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I don't trust Verge's claims on the DLC.
His sources missed the following significant details about Ultimate:
EVERYONE IS HERE! as such a huge focal point of the E3 showcase, the fact he only had "no cuts from smash 4, icies return" is a little suspicious.
No word about Richter, Dark Samus, or Chrom.
Supposedly sources claimed Isabelle was an echo (can't find evidence for or against this, also the only posts I can find about isabelle seemed to come... after her announcement?)
His play-up of Minecraft content that is now completely absent, even after him also playing up Minecon as a source of information.
Not a WORD about the scope of DLC or.
Very much so might be a case similar to Gematsu last time around, where the information gotten was from older, outdated sources. It'd allign with the utter lack of knowledge on most of the Echo Fighters, who were likely chosen farther into development because of their quick turn around.
Also GBF seems like a kinda underwhelming choice for a new 3rd Party series and company to reach out to.
What would make more sense though: Waddle Doo evolves into Bandana Waddle Dee, which only have association if BWD is the Waddle Dee from Kirby 64, or Waddle Doo evolves into Kracko, a being which not only drops off Waddle Doo in attacks, but also attacks with beam whips (and more), just like Waddle Doo? Also, look at the Charmander. if that Charmander has multiple stages, then it will evolve into a playable fighter. Although assuming the hexagons mean the amount of evolutionary stages, Charmander would only reach Charmeleon. The first point is still valid though. Not to mention that, in the Chef Kawasaki Sweets Party set of figures, Waddle Doo is paired up with Kracko.Waddle Doo is his own bottom level Spirit. I know some people were hoping that he'd be an evolution for the Waddle Dee one. Ruh-Roh
Probably evolves into Bean Kirby and/or King DooWaddle Doo is his own bottom level Spirit. I know some people were hoping that he'd be an evolution for the Waddle Dee one. Ruh-Roh
oh yeah King Doo also makes sense. So either that or Kracko.
Dude. Calm down.This is exactly what I'm talking about.
SAKURAI DOESN'T WRITE THE STORY
He can't be held responsible if you don't like the way it's written. And for the record, even if Kirby is important in the story, who cares? That doesn't make Kirby characters any less deserving to be in smash. Kirby being important doesn't change the way anyone feels. I don't want another 4 Kirby newcomers because I'm a "Kirby elitist" or whatever, I want them because the series actually deserves them.
And calling it "essentially Sakurai Bias" is one of the worst things you can call it. What if Kirby is important to the story for some other reason? he's one of the easiest fighters to get used to and a great way to start an adventure mode. People would call it generic and boring if it were Mario. Whoever wrote the story (NOT SAKURAI) probably wasn't banking on "Youtubers' reaction," either for more hype. They probably actually thought Kirby being the sole survivor was a good idea without any thought to the fact he's Sakurai's creation.
And no, not most people are fine with it. Kirby's in one cutsene? Great! Close the thread, and all other Kirby related threads, because the series doesn't deserve another newcomer! Because Kirby was important in ONE ****ING CUTSCENE, we can all just stash our hopes away and call it even! Who care about Bandana Dee anymore? Because Kirby was important in one cutscene, the series is no longer deserving of another newcomer because of Sakurai Bias!
Next time you go saying "most people" would be fine with something this unimportant, maybe you should actually ask "most people" first.
TL;DR: Your statement is insensitive, uneducated, pointless and factually inaccurate.
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uh Jesus dude you really didn't have to be like that considering he said nothing of the sort and was quoting other people and hot damn it's both insensitive and ironic to use that image and also pretty UncoolThis is exactly what I'm talking about.
SAKURAI DOESN'T WRITE THE STORY
He can't be held responsible if you don't like the way it's written. And for the record, even if Kirby is important in the story, who cares? That doesn't make Kirby characters any less deserving to be in smash. Kirby being important doesn't change the way anyone feels. I don't want another 4 Kirby newcomers because I'm a "Kirby elitist" or whatever, I want them because the series actually deserves them.
And calling it "essentially Sakurai Bias" is one of the worst things you can call it. What if Kirby is important to the story for some other reason? he's one of the easiest fighters to get used to and a great way to start an adventure mode. People would call it generic and boring if it were Mario. Whoever wrote the story (NOT SAKURAI) probably wasn't banking on "Youtubers' reaction," either for more hype. They probably actually thought Kirby being the sole survivor was a good idea without any thought to the fact he's Sakurai's creation.
And no, not most people are fine with it. Kirby's in one cutsene? Great! Close the thread, and all other Kirby related threads, because the series doesn't deserve another newcomer! Because Kirby was important in ONE ****ING CUTSCENE, we can all just stash our hopes away and call it even! Who care about Bandana Dee anymore? Because Kirby was important in one cutscene, the series is no longer deserving of another newcomer because of Sakurai Bias!
Next time you go saying "most people" would be fine with something this unimportant, maybe you should actually ask "most people" first.
TL;DR: Your statement is insensitive, uneducated, pointless and factually inaccurate.
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Fighter Spirits actually don't use thier Smash render. Daisy's was like a pic of her from the GameCube Mario Party games.
Yikes bruv, chill the **** down. I’m up for Kirby to be the hero of Story Mode or whatever, out of the Original 8 he’s the one that makes the most sense.This is exactly what I'm talking about.
SAKURAI DOESN'T WRITE THE STORY
He can't be held responsible if you don't like the way it's written. And for the record, even if Kirby is important in the story, who cares? That doesn't make Kirby characters any less deserving to be in smash. Kirby being important doesn't change the way anyone feels. I don't want another 4 Kirby newcomers because I'm a "Kirby elitist" or whatever, I want them because the series actually deserves them.
And calling it "essentially Sakurai Bias" is one of the worst things you can call it. What if Kirby is important to the story for some other reason? he's one of the easiest fighters to get used to and a great way to start an adventure mode. People would call it generic and boring if it were Mario. Whoever wrote the story (NOT SAKURAI) probably wasn't banking on "Youtubers' reaction," either for more hype. They probably actually thought Kirby being the sole survivor was a good idea without any thought to the fact he's Sakurai's creation.
And no, not most people are fine with it. Kirby's in one cutsene? Great! Close the thread, and all other Kirby related threads, because the series doesn't deserve another newcomer! Because Kirby was important in ONE ****ING CUTSCENE, we can all just stash our hopes away and call it even! Who care about Bandana Dee anymore? Because Kirby was important in one cutscene, the series is no longer deserving of another newcomer because of Sakurai Bias!
Next time you go saying "most people" would be fine with something this unimportant, maybe you should actually ask "most people" first.
TL;DR: Your statement is insensitive, uneducated, pointless and factually inaccurate.
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Yeah, but how many Evolutions can it get? For all we know it could be a 5-stage being Normal -> Parasol -> Big -> Sailor -> (*Gulp*) Bandana
Oh neat! I only saw the Meta Ridley one so I didn't know. Thanks for clarifying!
There's only 4 levels of Spirits, and if Waddle Dee was 2 star I think, at max if he does evolve, it would only be once or twice.
Have we actually seen Waddle Dee's spirit in the menu yet? Or just the direct?
SwitchButton
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Mogisthelioma
: Given that he wrote most of KI:U, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hand in SSE or WoL. He also seems to have a pretty good understanding of animation... he's definitely no one trick pony.
GoodGrief741
: I mean... technically only Sonic, Toon Link, Jigglypuff, and Wolf survived the whole thing. :b Three of them didn't even fully participate. You could add in Dedede, Ness, Luigi, Wario, and Bowser on the technicality that Tabuu didn't turn them into trophies. (Ness was turned by Wario, Luigi was turned by Dedede, Wario was turned by Pokémon Trainer/Lucas, Dedede was turned by falling debris, and Bowser was turned by Ganondorf.) You can finish the game without saving anyone, resulting in the absolute minimum final team of Dedede, Ness, Luigi, Boswer, Kirby, and Sonic.
Not sure what we’re discussing, but I thought I’d answer given that you tagged me and that I just realized that my three mains (Ness, Luigi and Dedede) are characters that survived the Tabuuing.Yesterday I had a weird half-awake dream that there was another live demo of Spirits and that Mr. Sakurai picked Bandana Dee as his Primary Spirit for a decent part of the segment. It was actually pretty calming? (I don't remember dreams very often. Maybe once every one to three months, if that. Just thought it'd be fun to note somewhere.)
Going to try and reply to some things in order before I get too far behind, since this thread picked up a bit...
I'd be happy with a (proper) Castle Dedede stage. I'm not very picky, though, as long as it's not another Green Greens variant. (Yes, that includes the likes of Green Gardens, Cookie Country stages 1 & 2, etc.) Though given my weakness for mirror motifs, an Amazing Mirror stage sounds pretty neat, even if it doesn't make much sense for Dee.
Thank you all for spoiler tagging rumors about DLC. I've already heard of those three rumors because they first popped up over a month ago, but I am trying to avoid DLC ones for now, so I appreciate it. (-cough
I didn't think that the Waddle Doo and Waddle Dee Spirits would be tied to each anyway. We don't know if the Waddle Dee is a Support or Primary Spirit, and even if it is Primary and can be enhanced, there are at least half of a dozen things that it could turn into. We just need to wait and see. I also think that Spirits can only be enhanced once upon reaching the MAX level. The only exception I can think of might be some Pokémon lines for accuracy. (We all know how they love details like that.)
@ All of the "Kirby bias" talk:
I really don't like that phrase... not only because it can have multiple meanings, but because I think it assumes that the situation is simpler than probably it is. We don't know exactly what happened between HAL and Mr. Sakurai, but I get the feeling that there has been quite a bit of conflict behind the scenes for the Kirby series despite being seemingly simple. I'm sure that it has influenced decisions on both sides, and still does, even if they claim to be on decent terms.
That said: As far as I'm concerned, Mr. Sakurai obviously still loves the little guy and just wants to do what he can to work with him. Without Smash, he would be completely cut off from the series. I have no problem with him taking advantage of the opportunity as long as it doesn't become too egregious. (Though I'm also a pretty big Kirby nerd, so that probably does increase my tolerance a bit. However, I will say that all of the nods in Ultimate, particularly on the Japanese side, are laying it on a bit thick,even if they are really interesting bits of trivia.)
(Also, I'm not 100% sure on the Japanese side, but the bias comments are almost certainly more common on the Western side of discussion, in part because Kirby isn't as big here because of the "cute" stigma it has. Magolor/Taranza/Susie/etc. could get in and people would still call it bias, even thought he had nothing to do with them. It's just ignorance, and unfortunately there isn't much that can be done to change it.)
Also, I shouldn't have to say this, but I feel the need to now:
If Bandana Dee doesn't make playable (which has always been a very real possibility), please don't get too upset at Mr. Sakurai. I know that Kirby fans aren't always as calm as people believe, but I also know that we should be better than that. He's already going to be dealing with enough entitled fans as it is with that last Direct. We don't need to add more fuel to the fire.
Oh, and there's finally some clearer footage of Meta Knight's new FS. (Too bad it's cropped and a bit blurry.)
Gotta' admit, I don't like that the direction can be reversed on the final hit. It makes sense from a gameplay perspective, of course, but I like that you can see his wings better on the end twirl when hitting to the left as opposed to the right.Yes, my priorities are weird.
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Waddle Dee riding a boar or holding a parasol could easily be that spirit's evolution. Wait in a month's time. If Bandanna Dee is missing among the spirits, then he is as good as confirmed as DLC (the same goes for Elma).Waddle Doo is his own bottom level Spirit. I know some people were hoping that he'd be an evolution for the Waddle Dee one. Ruh-Roh
So... in conclusion, it's:
Confirms that waddle dees can talk.
To be fair, that's been confirmed since Super Star.Confirms that waddle dees can talk.
True....
PsySmasher
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He was talking since Ultra, He even sings "The Apple Juice Song".Confirms that waddle dees can talk.
I know, but some people seem to forget that, which further emphasizes the "generic enemy" argument.
Mogisthelioma
Oh, I'd underestimate Nintendo characters for dlc without even knowing leaks just from how they did Smash 4. but in this case, a lot of 3rd parties seems to be covered in the same via spirits.
ジャマハローア…。
— 星のカービィ (@Kirby_JP) November 5, 2018
この広い銀河には、この次元とは違う、
別次元へと繋がる「穴」があるとか…。
ワタクシも一度、その話を聞いた事がありますが…
そんなもの、本当にあるのかしら…？#星のカービィスターアライズ pic.twitter.com/lpa7D1Jo8w
Oh now this is interesting...
That's one of the enemies Kirby fights later in the game, her name is Francisca.
That's Francisca, one of the three Jambastian Mages. She's a general of the main antagonist's army
Thanks! I haven't met her yet. Now that I finally have a Switch of my own I'm looking forward to beating this game.
That's great! Hope you enjoy it. And with most of the Dream Friends already available, you'll enjoy it even more and have your dream team. I literally made the 64 team myself. It's still hard to believe that I can play as Adeleine, Gooey and even Marx! Truly the best timeline we're in
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