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Ban metaknight!

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AntiPyroShyGuy

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My opinion on this matter is that some should be applied whether they are soft or full. I really don't think most of you shouldn't say MK shouldn't have any kind of ban because it's safe to assume that almost none of you go to offline tourneys. If you ever went and seen how many people used MK and Snake you'd be appalled because about 80% or more of the people who attend use these characters.

And out of the majority of the people using them at tourneys and MK winning much more than Snake. It's ridiculous how no other character is developing in their metagame, possible advanced techs and just in general because of this. Sure if MK gets banned the use of Snake, D3 and Wario are going to be much heavier but they actually have some characters that have the advantage over them.

But I notice that MK users always call people scrubs who are for this action or anyone who doesn't like to face MK and say that he's unbeatable. I'm not saying he isn't beatable, but if he's the one winning a ridiculous amount of tourneys then that's a real problem. This isn't like Melee where you had a few characters that were able to win more often instead of two.

But in my eyes this is how this happens: There are a ridiculous amount of MK and Snake, the player gets tired of playing them and picks up one or both of them and either forgets about their main or doesn't even use them at tourneys anymore. Now that hurts the development of that character that they main because I'm sure that's happened to many people who start to main MK and Snake.

And for those of you that call people scrubs or trying to follow and agree with everyone else just because your too afraid to speak your mind on this issue even though your thinking the same exact thing that they are then your not helping this issue at all. It's also a sad fact that Brawl is a less balanced game than Melee and it was an attempt at balance.

What I propose is that MK either gets a soft ban or regular ban for a while just to see how things go and see how the metagame of other characters come out to be. I don't think that Snake deserves a regular ban since he's not so much better than all other characters but maybe a soft ban, I'm not for nor against that idea.

I am not whining by the way and I didn't lose any match to these users recently so don't jump to conclusions, these are my thoughts. if Brawl becomes a more interesting game without these characters I don't see any problem with them being gone. I for one would like to see Brawl grow more competitive than just seeing two characters win all these tourneys like this and no other character. Smash is a terrible game to waste and I'd hate to see this happen to Brawl to the point where tourneys aren't even worth going to anymore.
 

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You know what, let's ban all the Top and High tier chracters. No better yet, let's ban Final Destnation.

All I got to say is that Meta Knight is not unbeatable, he can be beat and you have to try hard to win if you want to win, or lose like a man/woman.
 

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If you want to ban metaknight...then just stop playing singles, I find doubles more enjoyable and MK is less of a threat there. Oh and fox was never banned in melee and he was ridiculously faster than mk will ever be...
 

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The thing is with Melee, a Fox, Falco, Marth, etc. could be beat by someone of the same skill using someone such as Ness or Roy (Teehee) for example. In Brawl, these really is no close comparison. Even a bad Metaknight player can out match a good Capt. Falcon or Ganondorf. Bash me and flame me to hell for all I care, but this is pretty much true in some cases and it's sad to see the newest installment of the Smash Franchise have such poor comparison to its predecessor. These are just my OPINIONS, sorry if you all take it as me stating it as fact. -.-
 

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I can 2-3 stock bad MKs with my Ike and I don't even use him a lot (I want to though :)).

People exaggerate his learning curve. He's easy, but he's not so easy that you should expect auto-victory within half an hour of practice (unless you happen to be really ****ing good with just about anyone like Hylian lol).

Btw Snapple, even if it's possible for a good Ness and Roy to take down the top tiers of Melee, it still takes excruciating amounts of work to do so, especially with Ness seeing as how he's one of the worst characters in that game.
 

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Take your trolling somewhere else.
Another pointless MK banning thread?!?!?!?
*Breaks into tears*

Pretty much sums up the situation at hand.

If anyone wants to argue that this is false, then go read some of the other, seemingly, thousands of MK banning threads. They pretty much sum up what the OP is trying to recycle.
 

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I didn't even have to read the first post of the thread and I still decided to argue the situation...harhar!
 

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Aug, right now, Meta Knight is considered super cheap and stuff because he has all these "broken" moves and other things that end up greatly outweighing the weaknesses. Yes, I will say that Meta Knight does have a freakish advantage over most of the brawl cast but he is not cheap enough to be banned. Until then, unless his metagame develops into something truly unstoppable, let him be.
 

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If Meta Knight is giving you so much trouble, handicap him in some way or ask your friends not to use him. But Meta Knight is perfectly acceptable for competetive play. Sure he is horribly unbalanced, but there is nothing stopping you from picking him yourself.
 

Eazy23

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characters who can fight metaknight

Metaknight
snake
d3
falco
gaw
marth
sheik/zelda
wario
Diddy kong
Donkey Kong
Olimar
Rob
Boss beats metaknights..HIGH level metaknights with mario and luigi
kirby
toonlink
lucario
Zss
Ike( metaknight can do no aerial on ikes sheild without being jabbed:) )
Probably more that I can not remember. If you disagree, say so, and I will fill you in.

Granted, if the metaknight is planking, aka camping the ledge hardcore, alot of the characters I mentioned lose tons of potential. I doubt that is the situation you have to deal with.

My advice to you, step it up. Stop doing the same dumb things, and tell your friends to stop doing the same dumb things. Metaknight doesnt **** every character as far as fighting goes, he is simply the best planker in the game. A metaknight who is smart, campy, and gay is very difficult to beat. but if your not dealing with a mk on that level, stop crying and step it up.
 

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characters who can fight metaknight

Metaknight
Ike( metaknight can do no aerial on ikes sheild without being jabbed:) )
Probably more that I can not remember. If you disagree, say so, and I will fill you in.

A metaknight who is gay is very difficult to beat if your not dealing with a mk on that level, stop crying and step it up.
That wins, and fixed for the lulz because Sonic held a gun to my head and made me d-*shot*.
 

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characters who can fight metaknight

Metaknight
snake
d3
falco
gaw
marth
sheik/zelda
wario
Diddy kong
Donkey Kong
Olimar
Rob
Boss beats metaknights..HIGH level metaknights with mario and luigi
kirby
toonlink
lucario
Zss
Ike( metaknight can do no aerial on ikes sheild without being jabbed:) )
Probably more that I can not remember. If you disagree, say so, and I will fill you in.

Granted, if the metaknight is planking, aka camping the ledge hardcore, alot of the characters I mentioned lose tons of potential. I doubt that is the situation you have to deal with.

My advice to you, step it up. Stop doing the same dumb things, and tell your friends to stop doing the same dumb things. Metaknight doesnt **** every character as far as fighting goes, he is simply the best planker in the game. A metaknight who is smart, campy, and gay is very difficult to beat. but if your not dealing with a mk on that level, stop crying and step it up.
Wow, your kidding me right? More than half of those characters can't even fight Meta Knight greatly...

Shiek/Zelda are easily gimped once racked up to high enough damage. Even though they have a projectile, these can be easily dodged and punished.

ZSS and Olimar have tether recoveries therefore losing to MK period since he has massive gimping skills.

Wario and Kirby have no range

Diddy Kong only is annoying at the beginning. Once you turn the banana's against him, it's fairly easy to win.

Ike is simply out sped. Even though his aerials have good range, what is the point if he can't even execute them without have 3 slash marks on him every time he tries?

Toon Link can't do much since his projectiles only do so much and that his sword is so short compared to MK's. I don't know where people get that Toon Link is good against MK cause you are wrong. This is one of TL's hardest matchups.
 

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Would banning meta-knight make brawl more fun to play competitively? Yeah, definitely.

Should we really actually ban meta-knight? Probably not, no. There are just too many reasonable arguments against it.
 

Roager

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If Meta Knight is giving you so much trouble, handicap him in some way or ask your friends not to use him. But Meta Knight is perfectly acceptable for competetive play. Sure he is horribly unbalanced, but there is nothing stopping you from picking him yourself.
NO! YOU FAIL AT THINKING!

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be seen as a troll or scrub, but seriously. There's nothing stopping me from picking MK. True, in the most technical sense, but since the OP is saying that there are just too many f*cking MKs at tourneys, picking MK is preaching ninviolence, while simultaneously b*tchslapping everyone in the vicinity. Nothing's stopping me from maining MK... except common sense.

And for the record, I don't support banning a character. But I also don't support MK. He's no fun. I don't hate all high/top tier characters, but MK just ruins it. Any match involving an MK is just so useless and boring. I actually mained MK for a while. It got boring. Why? All I had to do was stay alive long enough to get them off the edge, and then use my several jumps to hold them down there, letting me shuttleloop back up. Now I main Falcon and Ike. You can argue that Ike is a shallow character, but at least he's actually somewhat hard to play well with. I actually play Smash to enjoy myself. And I see no enjoyment in MK.

Short, sweet, simple, and some other word beginning in S: Don't ban him, but don't play him.
 

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Meta Knight can be taken down. Your just being a Whining Wendelyn. MK players can be stupid, no offense to any of you, of course. I just find that they are either completely new to MK, and can't do anything except spam B moves, which is easy for me to deal with after these 5 long weeks of meditating under a molten waterfall. Or they overestimate their characte/ability, and you just need to be patient and punish whenever possible. I do agree that is is annoying to compete in offline tournaments. Everyone uses top tiers, but he, whats new? I show up with my Ness, Jigglypuff, Ice Climbers and ZSS, and raise hell wherever possible. I just hope it eventually gets to a point where there are so many MK's that they haveall forgotten how to fight anybody but MK and Snake, at which point I will secure a major tournaments victory with Captain Falcon, via massive super flying Falcon PAWWWWNCH!! Just you wait.
 

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I don't have a problem with MK, but I main DK so.....

I mean, the guy counterpicks both Snake and MK so learn to use him.
 

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Reported the TC for posting yet another "ban MK" thread. I am so sick and tired of these threads and also individual posts that continue to cry for MK being axed. :(

MK won't be banned until there is absoultely overwhelming evidence he is the only viable character in tournament play.
 

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I stopped reading when the post suggested we ban Meta-Knight for being popular. I pretty much stopped reading after 25% of the inane BS.
 

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If Meta Knight is giving you so much trouble, handicap him in some way or ask your friends not to use him. But Meta Knight is perfectly acceptable for competetive play. Sure he is horribly unbalanced, but there is nothing stopping you from picking him yourself.
Posts like this (and the first 2 replies to this thread) are just embarrassing.

I come from an extensive competitive gaming background; I've won over $1000 just from playing games. Compared to most pros that isn't a lot, but I know what I'm talking about when it comes to competitive games.

Just because something's broken, you can't justify it by saying "well then just play the broken character/use the broken tactic/abuse the broken glitches/etc". That's ********.

If you guys don't want Brawl to die, Meta Knight needs to be at least LIMITED in some way, at least until the development of other characters gets to a similar level, if that ever happens.

And yes, we can all 3 stock scrubby MKs. That means nothing, and stating it like it means anything just makes you look like a douche.
 

chaos_

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My opinion on this matter is that some should be applied whether they are soft or full. I really don't think most of you shouldn't say MK shouldn't have any kind of ban because it's safe to assume that almost none of you go to offline tourneys. If you ever went and seen how many people used MK and Snake you'd be appalled because about 80% or more of the people who attend use these characters.

And out of the majority of the people using them at tourneys and MK winning much more than Snake. It's ridiculous how no other character is developing in their metagame, possible advanced techs and just in general because of this. Sure if MK gets banned the use of Snake, D3 and Wario are going to be much heavier but they actually have some characters that have the advantage over them.

But I notice that MK users always call people scrubs who are for this action or anyone who doesn't like to face MK and say that he's unbeatable. I'm not saying he isn't beatable, but if he's the one winning a ridiculous amount of tourneys then that's a real problem. This isn't like Melee where you had a few characters that were able to win more often instead of two.

But in my eyes this is how this happens: There are a ridiculous amount of MK and Snake, the player gets tired of playing them and picks up one or both of them and either forgets about their main or doesn't even use them at tourneys anymore. Now that hurts the development of that character that they main because I'm sure that's happened to many people who start to main MK and Snake.

And for those of you that call people scrubs or trying to follow and agree with everyone else just because your too afraid to speak your mind on this issue even though your thinking the same exact thing that they are then your not helping this issue at all. It's also a sad fact that Brawl is a less balanced game than Melee and it was an attempt at balance.

What I propose is that MK either gets a soft ban or regular ban for a while just to see how things go and see how the metagame of other characters come out to be. I don't think that Snake deserves a regular ban since he's not so much better than all other characters but maybe a soft ban, I'm not for nor against that idea.

I am not whining by the way and I didn't lose any match to these users recently so don't jump to conclusions, these are my thoughts. if Brawl becomes a more interesting game without these characters I don't see any problem with them being gone. I for one would like to see Brawl grow more competitive than just seeing two characters win all these tourneys like this and no other character. Smash is a terrible game to waste and I'd hate to see this happen to Brawl to the point where tourneys aren't even worth going to anymore.
omg why bother with this so many people make this thread hes not going to get banned
 

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So how many of these 'Ban Metaknight' threads are actually on these boards? I'm very much surprised this one hasn't been locked, trashed, and hauled out by now.
 

chaos_

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So how many of these 'Ban Metaknight' threads are actually on these boards? I'm very much surprised this one hasn't been locked, trashed, and hauled out by now.
yeah all i see is metaknight and banned in every topic
 

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yeah all i see is metaknight and banned in every topic
I don't even play Brawl anymore and seeing all this 'Metanite shuld b b4nnd!!' gets VERY tiring after awhile. I know, most would say, "Then if it bothers you so much, don't come to our boards!". I come here because I want to get a greater aspect of all types of smashers even through I spend most of my time in the Melee Boards. I'm just being a Smash Citizen and partaking in daily events.
 

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It's a bad thing melee didn't have metaknight because then people actually could crush him
 

OmegaXF

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How the **** do you plan on BANNING A ****ING CHARACTER!?!?!?
Don't give me the MK is Akuma Over powered.....No
Let that ***** be for the love of god. Wherever you go to your tournys thats nice because there are people all around the world who use different characters. To ban MK that is ****ing ridiculous. Shame on you to the highest power. God this was a useless thread!!!
 
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