing in more games than Luigi, Bowser, and Peach. That being said, what differentiates Bandana Dee from Toad?
 

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This still makes me laugh.
There was a problem fetching the tweet
... it's really weird to see those renders from VG Resource being used because I was the one who updated most of the RtDL ones during the renovation. :x

On that note: If you guys ever want less awful quality renders, just give me a poke, though it might take a bit because I'm a pretty rusty with 3D.
 

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Alright, so here I come into your thread with a belt buckle the size of dinner plate and I'm sitting at the table. I'm okay with BWD making it into Smash but I thought I would play devil's advocate and give you all a thought exercise:

I've been a low-key Toad fan since Melee but he's been shot down time and time again, despite even starring in several of his own games and actually appearing in more games than Luigi, Bowser, and Peach. That being said, what differentiates Bandana Dee from Toad?
Hey, I want Toad too! And I mean they don't exactly fill the same roles all the time but I can see some similarities. I thin kthe fact that Dee has become such an important character being always at Kirby's side recently is what edges him above Toad personally.

But yea, give us Toad too please!
 

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Alright, so here I come into your thread with a belt buckle the size of dinner plate and I'm sitting at the table. I'm okay with BWD making it into Smash but I thought I would play devil's advocate and give you all a thought exercise:

I've been a low-key Toad fan since Melee but he's been shot down time and time again, despite even starring in several of his own games and actually appearing in more games than Luigi, Bowser, and Peach. That being said, what differentiates Bandana Dee from Toad?
Comparing Waddle Dees to Toads, both species have singled out a specific member: Bandana Dee and C. Toad.

The issue between Dee and C. Toad (henceforth referred to as CT), is their placement in games. Dee has been a playable character in 3 major Kirby games, as well as spinoffs and has consistently been in Kirby games for the last decade. The first official appearance of CT was in 2014. He has one major game that has been ported twice and is otherwise only seen in cameo roles. He is only a major story character in one game (ported twice), which is a spinoff.

Dee has been in a lot of the spinoffs, but so far CT has really only been in his own game. "Toad" is the only character we see in Mariokart/Mario tennis, etc.

The deal is that Dee is simply more important to the Kirby universe than CT is to the Mario universe. The minute CT plays a major role in a non spinoff Mario title is the day I'm wrong. But as for now, CT acted only as filler for areas in some Mario games with only one title to his name, making him, IMO, not the "major and important Mario character" some people claim he is.
 

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I'd like to also note that regular Toad has more in common with Bandanna Waddle Dee. Captain Toad is a unique member and his own game meant to be a puzzle game. Regular Toad is meanwhile a slightly different colored version with his own abilities, playable, and meant to represent the 4th player in his own way. That's what Bandanna Waddle Dee generally does.

Captain Toad also has way different gameplay from regular Toad and the race in general. Bandanna Waddle Dee has a lot of abilities from regular Waddle Dees. Basically, regular Toad is what Bandanna Waddle Dee is. Not the most unique character in name, but highly unique, stand out, the 4th player, and a very important character.

I've been interested in him being in for a while now. You can easily add me to the support list~
 

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Alright, so here I come into your thread with a belt buckle the size of dinner plate and I'm sitting at the table. I'm okay with BWD making it into Smash but I thought I would play devil's advocate and give you all a thought exercise:

I've been a low-key Toad fan since Melee but he's been shot down time and time again, despite even starring in several of his own games and actually appearing in more games than Luigi, Bowser, and Peach. That being said, what differentiates Bandana Dee from Toad?
Generally speaking, Big N have taken him for granted for a while (especially once Tanabe dragged down the Paper Mario series), so Captain Toad is his big break that he needed. However, Treasure Tracker came a little too late to consider into Ultimate's blueprint, so he'll have to wait until next time.

Regular Toad most likely won't be taken out of Peach (and by proxy Daisy)'s moveset any time soon, so until then the Captain's the best next option people will settle for and support.

Also, the Captain's thread is too depressing to discuss him on, honestly.
 
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I'd like to also note that regular Toad has more in common with Bandanna Waddle Dee. Captain Toad is a unique member and his own game meant to be a puzzle game. Regular Toad is meanwhile a slightly different colored version with his own abilities, playable, and meant to represent the 4th player in his own way. That's what Bandanna Waddle Dee generally does.

Captain Toad also has way different gameplay from regular Toad and the race in general. Bandanna Waddle Dee has a lot of abilities from regular Waddle Dees. Basically, regular Toad is what Bandanna Waddle Dee is. Not the most unique character in name, but highly unique, stand out, the 4th player, and a very important character.

I've been interested in him being in for a while now. You can easily add me to the support list~
BWD is much closer to Blue toad from SM3D world or the playable toad in SMB2, (that might be what you meant) but with the relevance/popularity/uniqueness of captain toad.

Personally I like to think of BWD as the Luigi of Kirby, with DDD and MK being the Wario/Waluigi of Kirby.
 

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BWD is much closer to Blue toad from SM3D world or the playable toad in SMB2, (that might be what you meant) but with the relevance/popularity/uniqueness of captain toad.

Personally I like to think of BWD as the Luigi of Kirby, with DDD and MK being the Wario/Waluigi of Kirby.
Not exactly the most ideal comparison, since MK actually gets to do important things, but otherwise I agree.
 

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Personally I like to think of BWD as the Luigi of Kirby, with DDD and MK being the Wario/Waluigi of Kirby.
You really can't compare the main Kirby characters to the main Mario characters because they are very different from each other in every way. Plus, after Mario and Luigi, Bowser and Peach would be the most important Mario characters.
 

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I'd like to also note that regular Toad has more in common with Bandanna Waddle Dee. Captain Toad is a unique member and his own game meant to be a puzzle game. Regular Toad is meanwhile a slightly different colored version with his own abilities, playable, and meant to represent the 4th player in his own way. That's what Bandanna Waddle Dee generally does.
How so? When I picture Toads or just regular Toad specifically, this comes to mind:


Unless that is considered the main Toad. I thought there was more than one with that coloration.

I've been a low-key Toad fan since Melee but he's been shot down time and time again, despite even starring in several of his own games and actually appearing in more games than Luigi, Bowser, and Peach. That being said, what differentiates Bandana Dee from Toad?

I feel like with Toad and Bandana Waddle Dee, they do have their fair share of similarities. However, what separates Toad from BWD is just the Mario universe itself. It is always changing and does not stick to a regular formula, which the Kirby series does. With Kirby, you can say that the main three-four characters are Kirby, King Dedede, Meta Knight, and Bandana Waddle, and nobody would really give you a second glance. But try naming the main four Mario characters. Mario, Luigi, Wario, Waluigi? Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser? Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Toad? The point is, there isn't really a set standard when it comes to Mario games. They are pretty different from each other because Mario tends to have different series inside his larger franchise, so the only real main Mario character is Mario himself.

It's a lot different with Kirby, as I stated above. Kirby is typically consistent with him, King Dedede, Meta Knight, and more recently Bandana Waddle Dee. He's been treated as the consistent fourth player for a bit of time now, and I feel like that differentiates him from Toad. Yes, you can make the argument that with more recent games like the New Super Mario Bros. series Toad has been treated as players 3-4, but overall as a series, Toad is just one of many side characters, but with Bandana Dee it's different because he's been consistently treated as the player 4.

But Captain Toad? That's a whole different can of worms...
 

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Alright, so here I come into your thread with a belt buckle the size of dinner plate and I'm sitting at the table. I'm okay with BWD making it into Smash but I thought I would play devil's advocate and give you all a thought exercise:

I've been a low-key Toad fan since Melee but he's been shot down time and time again, despite even starring in several of his own games and actually appearing in more games than Luigi, Bowser, and Peach. That being said, what differentiates Bandana Dee from Toad?
Dee got the hat first but Toad was Player 4 without a hat.
 

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Iirc it was actually the Isaac fans here trying to defend people who were bashing Isaac here.
No it was the exact same as today. Isaac fans simply out to cause harm. That's why they raided this thread rather then sticking to their own.

People are just seething mad at the idea of Dee being the only likely fan favorite pick left I guess. Nothing more.
 

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No it was the exact same as today. Isaac fans simply out to cause harm. That's why they raided this thread rather then sticking to their own.

People are just seething mad at the idea of Dee being the only likely fan favorite pick left I guess. Nothing more.
I am pretty sure it wasn't since I was on the side of the Isaac fans. Anyway let's not discuss it today has already been eventful and I would rather no more drama especially not revolving around my 2 most wanted.
 

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I am pretty sure it wasn't since I was on the side of the Isaac fans
Which means you were out to cause harm. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted about it here. If you really weren't then you'd admit that you made a mistake bringing drama here and would drop it.
 

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No it was the exact same as today. Isaac fans simply out to cause harm. That's why they raided this thread rather then sticking to their own.

People are just seething mad at the idea of Dee being the only likely fan favorite pick left I guess. Nothing more.
I'm never really active on this thread, so I don't really keep up with what goes on here. You said some Isaac supporters raided this thread? If so, than that's a shame because I thought a lot of them were good sportsmen and respected other highly requested characters getting in.
 

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Ok I just backtracked and it wasn't a raid at all we were just discussing Isaac and then it became an argument wheteher it mattered that his series was dead and then some Isaac fans got involved.
 

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Someone said something about posting BWD memes earlier, so I made this low-tier ****post:

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Stop being mean to the lad he's a good boy!!
 

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Please let’s not get in the bashing other characters game. That guy’s obviously trolling, but I’m sure as a group of Kirby fans there are some of us who enjoy Marx.
Sorry about that. I enjoy Marx too. It's just the people who put him (or any other character) on some pedestal over every other character that irks me.

I'd like to also note that regular Toad has more in common with Bandanna Waddle Dee. Captain Toad is a unique member and his own game meant to be a puzzle game. Regular Toad is meanwhile a slightly different colored version with his own abilities, playable, and meant to represent the 4th player in his own way. That's what Bandanna Waddle Dee generally does.

Captain Toad also has way different gameplay from regular Toad and the race in general. Bandanna Waddle Dee has a lot of abilities from regular Waddle Dees. Basically, regular Toad is what Bandanna Waddle Dee is. Not the most unique character in name, but highly unique, stand out, the 4th player, and a very important character.
The thing is with Toad or Blue Toad is that we don't know if they are actual characters. Like, let's say this: we don't even know if NSMB Blue Toad is the same as SM3DW Blue Toad because there are so many Blue Toads running around in the Mario world. The same can be said with "regular" Red Toad. But you can't say the same for BWD, as he's not only a slightly different colored version of a Waddle Dee but he's the only Waddle Dee we've seen with that color (and accessories).
 
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We don’t actually know if they’ll work that way or not since they haven’t shown any actual gameplay of them, not even a single screenshot; for all we know, they might work like Pokémon Trainer in Smash where you play as one at a time with full movesets but you can switch between them whenever you want.
Don't worry, I was just joking since they're another trio Dream Friend, I couldn't resist to make that joke. I agree that they'll work similar to Pokemon Trainer, I remember finding pictures on how they would play on Twitter where it looks like they would high-five each other to switch places. If Francisca wanted to switch places, she would high-five Flamberge and make her playable, just like the Pokemon Trainer but with the poke-balls. I also noticed that there is a power ability next to their icon depending on who you play as, like the fire sword or ice hammer. So if you play as Flamberge, then there's a fire ability image next to their shared icon, Francisca has ice when you play as her and Zan has the zap power up. I think this is smart because they almost have the same fighting style, so depending on what ability they have next to their icon, that's when things get crazy.
Wait, I found the pictures:
 

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Sorry about that. I enjoy Marx too. It's just the people who put him (or any other character) on some pedestal over every other character that irks me.
Agreed.
That's where the whole "slots" thing comes into play when people think about what Smash characters should get into Smash.
 
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I've been a low-key Toad fan since Melee but he's been shot down time and time again, despite even starring in several of his own games and actually appearing in more games than Luigi, Bowser, and Peach. That being said, what differentiates Bandana Dee from Toad?
That's a very good question.

When it comes to Kirby, there are really four major characters. There is Kirby, the hero of the franchise. King Dedede, the self-proclaimed king and rival to Kirby. Meta Knight, another one of Kirby's rival and a mentor of sorts to him. And then there is Bandana Dee... a very close ally and friend to Kirby.
The thing with Peach and Toad is that Toad is her royal guardsman and is obedient to her; this is why, sad to say, it makes sense for Toad to be a part of Peach's moveset. Toad is there to protect Peach when needed and will aid her no matter what.
Bandana Dee isn't much of a guardsman to King Dedede like Toad is to Peach. While that has been presented in games like Kirby Super Star Ultra, he still acts on his own volition. He aids Kirby in Battle Royale, and I believe he even aids Kirby against King Dedede. It's clear that Dee's dynamic with Kirby is far different than Toad has with Peach.

He's not some random Waddle Dee or just Kirby's sidekick, he's an important friend that aids Kirby. He gives Kirby health items before boss fights, he was the first Dream Friend to aid Kirby and waited for that moment, and he helped Kirby collect the Crystal Shards.
As much as I like Toad, there isn't much to separate him from the rest aside from his design. I love the Mario series, but I find every Toad to pretty much be the same character (aside from established ones like Captain Toad or Toadsworth or ones in the first two Paper Marios). But Bandana Dee isn't just a Waddle Dee; he has a unique coloring, uses a spear when Kirby can't in Star Allies, wears a bandana to signify how important he is. He has his own character.

That's what I think separates Bandana Dee from Toad. Admittedly I was worried before with the Toad argument for Bandana Dee and how he won't be playable because Toad couldn't make it. But... I don't think that anymore. I'm more confident in Dee than I was before and if he doesn't make it now, I'll be even more confident the next time.
 

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The thing is with Toad or Blue Toad is that we don't know if they are actual characters. Like, let's say this: we don't even know if NSMB Blue Toad is the same as SM3DW Blue Toad because there are so many Blue Toads running around in the Mario world. The same can be said with "regular" Red Toad. But you can't say the same for BWD, as he's not only a slightly different colored version of a Waddle Dee but he's the only Waddle Dee we've seen with that color (and accessories).
No, they're "actual characters". They're just different people. The main Toad, the Yellow Toad, and the other Blue Toad are unique specific ones created to be playable. The main Toad is just more popular for good reasons. If anything, a more clear design or name would be nice.

But all 3 are different characters anyway. Besides that, all that being a "character" is is just being a specific person in a fictional setting with a name and role. Even enemies who do nothing but stand in your way are actual characters. People tend to way overstate what being a character is. That Goomba you squashed? That's still a character. It's just not a well-defined or notable character within that particular game. Still an actual character.

Characters don't necessarily get any real characterization either. That's not a requirement for them to exist. That's just a nice thing that should happen more often. Another example is the Redeads in Majora's Mask. They're hardly special by all means, right? Except they all want something unique from your bottles. In other words, they are given something special about them. That's about as special all all 4 notable male Toads are(main Toad, Blue Toad, Yellow Toad, Captain Toad) by default. It takes little to give characterization. Even if it's a weak archtypal/ill-defined/lazy.
 

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I'm never really active on this thread, so I don't really keep up with what goes on here. You said some Isaac supporters raided this thread? If so, than that's a shame because I thought a lot of them were good sportsmen and respected other highly requested characters getting in.
No Isaac fan came into raid the thread. Switchbutton is only saying that because he was spreading misinformation and got called out on it and saying Isaac hadn't earned his place in Smash. The only Isaac fans who even come over are people who support both Isaac and Dee.
 
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Please let’s not get in the bashing other characters game. That guy’s obviously trolling, but I’m sure as a group of Kirby fans there are some of us who enjoy Marx.
Marx would be cool, period. Heck, any Kirby character would be super cool, they're all unique.
Ok I just backtracked and it wasn't a raid at all we were just discussing Isaac and then it became an argument wheteher it mattered that his series was dead and then some Isaac fans got involved.
I think I accidentally made the post that started that without realizing it........
Don't worry, I was just joking since they're another trio Dream Friend, I couldn't resist to make that joke. I agree that they'll work similar to Pokemon Trainer, I remember finding pictures on how they would play on Twitter where it looks like they would high-five each other to switch places. If Francisca wanted to switch places, she would high-five Flamberge and make her playable, just like the Pokemon Trainer but with the poke-balls. I also noticed that there is a power ability next to their icon depending on who you play as, like the fire sword or ice hammer. So if you play as Flamberge, then there's a fire ability image next to their shared icon, Francisca has ice when you play as her and Zan has the zap power up. I think this is smart because they almost have the same fighting style, so depending on what ability they have next to their icon, that's when things get crazy.
Wait, I found the pictures:
Thanks for the pictures! I'm glad they work as a trio and not like the animal friends, it would suck if I could only use one of them as 1/3 of their moveset.
 
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No it was the exact same as today. Isaac fans simply out to cause harm. That's why they raided this thread rather then sticking to their own.

People are just seething mad at the idea of Dee being the only likely fan favorite pick left I guess. Nothing more.
I'm sorry but that's a lie. A few of you were spreading misinformation about Isaac to other people and we were clearing it up, that's literally all we did. We don't want to start any beef with you guys, I'm only commenting now because I'm not going to stand for someone making lies about the Isaac fanbase. I think Bandana Dee is an awesome character and I'd be happy if he makes it as DLC so I'm leaving this here in case you decide to make another lie that I'm bashing on him.
 
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Hello. Isaac supporter here.

I just wanted to say that I have no beef with you guys. And I'll vouch for most of the supporters of him. Bandana Dee at This point would at least be a fan pick.

But if there is some people who are geninuely attacking BWD fans because of what you support, I'd like to apologize. We cannot control that kind of behavior, but if there is someone's who is trashing you guys, I don't think most of us would act like that's towards you guys.

Honestly, most of us are too depressed about the fate of our franchise that I don't think most on the thread would be in the mood to do stuff like that.

I'll close off the statement with hoping you guys get your character soon...that's more than what we can say about ours.
 
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I'm sorry but that's a lie. A few of you were spreading misinformation about Isaac to other people and we were clearing it up, that's literally all we did. We don't want to start any beef with you guys, I'm only commenting now because I'm not going to stand for someone making lies about the Isaac fanbase. I think Bandana Dee is an awesome character and I'd be happy if he makes it as DLC so I'm leaving this here in case you decide to make another lie that I'm bashing on him.
Don't respond to SwitchButton SwitchButton . They've been saying these kinds of things for quite some time. Just ignore them.
 

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I'm sorry but that's a lie. A few of you were spreading misinformation about Isaac to other people and we were clearing it up, that's literally all we did. We don't want to start any beef with you guys, I'm only commenting now because I'm not going to stand for someone making lies about the Isaac fanbase. I think Bandana Dee is an awesome character and I'd be happy if he makes it as DLC so I'm leaving this here in case you decide to make another lie that I'm bashing on him.
Hello. Isaac supporter here.

I just wanted to say that I have no beef with you guys. And I'll vouch for most of the supporters of him. Bandana Dee at This point would at least be a fan pick.

But if there is some people who are geninuely attacking BWD fans because of what you support, I'd like to apologize. We cannot control that kind of behavior, but if there is someone's who is trashing you guys, I don't think most of us would act like that's towards you guys.

Honestly, most of us are too depressed about the fate of our franchise that I don't think most on the thread would be in the mood to do stuff like that.

I'll close off the statement with hoping you guys get your character soon...that's more than what we can say about ours.
Y'all Isaac fans have had it rough, especially since the last Direct passed by, so I really hope that we're not giving you guys so much of a hard time.
Also, thanks for the continued Bandana Dee support as well. It's quite nice to see that fans of other characters are still rooting for the little guy to join.
 

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I think I speak on behalf of the entirety of this thread when I say

LET'S SHUT UP AND MOVE ON

Sorry if that came off as rude, but this has gone too far. Let's all just forget this whole mess even happened and move on, alright? Discussing it further is just gonna make it worse, so let's all shake hands, say "my bad", and carry on like civilized individuals.
 

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I stand by Skull Kid having it the roughest.

Didn't even get shown in the direct. Just hidden away on the website. The most we accomplished was a more detailed mii costume


I hope we do get season 2 that upgrades popular assist trophies


Bandana Dee feels like my last hope for a most wanted now, the only character I got that I really wanted was Ridley.

Although King Boo has had a bit of a rise in popularity. And Banjo fans still seem to be holding on to some hope I guess.
 
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I stand by Skull Kid having it the roughest.

Didn't even get shown in the direct. Just hidden away on the website. The most we accomplished was a more detailed mii costume


I hope we do get season 2 that upgrades popular assist trophies


Bandana Dee feels like my last hope for a most wanted now, the only character I got that I really wanted was Ridley.

Although King Boo has had a bit of a rise in popularity. And Banjo fans still seem to be holding on to some hope I guess.
I'm not even entirely sure why Skull Kid didn't get an Assist upgrade.
The Zelda series was stuck with the same reps since Melee, and Fire Emblem proved that characters that were important in one game of a series can still be a rep for the whole franchise.

Hopefully a Season 2 does happen, because I think that Sakurai underestimated some character's popularity/importance in their respective franchises.
Although, I still want the man and his team to finally catch a break, so I'll accept anything that happens.
 

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I stand by Skull Kid having it the roughest.

Didn't even get shown in the direct. Just hidden away on the website. The most we accomplished was a more detailed mii costume


I hope we do get season 2 that upgrades popular assist trophies


Bandana Dee feels like my last hope for a most wanted now, the only character I got that I really wanted was Ridley.

Although King Boo has had a bit of a rise in popularity. And Banjo fans still seem to be holding on to some hope I guess.
Is it wierd that for the first time, I'm not even confident in any fan choice being a lock?

Speculation in most threads (except for the ones that have "Leakers" backing them up) are all just kinda sad.

That's why I'm not sure anymore, and hoping to god any fan picks get chosen, because picking only a small handful of them felt dissapponting.

I just wish the ballot had more of an impact.

But hey. I hope you guys continue hoping. I'm sorry about this mess. lol

Y'all Isaac fans have had it rough, especially since the last Direct passed by, so I really hope that we're not giving you guys so much of a hard time.
Also, thanks for the continued Bandana Dee support as well. It's quite nice to see that fans of other characters are still rooting for the little guy to join.
I'm just kinda hoping that Sakurai doesn't add a generic Kirby enemy instead at This point. lol.

But good luck you guys.
 
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